rushmc 23 #1 May 15, 2014 QuoteThis list includes the organizations that have historically qualified as "heavy hitters" — groups that lobby and spend big, with large sums sent to candidates, parties and leadership PACs. Individuals and organizations have been able to make extremely large donations to outside spending groups in the last few years. While contributions to outside groups like super PACs do not factor into an organization's designation as a "heavy hitter" (a listing of about 150 groups), those numbers are included for the roster below Koch Industries comes in at #59 Take a look at who the top ten are Wow https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 May 15, 2014 rushmcQuoteThis list includes the organizations that have historically qualified as "heavy hitters" — groups that lobby and spend big, with large sums sent to candidates, parties and leadership PACs. Individuals and organizations have been able to make extremely large donations to outside spending groups in the last few years. While contributions to outside groups like super PACs do not factor into an organization's designation as a "heavy hitter" (a listing of about 150 groups), those numbers are included for the roster below Koch Industries comes in at #59 Take a look at who the top ten are Wow https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php And then as Paul Harvey used to say...... This list includes the organizations that have historically qualified as "heavy hitters" — groups that lobby and spend big, with large sums sent to candidates, parties and leadership PACs. Individuals and organizations have been able to make extremely large donations to outside spending groups in the last few years. While contributions to outside groups like super PACs do not factor into an organization's designation as a "heavy hitter" (a listing of about 150 groups), those numbers are included for the roster below. For example, this list does not include casino magnate Sheldon Adelson. He and his wife Miriam donated nearly $93 million in 2012 alone to conservative super PACs — enough to put him at No. 2 on this list. Similarly, the list excludes former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg, who has donated more than $19 million in the past two years, largely to groups that support gun control. Neither Adelson nor Bloomberg — or the organizations they report as their employers — qualifies as a "heavy hitter" under our current definition. It's also important to note that we aren't including donations to politically active dark money groups, like Americans for Prosperity, a group linked to the Koch brothers, or the liberal group Patriot Majority — because these groups hide their donors; see a list of top donors that we've been able to identify to such groups. We are working to revise this list to take into account the new realities of campaign finance created by the Citizens United decision, but as it currently stands, there are significant omissions.( Gee ya think) It is also worth noting that certain organizations, such as ActBlue and Club for Growth, are included although they function for the most part as pass-through entities: individual donors give to them with the contributions earmarked for specific candidates. Unless you include the Dark Money... ... well you know Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 May 15, 2014 Amazon***QuoteThis list includes the organizations that have historically qualified as "heavy hitters" — groups that lobby and spend big, with large sums sent to candidates, parties and leadership PACs. Individuals and organizations have been able to make extremely large donations to outside spending groups in the last few years. While contributions to outside groups like super PACs do not factor into an organization's designation as a "heavy hitter" (a listing of about 150 groups), those numbers are included for the roster below Koch Industries comes in at #59 Take a look at who the top ten are Wow https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php And then as Paul Harvey used to say...... This list includes the organizations that have historically qualified as "heavy hitters" — groups that lobby and spend big, with large sums sent to candidates, parties and leadership PACs. Individuals and organizations have been able to make extremely large donations to outside spending groups in the last few years. While contributions to outside groups like super PACs do not factor into an organization's designation as a "heavy hitter" (a listing of about 150 groups), those numbers are included for the roster below. For example, this list does not include casino magnate Sheldon Adelson. He and his wife Miriam donated nearly $93 million in 2012 alone to conservative super PACs — enough to put him at No. 2 on this list. Similarly, the list excludes former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg, who has donated more than $19 million in the past two years, largely to groups that support gun control. Neither Adelson nor Bloomberg — or the organizations they report as their employers — qualifies as a "heavy hitter" under our current definition. It's also important to note that we aren't including donations to politically active dark money groups, like Americans for Prosperity, a group linked to the Koch brothers, or the liberal group Patriot Majority — because these groups hide their donors; see a list of top donors that we've been able to identify to such groups. We are working to revise this list to take into account the new realities of campaign finance created by the Citizens United decision, but as it currently stands, there are significant omissions.( Gee ya think) It is also worth noting that certain organizations, such as ActBlue and Club for Growth, are included although they function for the most part as pass-through entities: individual donors give to them with the contributions earmarked for specific candidates. Unless you include the Dark Money... ... well you know So according to YOUR post, the unknowns appear somewhat ballanced so UNIONS are by far the biggest donors and they by far support Democratic canidates Thanks for helping"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #4 May 15, 2014 I guess that works in some twisted alternate reality that the feral GOP conservatives are trying to feed to their flocks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 May 15, 2014 AmazonI guess that works in some twisted alternate reality that the feral GOP conservatives are trying to feed to their flocks. when you exit that reality you can let us all know....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #6 May 15, 2014 rushmc So according to YOUR post, the unknowns appear somewhat ballanced so UNIONS are by far the biggest donors and they by far support Democratic canidates Thanks for helping So this is the best response you have to Amazon's complete dismembering of your post? That had to hurt. Even taken at face value, your argument is pretty sad - millions of union members contribute more than 2 brothers (outside of their primary funding mechanisms) did? Shocking! Wouldn't it be far more so if one person like Sheldon were #2 even measured against millions? Oh wait, that's the actual reality. The moral as always - read your citations carefully before trying to use them as arguments here. Because if you misrepresent them, you will get called out on the carpet for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #7 May 15, 2014 kelpdiver*** So according to YOUR post, the unknowns appear somewhat ballanced so UNIONS are by far the biggest donors and they by far support Democratic canidates Thanks for helping So this is the best response you have to Amazon's complete dismembering of your post? That had to hurt. Even taken at face value, your argument is pretty sad - millions of union members contribute more than 2 brothers (outside of their primary funding mechanisms) did? Shocking! Wouldn't it be far more so if one person like Sheldon were #2 even measured against millions? Oh wait, that's the actual reality. The moral as always - read your citations carefully before trying to use them as arguments here. Because if you misrepresent them, you will get called out on the carpet for it. I did read it I posted the link as I always do I understant what they say is still missing but the missing is not just one sided is it? Anyway the unions are still the biggest orgs donating money by far And no, I did not get hurt And the Koch brothers are not the only individuals donating money But the Buffets of the world are not evil because they are democrats Next"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #8 May 15, 2014 next is right. if yolu honestly believe this crap, then you are the problem, not part of it, but all of it. i will go a little further: anyone who still talks and thinks in terms of republicans and democrats, left or right, are the problem there is no left or right, there are just different branches of the same tree. there were no siginificant changes from now and when the republicans were in the majority, or the presidency. the only things that change is the people complaining the loudest and about what. why don't you try coming up with something that can actually have a positive effect on the world, country, or state? put about half as much energy into this as you do in finding this crap and soon you will have some viable ideas which will work. not until we take the lobbyists out of politics will things get any better._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #9 May 15, 2014 Great post. Thanks. Because of what it's for, not what it's against. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #10 May 16, 2014 thanx. i have been trying to get people thinking like this for months now. i have an army buddy who i recently talked to, haven't heard from him in years until facebook recently. he's a tea bagger, i guess you could call me a libertarian, hard to classsify but definitely not a tea bagger. we agreed on almost everything we talked about regarding politics and policies. i can talk to almost anyone and get them to agree on what i try to say, because most of it is common sense, and it all comes down to a couple of things. like, don't mess with it if it's not yours, don't do it if it interferes with others, if it doesn't then leave them alone, we all have the same rights, etc. sometimes i do get a little carried away with it though. and it is really all of our fault for letting it get so bad._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #11 May 16, 2014 Deep down, most of us are alike; the politics of "branding" (i.e. divisiveness) doesn't want people to realize that, because it will make the ties a little looser. One thing that small towns are better at is getting people to talk to each other. With such a small selection, you kinda gotta talk to the next guy, even if you don't agree. Unfortunately, it's not quite the same now with the internet -- plenty of people replace actual relationships with finding like-minded people on the internet Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #12 May 16, 2014 sfzombie13next is right. if yolu honestly believe this crap, then you are the problem, not part of it, but all of it. i will go a little further: anyone who still talks and thinks in terms of republicans and democrats, left or right, are the problem there is no left or right, there are just different branches of the same tree. there were no siginificant changes from now and when the republicans were in the majority, or the presidency. the only things that change is the people complaining the loudest and about what. why don't you try coming up with something that can actually have a positive effect on the world, country, or state? put about half as much energy into this as you do in finding this crap and soon you will have some viable ideas which will work. not until we take the lobbyists out of politics will things get any better. I have been saying for years that both sides want the same thing The only difference is how we get there and who controls the money (determined by which side is in power) As for a positive I am still looking for your suggestion in your post"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #13 May 16, 2014 i don't know you, i don't live where you do. i asked you to come up with some ideas, but if you want at least one of mine, try this: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4634198;page=unread#unread_________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #14 May 16, 2014 sfzombie13i don't know you, i don't live where you do. i asked you to come up with some ideas, but if you want at least one of mine, try this: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4634198;page=unread#unread You want independence from coal? Look no further than the Province of Ontario. The Liberals have been in power there for more than a decade, and yes they closed down all of their coal power plants and went heavily into green energy schemes. What happened? Energy prices sky rocketed, businesses fled the province, and the per capita public debt is the worst of any jurisdiction in all of North America. http://www.debtclock.ca/provincial-debtclocks/ontario/ontario-s-debt/ Oh yes ... such a good example to live up to. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #15 May 16, 2014 CanuckInUSA***i don't know you, i don't live where you do. i asked you to come up with some ideas, but if you want at least one of mine, try this: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4634198;page=unread#unread You want independence from coal? Look no further than the Province of Ontario. The Liberals have been in power there for more than a decade, and yes they closed down all of their coal power plants and went heavily into green energy schemes. What happened? Energy prices sky rocketed, businesses fled the province, and the per capita public debt is the worst of any jurisdiction in all of North America. http://www.debtclock.ca/provincial-debtclocks/ontario/ontario-s-debt/ Oh yes ... such a good example to live up to. Oh crap! Should not had clicked on that. Says I owe more than $19,000.00 to Ontario. Check is in the mail."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #16 May 17, 2014 One of the top 10 things wrong with the American political system right there. Private donations/PAC's and all that shit should be illegal. Each candidate should get a set limit given to them by the government lets say 10 mil each, and that is all you have to run your campaign. If you cant do it with 10 mil in today's modern electronic era sorry. I'm tired of politicians being bought by private citizens, corps, and PAC's. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites