Obama administration unveils controversial emissions cap on power plants

[rushmc 23]

you still support the AWG lie
Nice

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

For someone who criticizes the government for obfuscating data, Steven Goddard really needs to clean up his own house. I'm genuinely interested in his work, but it's all just presented with little animated graphs, with no explanation about his methods or sources. It's very hard to determine what he's actually doing.

- Dan G

[Amazon 7]

rushmc

you still support the AWG lie
Nice

As a scientist that has observed great changes in the arctic and the high mountains in the last 40 years.... I have seen plenty of things that any reasonable person would deem as a change to our world.

I embrace that change because it will take intelligent people to survive what is coming.

I am sure if you had a clear view for once in your life.. you too might see what is happening to your tiny little corn patch.

What do you think will be the name that will be used when all the people of the upper great plains living in the new American Dust Bowl and trying to escape the new desert as they are running to the coasts this time??

[rushmc 23]

Amazon

***you still support the AWG lie
Nice

As a scientist that has observed great changes in the arctic and the high mountains in the last 40 years.... I have seen plenty of things that any reasonable person would deem as a change to our world.

I embrace that change because it will take intelligent people to survive what is coming.

I am sure if you had a clear view for once in your life.. you too might see what is happening to your tiny little corn patch.

What do you think will be the name that will be used when all the people of the upper great plains living in the new American Dust Bowl and trying to escape the new desert as they are running to the coasts this time??

Now you are just being funny

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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As Hansen himself said in a 1989 report:


In the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases — in fact, there was a slight cooling throughout much of the country.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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But as Goddard notes, the Environmental Protection Agency's heatwave record makes a mockery of these adjustments. It quite clearly shows that the US heat waves of the 1930s were of an order of magnitude greater than anything experienced at any other time during the century - far more severe than those in the 1980s or 1990s which were no worse than those in the 1950s.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/

Just in case you ask.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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In the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases — in fact, there was a slight cooling throughout much of the country.

I wonder why Goddard only quotes a sentence about temperatures in the US. Does Hansen say the same thing about world temperatures in that 1989 report?

No, he doesn't. In fact, he says:

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Global temperature, in contrast, had passed 1930s values by 1980 and the world has warmed at a remarkable rate over the last 25 years.

Goddard just lost all credibility with me. Cherry picking sentences to make a point while leaving out the gist of a paragraph is intellectual dishonestly at its height.

P.S. thanks for the link.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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In the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases — in fact, there was a slight cooling throughout much of the country.

I wonder why Goddard only quotes a sentence about temperatures in the US. Does Hansen say the same thing about world temperatures in that 1989 report?

No, he doesn't. In fact, he says:

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Global temperature, in contrast, had passed 1930s values by 1980 and the world has warmed at a remarkable rate over the last 25 years.

Goddard just lost all credibility with me. Cherry picking sentences to make a point while leaving out the gist of a paragraph is intellectual dishonestly at its height.

P.S. thanks for the link.

I think you are the one doing the cherry picking
BTW
Goddard did not say anything about Hansen
That came in another report

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

At least some countries are recognizing the lie that is AGW

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_AUSTRALIA_CLIMATE_CHANGE?SITE=MYPSP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-06-23-01-12-16

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CANBERRA, Australia (AP) -- Prime Minister Tony Abbott reintroduced legislation to the Australian Parliament on Monday that would repeal a carbon tax that the nation's worst greenhouse gas polluters have to pay.

The opposition center-left Labor Party and minor Greens party used their Senate majority in March to block the bills that would remove the 24.15 Australian dollar ($22.79) tax per metric ton of carbon dioxide that was introduced by a Labor government in July 2012. The bills were defeated 33 votes to 29.

But with new senators to take their seats on July 7 for the first time since Abbott's conservative coalition government took power in an election in September, the bills are expected to be passed by a narrow margin. Coal mining magnate and carbon tax critic Clive Palmer leads four new senators who have promised their allegiance to his influential Palmer United Party.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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I think you are the one doing the cherry picking

Did you read what I wrote? Did you read the report you quoted and Goddard used as evidence that Hansen and NOAA/NASA are changing their story?

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Goddard did not say anything about Hansen

Sure he did:

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/noaanasa-dramatically-altered-us-temperatures-after-the-year-2000/

- Dan G

[Amazon 7]

rushmc

At least some countries are recognizing the lie that is AGW

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_AUSTRALIA_CLIMATE_CHANGE?SITE=MYPSP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-06-23-01-12-16

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CANBERRA, Australia (AP) -- Prime Minister Tony Abbott reintroduced legislation to the Australian Parliament on Monday that would repeal a carbon tax that the nation's worst greenhouse gas polluters have to pay.

The opposition center-left Labor Party and minor Greens party used their Senate majority in March to block the bills that would remove the 24.15 Australian dollar ($22.79) tax per metric ton of carbon dioxide that was introduced by a Labor government in July 2012. The bills were defeated 33 votes to 29.

But with new senators to take their seats on July 7 for the first time since Abbott's conservative coalition government took power in an election in September, the bills are expected to be passed by a narrow margin. Coal mining magnate and carbon tax critic Clive Palmer leads four new senators who have promised their allegiance to his influential Palmer United Party.

Soooooo

OZ has lot of sand for their conservatives to bury their heads in.

Just what is it Conservatives have ever tried "conserving" again??

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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I think you are the one doing the cherry picking

Did you read what I wrote? Did you read the report you quoted and Goddard used as evidence that Hansen and NOAA/NASA are changing their story?

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Goddard did not say anything about Hansen

Sure he did:

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/noaanasa-dramatically-altered-us-temperatures-after-the-year-2000/

Well I pulled it (the Hansen quote) from a NOAA sight

Gaddard use the raw data and compared it to the published date

NOAA manipulated data to suit thier purpose

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

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I think you are the one doing the cherry picking

Did you read what I wrote? Did you read the report you quoted and Goddard used as evidence that Hansen and NOAA/NASA are changing their story?

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Goddard did not say anything about Hansen

Sure he did:

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/noaanasa-dramatically-altered-us-temperatures-after-the-year-2000/

Well I pulled it (the Hansen quote) from a NOAA sight

Gaddard use the raw data and compared it to the published date

NOAA manipulated data to suit thier purpose

LOL

Hey, I just found some data that says smoking is good for you. Thought you might be interested.

Only in the US could you be an honour student.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

******

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I think you are the one doing the cherry picking

Did you read what I wrote? Did you read the report you quoted and Goddard used as evidence that Hansen and NOAA/NASA are changing their story?

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Goddard did not say anything about Hansen

Sure he did:

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/noaanasa-dramatically-altered-us-temperatures-after-the-year-2000/

Well I pulled it (the Hansen quote) from a NOAA sight

Gaddard use the raw data and compared it to the published date

NOAA manipulated data to suit thier purpose

LOL

Hey, I just found some data that says smoking is good for you. Thought you might be interested.

Only in the US could you be an honour student.

Awww
another veiled PA
but, when thats all you got.......

such a nice boy

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Well I pulled it (the Hansen quote) from a NOAA sight

So did Goddard. Apparently both of you stopped reading when you saw a sentence that looked like it supported your position. Go back and read the whole report and let me know if you still feel the same way about Hansen changing his story from 1989.

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Gaddard use the raw data and compared it to the published date

NOAA manipulated data to suit thier purpose

Maybe he did, and maybe he didn't. He doesn't explain what he did, how he did it, or give any details of the results. It can't be reviewed for errors or caveats. I thought that's the sort of thing that he was against.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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Well I pulled it (the Hansen quote) from a NOAA sight

So did Goddard. Apparently both of you stopped reading when you saw a sentence that looked like it supported your position. Go back and read the whole report and let me know if you still feel the same way about Hansen changing his story from 1989.

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Gaddard use the raw data and compared it to the published date

NOAA manipulated data to suit thier purpose

Maybe he did, and maybe he didn't. He doesn't explain what he did, how he did it, or give any details of the results. It can't be reviewed for errors or caveats. I thought that's the sort of thing that he was against.

Hansen is an alarmist dork
Always had been but, because he is an AWG high priest, he hightly placed by that crowd

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Hansen is an alarmist dork
Always had been but, because he is an AWG high priest, he hightly placed by that crowd

Maybe he is.

That's got nothing to do with Goddard's dishonesty. From a cursory review of Goddard's blog, I conclude he is just as much a denier dork as Hansen is an alarmist dork.

Care to respond to my earlier request about reading the whole 1989 Hansen report and seeing if you still think he's changed his story?

- Dan G

[normiss 900]

WTF was I thinking trying to keep this lunatic discussion on topic.

fucking insane

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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Hansen is an alarmist dork
Always had been but, because he is an AWG high priest, he hightly placed by that crowd

Maybe he is.

That's got nothing to do with Goddard's dishonesty. From a cursory review of Goddard's blog, I conclude he is just as much a denier dork as Hansen is an alarmist dork.

Care to respond to my earlier request about reading the whole 1989 Hansen report and seeing if you still think he's changed his story?

In the end my post was not about Hansen or him changing his story. He is a dick so fuck him
But I do care about gov departments changing data to move political idology that advances the lie that is the religion of AWG

And this is by FAR the first time NOAA or others have been caught changing the data to try and support this farse.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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But I do care about gov departments changing data to move political idology that advances the lie that is the religion of AWG

And this is by FAR the first time NOAA or others have been caught changing the data to try and support this farse.......

The only evidence you're shown that NOAA has changed it's data is from a guy who lies about other things. The side story about Hansen is important because it shows Goddard will lie to make his point. How do you know he isn't lying (or at least being misleading) about his claims of NOAA changing their data?

- Dan G

[billvon 3,121]

>If you were not referencing a lie you might have a point

If you had been in LA in the 1970's (or Donora in the 1940's) you'd know what the point was.

>He is a dick so fuck him

A cogent summary of your thought processes concerning most topics here.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>If you were not referencing a lie you might have a point

If you had been in LA in the 1970's (or Donora in the 1940's) you'd know what the point was.

If there was a point I would have seen it
But this so called point is prefaced on a lie

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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But I do care about gov departments changing data to move political idology that advances the lie that is the religion of AWG

And this is by FAR the first time NOAA or others have been caught changing the data to try and support this farse.......

The only evidence you're shown that NOAA has changed it's data is from a guy who lies about other things. The side story about Hansen is important because it shows Goddard will lie to make his point. How do you know he isn't lying (or at least being misleading) about his claims of NOAA changing their data?

And how do you know
I DO know that NOAA has been caught along with other alarmists manipulating data

Sorry, I know it is troubling when a religion is attacked
(uless of course it is Christianity)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,121]

>If there was a point I would have seen it

So you weren't in LA in the 1970's. No wonder you don't understand.