US Net Neutrality

[quade 4]

Yes, "they" are at it again.

Here's a great little explainer from Vi Hart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAxMyTwmu_M

I am all for free markets deciding quite a bit, but when companies have monopolies from historic deals, then somebody needs to step in to protect everybody from abuse.

Can anybody give me a good reason why the internet should not be classified as a common carrier?

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[normiss 897]

It never has been.
Pay more, get more.
Bandwidth, BGP peering, network advertisements and filtering, security, monitoring and alarming, support, speeds, metro-ethernet services, national ethernet services, QoS prioritization (required for VoIP and IPTV services).
The neutrality is a tricky issue honestly.
I can watch Showtime 6 different ways. Direct to their streaming is the best, but it's sometimes difficult to set up and authorize correctly. Streaming via my carrier sucks bollocks.

Joe's Computer Company has 3 locations, but can't afford the 1Gb service.
Akamai on the other hand....much like AT&T and other carriers CAN afford that line. Redundant ones with etherchannel for more throughput.

Wait...what's the problem again?
Just like everything else, you get what you pay for.

Google fiber...any guess what right of ways cost you to drop fiber in???? That's not monopolistic, it's a local access rights from municipalities.
Held back speeds?? No way. Our infrastructure is significantly older than the new markets in a lot of other areas of the planet. Most of those places were able to put the latest tech/speed/performance gear in place today. I wish we had that luxury. You want a few of my projects of taking subscribers off that old unreliable, slow, non 1GB/10Gb/100Gb capable? MAC address limits of the old gear really jacks up performance too.

IMO, the video does a real disservice to explaining internet speeds and who pays what for those speeds. Somebody is willing to provide some funding the improvements.
Like they always have.

[ibx 2]

Wow,

you sure do throw a hell of lot of acronyms in your post.

Net neutrality is actually not that hard. I will try to weed through your forest of acronyms and we will what is and what isn't a problem.

Bandwidth = the sum of the amount of data that can transferred over a certain time. Net neutrality is about not limiting bandwidth for anybody for financial reasons.

BGP peering, this is only a problem if there are no regulations making peering between carriers fair/free.

network advertisements and filtering = what do these have to do with on another? In a free network no filtering at all should take place. What do mean with advertisements?

security, monitoring and alarming support = basic services that a carrier must provide as a part of it's business and is payed for by the customer, also known as operational costs. It's the cost of running business, why is this a problem?

speeds = Whatever that means in this context. We already had bandwidth.

metro-ethernet services, national ethernet services = Do you mean Metropolitan Area Network, and Wide Area Networks and why is this an issue when discussing net neutrality.

QoS prioritization (required for VoIP and IPTV services) = VoiP and IPTV are not directly internet products and should not be part of the net neutrality discussion since they are services that are billed separately from internet only access.

Net Neutrality is only tricky if you try to cloud the issue in a bunch of bullshit buzzwords.


I have one more technical question about your post.
>MAC address limits of the old gear really jacks up performance too.

Do you mean the size of the ARP table?

[normiss 897]

ibx

Bandwidth = the sum of the amount of data that can transferred over a certain time. Net neutrality is about not limiting bandwidth for anybody for financial reasons.

Not true in any way.


BGP peering, this is only a problem if there are no regulations making peering between carriers fair/free.

This is not true given geographical peering agreements and routing protocols of preference by peering partners.

network advertisements and filtering = what do these have to do with on another? In a free network no filtering at all should take place. What do mean with advertisements?

You'd lose a lot of high paying customers were you to openly advertize some very large corporations or government entities networks.

security, monitoring and alarming support = basic services that a carrier must provide as a part of it's business and is payed for by the customer, also known as operational costs. It's the cost of running business, why is this a problem?

It's not a basic service. It's typically an added value service that you pay for. I don't get 24 hr support with call-out on my high speed internets. You?

speeds = Whatever that means in this context. We already had bandwidth.

Speed and bandwidth are not the same.

metro-ethernet services, national ethernet services = Do you mean Metropolitan Area Network, and Wide Area Networks and why is this an issue when discussing net neutrality.

No I don't. I meant what I said.

QoS prioritization (required for VoIP and IPTV services) = VoiP and IPTV are not directly internet products and should not be part of the net neutrality discussion since they are services that are billed separately from internet only access.

They most certainly are. Internet voice communication would be useless and simply not work without them. Carving that prioritization in network traffic is costly.

Net Neutrality is only tricky if you try to cloud the issue in a bunch of bullshit buzzwords.

I'm sorry you don't understand how the internet works.

I have one more technical question about your post.
>MAC address limits of the old gear really jacks up performance too.

Do you mean the size of the ARP table?

No sir. MAC address tables limits. Well documented issue on numerous backbone gear. Again, you're not understanding the technical aspects of how this works.

[ryoder 1,590]

ibx

QoS prioritization (required for VoIP and IPTV services) = VoiP and IPTV are not directly internet products and should not be part of the net neutrality discussion since they are services that are billed separately from internet only access.

Very wrong!

VoIP and IPTV are simply different applications running over the same IP path as any other application.

When you pay your ISP for Internet access, you are paying them to deliver IP packets in both directions regardless of what kind of data those packets contain. That is what net neutrality is all about.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[normiss 897]

[Amazon 7]

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Yes, "they" are at it again.

Here's a great little explainer from Vi Hart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAxMyTwmu_M

I am all for free markets deciding quite a bit, but when companies have monopolies from historic deals, then somebody needs to step in to protect everybody from abuse.

Can anybody give me a good reason why the internet should not be classified as a common carrier?

oh come on.. we live in a capitalistic society.... those who own everything should get only the best for the top dollar they can extort from the unwashed and (a)pathetic masses.

[okalb 104]

Mark, stop pretending to know something about how ISPs work!

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

[ryoder 1,590]

John Oliver (brilliantly) explains Net Neutrality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbOEoRrHyU

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[richravizza 28]

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