Obama administration unveils controversial emissions cap on power plants

[airdvr 210]

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/obama-to-announce-rule-to-limit-emissions-from-fossil-burning-plants-part-his/

The draft regulation sidesteps Congress, where Obama's Democratic allies have failed to pass a so-called "cap-and-trade" plan to limit such emissions. The EPA plan will go into effect in June 2016, following a one-year comment period. States will then be responsible for executing the rule with some flexibility.

The fear and loathing continues as the King of America once again legislates from the oval office.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[rushmc 23]

airdvr

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/obama-to-announce-rule-to-limit-emissions-from-fossil-burning-plants-part-his/

The draft regulation sidesteps Congress, where Obama's Democratic allies have failed to pass a so-called "cap-and-trade" plan to limit such emissions. The EPA plan will go into effect in June 2016, following a one-year comment period. States will then be responsible for executing the rule with some flexibility.

The fear and loathing continues as the King of America once again legislates from the oval office.

Electric rates may very well double if this is allowed to stand
And all for a hoax

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,121]

Good! Finally, an adult in the room is actually dealing with our problems instead of ignoring them, denying them and blaming other people for them. (Often all at the same time.)

[kallend 2,156]

rushmc

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/obama-to-announce-rule-to-limit-emissions-from-fossil-burning-plants-part-his/

The draft regulation sidesteps Congress, where Obama's Democratic allies have failed to pass a so-called "cap-and-trade" plan to limit such emissions. The EPA plan will go into effect in June 2016, following a one-year comment period. States will then be responsible for executing the rule with some flexibility.

The fear and loathing continues as the King of America once again legislates from the oval office.

Electric rates may very well double if this is allowed to stand
And all for a hoax

Doesn't the company YOU work for admit to spewing some 30 MILLION tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year?

'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[turtlespeed 226]

kallend

'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

Even harder when he refuses to take any other stance.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rushmc 23]

kallend

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/obama-to-announce-rule-to-limit-emissions-from-fossil-burning-plants-part-his/

The draft regulation sidesteps Congress, where Obama's Democratic allies have failed to pass a so-called "cap-and-trade" plan to limit such emissions. The EPA plan will go into effect in June 2016, following a one-year comment period. States will then be responsible for executing the rule with some flexibility.

The fear and loathing continues as the King of America once again legislates from the oval office.

Electric rates may very well double if this is allowed to stand
And all for a hoax

Doesn't the company YOU work for admit to spewing some 30 MILLION tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year?

'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

MEH

same crap n lie you use every time (just to avoid an issue)

I will have a job regarless of the cost of generation

Cause the cry baby enviros will still want their air conditioning


You will most likely lead the bitching when your energy costs double or triple. But then you will blame evil big electricity

Same song, different verse


and of course I want my grandchildern to choke on dirty air and puke dirty water

I am just that way you know....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

turtlespeed

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'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

Even harder when he refuses to take any other stance.

they are desperated

In the end I think congress with shut this bs down
As more science comes out this lie becomes more and more exposed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[mirage62 0]

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Good! Finally, an adult in the room is actually dealing with our problems instead of ignoring them, denying them and blaming other people for them. (Often all at the same time.)

Bill, I know you believe this to be a good idea - perhaps in itself it is but don't you worry just a little for when the next BUSH gets elected?? It will happen. For now this seems ok, but what about when the next guy on the otherside goes around Congress and gets done what HE wants. What if it's something you really hate?

Checks and balances work both ways. I don't believe we want to get ride of it.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[rushmc 23]

billvon

Good! Finally, an adult in the room is actually dealing with our problems instead of ignoring them, denying them and blaming other people for them. (Often all at the same time.)

No adult action here Bill
This is a child throwing a temper tantrum to try and get his way
The adults will handle this in the end
but I see you support activities around congress
You have now given up your right to bitch when the other side tries this same crap

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,121]

>Checks and balances work both ways. I don't believe we want to get ride of it.

Agreed. And in this case, Congress voted to pass the Clean Air Act and the US Supreme Court verified that it applies to CO2. All three branches worked together to get this passed.

Now, if Congress has changed its mind they are free to pass a new law changing how the Clean Air Act works.

[billvon 3,121]

>This is a child throwing a temper tantrum to try and get his way

Children make messes and don't want to clean them up. They blame their sister. They say they didn't do it. They say there is no mess. They say it's unfair because Johnny didn't have to clean up HIS mess.

Adults clean up their messes.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>This is a child throwing a temper tantrum to try and get his way

Children make messes and don't want to clean them up. They blame their sister. They say they didn't do it. They say there is no mess. They say it's unfair because Johnny didn't have to clean up HIS mess.

Adults clean up their messes.

Yep
And congress will have to clean up this one (thiers)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,121]

>And congress will have to clean up this one (thiers)

Via the Clean Air Act, the Supreme Court decision on it and the EPA's action - they are starting to do that (fortunately.)

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>And congress will have to clean up this one (thiers)

Via the Clean Air Act, the Supreme Court decision on it and the EPA's action - they are starting to do that (fortunately.)

Ah
the court said the EPA has the power
It did NOT say CO2 was a polutant
The EPA is running rouge like many over sized dept in the federal gov
These rules cost so much money and cure nothing so, congress will fix it by killing the implimentation of these rules at the very least
and THAT will be a good thing

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

billvon

>This is a child throwing a temper tantrum to try and get his way

Children make messes and don't want to clean them up. They blame their sister. They say they didn't do it. They say there is no mess. They say it's unfair because Johnny didn't have to clean up HIS mess.

Adults clean up their messes.

No Adult Taxpayers are the ones who usually get to spend the big bucks to clean up all those superfund sites that the corporations made with their "we only drive profits from doing business and not clean up expenses " mentality. Extractive entities have usually been exceedingly profitable... and yet left behind exceedingly polluted sites in their wake when the people behind that corporation cut and run.

[billvon 3,121]

>the court said the EPA has the power . . .It did NOT say CO2 was a polutant

It said the EPA could regulate CO2 as a pollutant.

>These rules cost so much money and cure nothing so, congress will fix it by killing
>the implimentation of these rules at the very least

They don't have time to do anything like that. They are far too busy repealing Obamacare for the 71st time.

In the meantime, states are trying to pre-empt this law by passing their own limits on CO2 emissions. Good for them; the more adults. the better.

[kallend 2,156]

rushmc

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/obama-to-announce-rule-to-limit-emissions-from-fossil-burning-plants-part-his/

The draft regulation sidesteps Congress, where Obama's Democratic allies have failed to pass a so-called "cap-and-trade" plan to limit such emissions. The EPA plan will go into effect in June 2016, following a one-year comment period. States will then be responsible for executing the rule with some flexibility.

The fear and loathing continues as the King of America once again legislates from the oval office.

Electric rates may very well double if this is allowed to stand
And all for a hoax

Doesn't the company YOU work for admit to spewing some 30 MILLION tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year?

'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

MEH

same crap n lie you use every time (just to avoid an issue)

.

So if it's a lie, give us a link to a source that tells us just how much CO2 your company DOES spew into the atmosphere each year. Then I'll quote that figure instead.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,156]

airdvr

The fear and loathing continues as the King of America once again legislates from the oval office.

Executive Orders:

Ronald Reagan 381
George W. Bush 291
Barack Obama 168

Looks like the biggest legislators from the Oval Office in recent times have been your guys. Obama isn't even in the same league as Reagan.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[grue 1]

If uneducated NIMBY retards hadn't held us back this wouldn't really be much of an issue.

But hey, atoms are scary.

cavete terrae.

[mirage62 0]

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Congress voted to pass the clean air act....if congress changed there mind they are free to pass a new law...

Come on Bill, what happens under the same circumstances when a right wing president pushes something through w executive order and the Dems hold the house and the Rep hold the senate?

I understand that you support these actions so "you win" - this one. What happens when you lose the next one? To me this really isn't about Obama because the right will use this to.

Funny how we all, that have been posting here for some time, seem to have become more set in our positions.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[kallend 2,156]

Still waiting for you to tell us how many MILLIONS of TONS of CO2 your company spews into the atmosphere every year.

'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[tkhayes 348]

we have solutions ready to go to help ease the coal industry/electric monopoly. But your Republican boys are doing everything they can to block it.

It's OK, stand there with your mouth gaping open while the whole world passes you. Those that say it cannot be done are just starting to annoy those of us that are already doing it.

Energy costs money. pollution also costs money. healthcare related to pollution costs money. everything costs money.

[rushmc 23]

tkhayes

we have solutions ready to go to help ease the coal industry/electric monopoly. But your Republican boys are doing everything they can to block it.

It's OK, stand there with your mouth gaping open while the whole world passes you. Those that say it cannot be done are just starting to annoy those of us that are already doing it.

Energy costs money. pollution also costs money. healthcare related to pollution costs money. everything costs money.

So
you missed all those Democratic Senators taking about this?
or
are just ignoring them?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Oh

And CO2 is not polution

This whole thing is about control and money
Nothing else

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

kallend

Still waiting for you to tell us how many MILLIONS of TONS of CO2 your company spews into the atmosphere every year.

'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

Put down the shovel and back away

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln