Fear and loathing in DC

[rushmc 23]

kallend

*********What do you think is causing this?
Since it started 17,000 years ago.....

Well, you've already shown that your arithmetic skills are deficient, so it's too much to expect that you understand differential calculus.

physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2009/sep/24/earths-glaciers-melting-at-an-accelerated-rate

news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0821_020821_wireglaciers.html

Awwww
getting frustrated??

Anyway
Ii will go with what a leading expert says
You can believe anything you want to

You cherry pick one.

I'll believe 97% of leading experts, Exxon Mobil, NASA, NOAA and the National Academy of Sciences.

No
I take one of the WORLDS LEADING EXPERTS

I am ok with that

I do know that he will now be disowned and attacked
But that is what happens when one's religion is affected

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,146]

Still working for that company that admits to spewing MILLIONS of tons of CO2 into the air each year?

'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

Still working for that company that admits to spewing MILLIONS of tons of CO2 into the air each year?

'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

Yep

and I would still be working for them even if every coal plant they have was closed due to your alarmism because my dear friend, those like you would still need the power

I work to deliver that power reliably and safely
So the door to your plane hanger will open when you flip the switch

So you see, my sallary has no dependacy on power generation

But this is the shit you do when you are loosing the argument

Tell us this, any NEW reports with NEW data that supports your alarmism in the last year?

I will wait

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

kallend

*********What do you think is causing this?
Since it started 17,000 years ago.....

Well, you've already shown that your arithmetic skills are deficient, so it's too much to expect that you understand differential calculus.

physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2009/sep/24/earths-glaciers-melting-at-an-accelerated-rate

news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0821_020821_wireglaciers.html

Awwww
getting frustrated??

Anyway
Ii will go with what a leading expert says
You can believe anything you want to

You cherry pick one.

I'll believe 97% of leading experts, Exxon Mobil, NASA, NOAA and the National Academy of Sciences.

Ohh noooooo

Quote

As NASA scientists publish another report warning of the impact of global warming on the Antarctic ice shelf, new figures have been released showing that the level of sea ice around Antarctica has hit record levels.

According to Australia's National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC), Antarctic sea ice grew by a record amount this April, increasing by a rate of more than 110,000 sq km (42,471 sq miles) per day to a total of nine million sq km (3.5 million sq miles).

The NSIDC said that rapid expansion also continued into this month, and the seasonal cover was now bigger than the record amount "by a significant margin".

The previous record was set in April 2008, but this year has surpassed that by 320,000 sq km (123,552 sq miles).

The biggest growth in sea ice occurred in the Weddel Sea area, with temperatures one or two degrees below average for this time of year.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/13/Antarctic-Sea-Ice-Hits-Record-Levels


Another alarmist myth cut down........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Quote

The record ice levels will make awkward reading for the NASA scientists who today said that the Antarctic ice shelf is in the process of collapsing and that the Antarctic ice melt appears "unstoppable".

As I have said. If and when the observation meet up with predictions I will consider changing my mind

Until then......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Hmm, why didn't breitbart quote the part of the report (half of it, actually) that talked about Arctic ice extent being significantly lower than average?

Because it doesn't fit their bias.

You need to get a better source of news.

- Dan G

[kallend 2,146]

Wow, now you're cherry picking a cherry picked article.

Nice use of intellectual dishonesty there.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 3,111]

>and I would still be working for them even if every coal plant they have was closed
>due to your alarmism because my dear friend, those like you would still need the
>power

Or just get a job at a tobacco company. People still need to relax with a smoke even with all the lung cancer alarmists.

[GeorgiaDon 379]

Interesting study just published in Nature, which is one of the two or three top journals in all of science (really rigorous peer review and all that). Grain crops grown under field conditions but with CO2 added to simulate levels expected by mid century have a marked decrease in iron and zinc levels, and also protein content in some species. People could compensate by eating more, but at the expense of taking in even more carbohydrate than they currently do, and we all know how that's working out. Take-home message for those who argue increased CO2 means increased crop productivity, those crops can be expected to have serious deficiencies in certain essential nutrients.

The article is here (need a subscription unfortunately).

Here's the journal reference and abstract:

Increasing CO2 threatens human nutrition. Nature (2014) doi:10.1038/nature13179

Samuel S. Myers, Antonella Zanobetti et al

"Dietary deficiencies of zinc and iron are a substantial global public health problem. An estimated two billion people suffer these deficiencies1, causing a loss of 63 million life-years annually2, 3. Most of these people depend on C3 grains and legumes as their primary dietary source of zinc and iron. Here we report that C3 grains and legumes have lower concentrations of zinc and iron when grown under field conditions at the elevated atmospheric CO2 concentration predicted for the middle of this century. C3 crops other than legumes also have lower concentrations of protein, whereas C4 crops seem to be less affected. Differences between cultivars of a single crop suggest that breeding for decreased sensitivity to atmospheric CO2 concentration could partly address these new challenges to global health."

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>and I would still be working for them even if every coal plant they have was closed
>due to your alarmism because my dear friend, those like you would still need the
>power

Or just get a job at a tobacco company. People still need to relax with a smoke even with all the lung cancer alarmists.

I love a good cigar

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

************Do you think this issue/science is settled?

You support the idea that man is going to destroy the ecosystem if we keep operating as we are today?

Please also remember, I baddly want to have real dirty air and water for my children and granchildern
I can not understand why anybody would want anything other

In other words, you don't know for yourself when you will consider the science settled.

Have you been away?

Or are you just too afraid to answer questions that may expose your?

When do you, rushmc, think the science will be settled?

I answered your question
You must be afraid to answer mine

I answered all your questions.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

***************Do you think this issue/science is settled?

You support the idea that man is going to destroy the ecosystem if we keep operating as we are today?

Please also remember, I baddly want to have real dirty air and water for my children and granchildern
I can not understand why anybody would want anything other

In other words, you don't know for yourself when you will consider the science settled.

Have you been away?

Or are you just too afraid to answer questions that may expose your?

When do you, rushmc, think the science will be settled?

I answered your question
You must be afraid to answer mine

I answered all your questions.
No
You did not

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[turtlespeed 226]

rushmc

************What do you think is causing this?
Since it started 17,000 years ago.....

Well, you've already shown that your arithmetic skills are deficient, so it's too much to expect that you understand differential calculus.

physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2009/sep/24/earths-glaciers-melting-at-an-accelerated-rate

news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0821_020821_wireglaciers.html

Awwww
getting frustrated??

Anyway
Ii will go with what a leading expert says
You can believe anything you want to

You cherry pick one.

I'll believe 97% of leading experts, Exxon Mobil, NASA, NOAA and the National Academy of Sciences.

Ohh noooooo

Quote

As NASA scientists publish another report warning of the impact of global warming on the Antarctic ice shelf, new figures have been released showing that the level of sea ice around Antarctica has hit record levels.

According to Australia's National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC), Antarctic sea ice grew by a record amount this April, increasing by a rate of more than 110,000 sq km (42,471 sq miles) per day to a total of nine million sq km (3.5 million sq miles).

The NSIDC said that rapid expansion also continued into this month, and the seasonal cover was now bigger than the record amount "by a significant margin".

The previous record was set in April 2008, but this year has surpassed that by 320,000 sq km (123,552 sq miles).

The biggest growth in sea ice occurred in the Weddel Sea area, with temperatures one or two degrees below average for this time of year.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/13/Antarctic-Sea-Ice-Hits-Record-Levels


Another alarmist myth cut down........

Hmmm. 3.5 million sq miles . . . Just a little bigger than the contiguous United States, (including water).

(42,471 sq miles) per day . . . a little bigger than Tennessee . . . every day.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[kallend 2,146]

turtlespeed

***************What do you think is causing this?
Since it started 17,000 years ago.....

Well, you've already shown that your arithmetic skills are deficient, so it's too much to expect that you understand differential calculus.

physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2009/sep/24/earths-glaciers-melting-at-an-accelerated-rate

news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0821_020821_wireglaciers.html

Awwww
getting frustrated??

Anyway
Ii will go with what a leading expert says
You can believe anything you want to

You cherry pick one.

I'll believe 97% of leading experts, Exxon Mobil, NASA, NOAA and the National Academy of Sciences.

Ohh noooooo

Quote

As NASA scientists publish another report warning of the impact of global warming on the Antarctic ice shelf, new figures have been released showing that the level of sea ice around Antarctica has hit record levels.

According to Australia's National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC), Antarctic sea ice grew by a record amount this April, increasing by a rate of more than 110,000 sq km (42,471 sq miles) per day to a total of nine million sq km (3.5 million sq miles).

The NSIDC said that rapid expansion also continued into this month, and the seasonal cover was now bigger than the record amount "by a significant margin".

The previous record was set in April 2008, but this year has surpassed that by 320,000 sq km (123,552 sq miles).

The biggest growth in sea ice occurred in the Weddel Sea area, with temperatures one or two degrees below average for this time of year.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/13/Antarctic-Sea-Ice-Hits-Record-Levels


Another alarmist myth cut down........

Hmmm. 3.5 million sq miles . . . Just a little bigger than the contiguous United States, (including water).

(42,471 sq miles) per day . . . a little bigger than Tennessee . . . every day.

Yes, it's amazing how fresh meltwater can refreeze when it runs off the continent into the salty ocean.

antoine.frostburg.edu/chem/senese/101/solutions/images/saltwater-phase-diagram.gif

A little knowledge of chemical thermodynamics can dispel another denier distractor.

Meanwhile Arctic sea ice continues to decline, and glaciers retreat. The average glacier thickness worldwide is now 12 meters less than it was in 1960 nsidc.org/sites/nsidc.org/files/images/cryosphere/sotc/glacier_thickness.gif

And total Antarctic ice mass declines: www.skepticalscience.com/images/Antarctica_Ice_Mass.gif

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,146]

Meanwhile, the US military...

www.cna.org/sites/default/files/MAB_2014.pdf

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

******************Do you think this issue/science is settled?

You support the idea that man is going to destroy the ecosystem if we keep operating as we are today?

Please also remember, I baddly want to have real dirty air and water for my children and granchildern
I can not understand why anybody would want anything other

In other words, you don't know for yourself when you will consider the science settled.

Have you been away?

Or are you just too afraid to answer questions that may expose your?

When do you, rushmc, think the science will be settled?

I answered your question
You must be afraid to answer mine

I answered all your questions.
No
You did not

Sure I did....it is right beside where you answered my question.

[rushmc 23]

Didnt take a month to get rid of this defector


http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/14/Climate-Science-Defector-Forced-to-Resign-by-Alarmist-Fatwa

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I have been put under such an enormous group pressure in recent days from all over the world that has become virtually unbearable to me. If this is going to continue I will be unable to conduct my normal work and will even start to worry about my health and safety. I see therefore no other way out therefore than resigning from GWPF. I had not expecting such an enormous world-wide pressure put at me from a community that I have been close to all my active life. Colleagues are withdrawing their support, other colleagues are withdrawing from joint authorship etc. I see no limit and end to what will happen.

It is a situation that reminds me about the time of McCarthy. I would never have expecting anything similar in such an original peaceful community as meteorology. Apparently it has been transformed in recent years. Under these situation I will be unable to contribute positively to the work of GWPF and consequently therefore I believe it is the best for me to reverse my decision to join its Board at the earliest possible time.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,146]

Now S&P is warning of likely problems.

www.cnbc.com/id/101676531

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Amazon 7]

Denial

How many funders can you find on this list??

[turtlespeed 226]

Amazon

Denial

How many funders can you find on this list??

It depends . . . how many do you want to find?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rushmc 23]

Here is the shit that is being dealt with today

From an interview reported on by Science Magazine

Quote

The paper, which Prof Bengtsson wrote with four co-authors, suggested that climate is probably less sensitive to greenhouse gases than is admitted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and that more research needs to be done to "reduce the underlying uncertainty". However, when submitted for publication in the leading journal Environmental Research Letters, the paper failed the peer-review process and was rejected.

One of the peer-reviewers reportedly wrote:


‘It is harmful as it opens the door for oversimplified claims of “errors” and worse from the climate sceptics media side.’

This, Prof Bengtsson told the Times, was "utterly unacceptable" and "an indication of how science is gradually being influenced by political views."

He added:


‘The problem we now have in the climate community is that some scientists are mixing up their scientific role with that of a climate activist.’

So as posted about before, it appears climate activists have corupted the peer review process in support of their activism.


http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/16/Climate-McCarthyism-the-scandal-grows

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,146]

Clearly 97% of climate scientists, NASA, NOAA, the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, Exxon-Mobil, Standard and Poors, The Department of Defense and the American Association for the Advancement of Science, in collaboration with Britain's Met. Office (among other reputable organizations) are engaged in a giant conspiracy.

Or Breitbart could be full of shit.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

Clearly 97% of climate scientists, NASA, NOAA, the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, Exxon-Mobil, Standard and Poors, The Department of Defense and the American Association for the Advancement of Science, in collaboration with Britain's Met. Office (among other reputable organizations) are engaged in a giant conspiracy.

Or Breitbart could be full of shit.

Percentages like this mean nothing in regards to science
And Breithbart just reported on an article from The Times Science
THAT is where the quotes came from

So, is The Times Science full of shit?

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/science/article4091344.ece

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,111]

>Percentages like this mean nothing in regards to science

I know. They're just numbers, and numbers have no place in science.

[Amazon 7]

kallend

Clearly 97% of climate scientists, NASA, NOAA, the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, Exxon-Mobil, Standard and Poors, The Department of Defense and the American Association for the Advancement of Science, in collaboration with Britain's Met. Office (among other reputable organizations) are engaged in a giant conspiracy.

Or Breitbart could be full of shit.

Just think of the future where there will be great dive tours for the great great grandchildren of todays Americans. The will get to check out the submerged cities all along the east coast. Along the west coast where the surface topography is greater there will be less of course..

There is growth business there I tell you. Subsurface Habs in Florida will be all the rage.... they will be able to look out of the front port window at their own personal coral reef with the few surviving species of fish and corals that have adapted to the extreme ultra violet in the sunlight because the atmosphere was polluted so heavily by chemicals that companies claimed were safe after the EPA is dismantled and by all the melting permafrost that will releash huge amounts of greenhouse gasses. At least underwater there will be less chance of skin cancers.