quade 4 #1 May 29, 2014 Whether you think what he did was right or wrong, you owe it to yourself to look at this. http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/exclusive-edward-snowden-tells-brian-williams-i-was-trained-spy-n115746 Link is to a web site with clips from last nights show. I'm fairly certain there will be more as time goes by as well. I like Brian Williams. As reporter/anchors go, I think he's pretty sharp and generally fair. Looking at the interview, I thought Snowden seemed pretty earnest. It's also fairly obvious he's an incredibly sharp guy who knows precisely what was at stake and precisely what he was doing.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #3 May 29, 2014 quadeWhether you think what he did was right or wrong, you owe it to yourself to look at this. http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/exclusive-edward-snowden-tells-brian-williams-i-was-trained-spy-n115746 Link is to a web site with clips from last nights show. I'm fairly certain there will be more as time goes by as well. I like Brian Williams. As reporter/anchors go, I think he's pretty sharp and generally fair. Looking at the interview, I thought Snowden seemed pretty earnest. It's also fairly obvious he's an incredibly sharp guy who knows precisely what was at stake and precisely what he was doing. I really disliked this guy until the recent "Frontline", and now combined with the interview last night, I'm pretty sure that this guys going to end up on the right side of history. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #4 May 29, 2014 I get the impression he acted in retribution for what he disagreed with the government. Don't most narcissists think they're the smartest person in the room. In his case in the country. He never had enough information to make the decisions he felt entitled to make. I like where he says he put no one at risk....yet admits to stealing military secrets. He's lying in the interview. Won't admit to being on the same level of those making the decisions.....yet kicks their door in and steals their information and runs. I have no respect for this guy. At all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xsniper 1 #5 May 29, 2014 normissI get the impression he acted in retribution for what he disagreed with the government. Don't most narcissists think they're the smartest person in the room. In his case in the country. He never had enough information to make the decisions he felt entitled to make. I like where he says he put no one at risk....yet admits to stealing military secrets. He's lying in the interview. Won't admit to being on the same level of those making the decisions.....yet kicks their door in and steals their information and runs. I have no respect for this guy. At all. Gotta agree here. Seemed arrogant, calculated and definantly thinks he is much smarter than everyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 May 29, 2014 normissI get the impression he acted in retribution for what he disagreed with the government. Doesn't that describe every whistle blower regardless of whether they are right or wrong? I'm not sure that make him a narcissist. QuoteHe never had enough information to make the decisions he felt entitled to make. How do you know that? How would that even be vaguely knowable by anyone on the outside such as us?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #7 May 29, 2014 just a couple of points here. 1st, he's not a narcissist. 2d, he's not lying in the interview most of the time, there are a couple of times he is dodging and hiding things, but the important parts are true. and he did send emails to try to report things that should not have happened, there is a paper trail. 3d, he didn't put anyone at risk. none of the information published has done any harm to any ongoing investigations or confidential informants. i hope that i would have had the same level of integrity had i been in his shoes. he is a true hero in every sense of the word._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,468 #8 May 29, 2014 Hi 13, Perfect!!!! At the end of the day I hope he gets the respect that Ellsberg now gets. Anyone remember what the Nixon admin. had to say about Ellsberg? Does it sound familiar? JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #9 May 29, 2014 Better quality full interview http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/watch-primetime-special-inside-mind-edward-snowden-n117126Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #10 May 30, 2014 We watched the interview last night. 1. Why the intelligence gathering programs were implemented makes perfect sense. 2. Why the BHO administration kept them in place makes even more sense. 3. IMO, the programs will be given a cover of deactivation but will be layered with greater, more effective security. 4. The liberties in our society are rapidly decreasing. (IMO, Libertarians must gain control of the Senate to reverse the process.) 5. I have repented in my opinion of Snowden and agree that he will end up on the right side of history. However, I believe the USG will make him pay, dearly. So much for a college education in present times. Ed Snowden is a high school dropout. He washed out of ARMY basic training with two broken legs. What level of bad luck caused that? Then in a record short time, he lands a high level position in the US intelligence community as an analyst. Talk about innate appitude and personal intelligence, his IQ must be off the chart. Snowden's body language and articulation indicated self confidence and expertise.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #11 May 30, 2014 correct about the body language, he is obviously very intelligent. and he didn't wash out of army basic training, he washed out of special forces training (probably selection). big difference there._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #12 May 30, 2014 sfzombie13correct about the body language, he is obviously very intelligent. and he didn't wash out of army basic training, he washed out of special forces training (probably selection). big difference there. That statement was a bit confusing. He said he applied for SF training and then said he was medically discharged after two months because he broke both legs. Would he have been in AIT or SF training after two months? I know things have changed but, I thought you had to have some training and experience before you could even apply for SF.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #13 May 30, 2014 during that time, they actually took recruits into the 18x program straight off the streets. i didn't have any dealings with it personally, but was in the sf community at the time, and i recall being told about it. they did like a fast track, i believe. it was more intense than regular training, and did have a higher dropout rate. i had a choice when my unit activated to go to selection and into the pipeline, or go to war with my unit as the pac nco. i chose pac nco, then later injured myself training for selection, thus ruining my chances to get a tab. this is all hearsay i got years ago, not definitive, others may know more._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #14 May 31, 2014 sfzombie13during that time, they actually took recruits into the 18x program straight off the streets. i didn't have any dealings with it personally, but was in the sf community at the time, and i recall being told about it. they did like a fast track, i believe. it was more intense than regular training, and did have a higher dropout rate. i had a choice when my unit activated to go to selection and into the pipeline, or go to war with my unit as the pac nco. i chose pac nco, then later injured myself training for selection, thus ruining my chances to get a tab. this is all hearsay i got years ago, not definitive, others may know more. Thank you for your clarification.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #15 June 1, 2014 normissI get the impression he acted in retribution for what he disagreed with the government. Don't most narcissists think they're the smartest person in the room. In his case in the country. He never had enough information to make the decisions he felt entitled to make. I like where he says he put no one at risk....yet admits to stealing military secrets. He's lying in the interview. Won't admit to being on the same level of those making the decisions.....yet kicks their door in and steals their information and runs. I have no respect for this guy. At all. Ya, you probably would consider him a coward for not coming back home and facing "justice" Perhaps you wouldn't mind if we all viewed your thought processes stored by the government to give us a better understanding of WTF you are thinking?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites