Fear and loathing in DC

[rushmc 23]

billvon

It was Upton Sinclair who said "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it." We have seen that example in you. With the news from Virginia we see the corollary - when conservatives realize that their job might _depend_ on understanding something, they seem to suddenly get science.

Cool
Now you are stealing kallends lame bail out line

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

BTW BIll
My job is NOT dependant on how electricity is generated
Mine is depandant on whether customer needs electricity
So, I work on the delivery side

The only difference for me would be the cost of the power I help to deliever. And we will see HUGE increases in those costs should you get your way

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,111]

> And we will see HUGE increases in those costs should you get your way.

So you are a perfect example there. I imagine if you ever move to Virginia and work for the military you'll become an alarmist, because then there would be a HUGE increase in costs if climate change continues unabated.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

> And we will see HUGE increases in those costs should you get your way.

So you are a perfect example there. I imagine if you ever move to Virginia and work for the military you'll become an alarmist, because then there would be a HUGE increase in costs if climate change continues unabated.

If this myth were true

Maybe

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

rushmc

***> And we will see HUGE increases in those costs should you get your way.

So you are a perfect example there. I imagine if you ever move to Virginia and work for the military you'll become an alarmist, because then there would be a HUGE increase in costs if climate change continues unabated.

If this myth were true

Maybe

The people living near an ocean worldwide are experienceing your myth within their lifetimes... I know that is kinda hard for you to "see" from Iowa.. But a whole lot of people along the Atlantic Ocean on our Eastern seaboard are getting ready to experience some of those effects over the next week.

Now run along and pull some corn stalks over yourself and chant.. nothing can change... nothing is changing.

[airdvr 210]

Amazon

******> And we will see HUGE increases in those costs should you get your way.

So you are a perfect example there. I imagine if you ever move to Virginia and work for the military you'll become an alarmist, because then there would be a HUGE increase in costs if climate change continues unabated.

If this myth were true

Maybe

The people living near an ocean worldwide are experienceing your myth within their lifetimes... I know that is kinda hard for you to "see" from Iowa.. But a whole lot of people along the Atlantic Ocean on our Eastern seaboard are getting ready to experience some of those effects over the next week.



Hehe..let me see if I've got this straight. This hurricane is a direct result of AGW? That's rich.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Amazon 7]

airdvr

*********> And we will see HUGE increases in those costs should you get your way.

So you are a perfect example there. I imagine if you ever move to Virginia and work for the military you'll become an alarmist, because then there would be a HUGE increase in costs if climate change continues unabated.

If this myth were true

Maybe

The people living near an ocean worldwide are experienceing your myth within their lifetimes... I know that is kinda hard for you to "see" from Iowa.. But a whole lot of people along the Atlantic Ocean on our Eastern seaboard are getting ready to experience some of those effects over the next week.



Hehe..let me see if I've got this straight. This hurricane is a direct result of AGW? That's rich.

The people who live within a couple miles of the coasts KNOW.... Any rise in sea levels during spring tides or storms is far more damaging now that it was historically.. As an Example... my mother lives about 300 ft from the ocean.. without "beach nourishment" that is ongoing continuously... her neighbors a couple hundred yards inland from her would already have the beachfront.

[airdvr 210]

I just finished watching Salmon: Running the Gauntlet

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/salmon-running-the-gauntlet/video-full-episode/6620/

or should I say I watched all I could stomach. This is a microcosm of another fucked up government program that costs billions and produces nothing.

Our once great runs of salmon are now conceived in laboratories, raised in tanks, driven in trucks, and farmed in pens. Here we go beyond the ongoing debate over how to save an endangered species. In its exposure of a wildly creative, hopelessly complex, and stunningly expensive approach to managing salmon, the film reveals one of the most ambitious plans ever conceived for taking the reins of the planet.

I can see this same thing coming with healthcare and AGW.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Stumpy 284]

airdvr

I can see this same thing coming with healthcare and AGW.

Priceless

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[kallend 2,146]

rushmc

BTW BIll
My job is NOT dependant on how electricity is generated
Mine is depandant on whether customer needs electricity
So, I work on the delivery side

That has to be the LAME-EST cop out ever on DZ.COM.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Amazon 7]

airdvr

I just finished watching Salmon: Running the Gauntlet

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/salmon-running-the-gauntlet/video-full-episode/6620/

or should I say I watched all I could stomach. This is a microcosm of another fucked up government program that costs billions and produces nothing.

Our once great runs of salmon are now conceived in laboratories, raised in tanks, driven in trucks, and farmed in pens. Here we go beyond the ongoing debate over how to save an endangered species. In its exposure of a wildly creative, hopelessly complex, and stunningly expensive approach to managing salmon, the film reveals one of the most ambitious plans ever conceived for taking the reins of the planet.

I can see this same thing coming with healthcare and AGW.

Its too bad that you can not comprehend that the salmon runs were decimated by the same attitudes that have destroyed our environment and fucked over people by the millions who have gone off to die because they had everything taken after an illness and the cancellation of that which they though they had.... it's greed that benefits just a few people.

[billvon 3,111]

>In its exposure of a wildly creative, hopelessly complex, and stunningly expensive
>approach to managing salmon, the film reveals one of the most ambitious plans
>ever conceived for taking the reins of the planet.

They should just take the denier approach - there is no overfishing problem with salmon, and if there is it's not our fault, and if it is our fault then it must be a good thing.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

***BTW BIll
My job is NOT dependant on how electricity is generated
Mine is depandant on whether customer needs electricity
So, I work on the delivery side

That has to be the LAME-EST cop out ever on DZ.COM.

You would be one of the loudest bitchers if you could not get your hanger door open because you didnt have power

Just sayin......

You also prove you have very little understanding of how this regulated industry works
again
Just sayin.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Amazon

************> And we will see HUGE increases in those costs should you get your way.

So you are a perfect example there. I imagine if you ever move to Virginia and work for the military you'll become an alarmist, because then there would be a HUGE increase in costs if climate change continues unabated.

If this myth were true

Maybe

The people living near an ocean worldwide are experienceing your myth within their lifetimes... I know that is kinda hard for you to "see" from Iowa.. But a whole lot of people along the Atlantic Ocean on our Eastern seaboard are getting ready to experience some of those effects over the next week.



Hehe..let me see if I've got this straight. This hurricane is a direct result of AGW? That's rich.

The people who live within a couple miles of the coasts KNOW.... Any rise in sea levels during spring tides or storms is far more damaging now that it was historically.. As an Example... my mother lives about 300 ft from the ocean.. without "beach nourishment" that is ongoing continuously... her neighbors a couple hundred yards inland from her would already have the beachfront.

If a majority of people who live along the coast believe this is something other than natural, they dont know shit

beach nourshment just helps the rich bastards who can afford beachfront property maintain thier property value at the cost of the taxpayer

Just another fabricated story to get tax dollars

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,146]

rushmc

beach nourshment just helps the rich bastards who can afford beachfront property maintain thier property value at the cost of the taxpayer

Just another fabricated story to get tax dollars

Yep, just another example of welfare for the rich, while the same people bitch about the pittance paid to minimum wage workers.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

***

beach nourshment just helps the rich bastards who can afford beachfront property maintain thier property value at the cost of the taxpayer

Just another fabricated story to get tax dollars

Yep, just another example of welfare for the rich, while the same people bitch about the pittance paid to minimum wage workers.
another major redirect

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,146]

rushmc

******

beach nourshment just helps the rich bastards who can afford beachfront property maintain thier property value at the cost of the taxpayer

Just another fabricated story to get tax dollars

Yep, just another example of welfare for the rich, while the same people bitch about the pittance paid to minimum wage workers.
another major redirect


Another major hypocrisy.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[airdvr 210]

Amazon

***I just finished watching Salmon: Running the Gauntlet

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/salmon-running-the-gauntlet/video-full-episode/6620/

or should I say I watched all I could stomach. This is a microcosm of another fucked up government program that costs billions and produces nothing.

Our once great runs of salmon are now conceived in laboratories, raised in tanks, driven in trucks, and farmed in pens. Here we go beyond the ongoing debate over how to save an endangered species. In its exposure of a wildly creative, hopelessly complex, and stunningly expensive approach to managing salmon, the film reveals one of the most ambitious plans ever conceived for taking the reins of the planet.

I can see this same thing coming with healthcare and AGW.

Its too bad that you can not comprehend that the salmon runs were decimated by the same attitudes that have destroyed our environment and fucked over people by the millions who have gone off to die because they had everything taken after an illness and the cancellation of that which they though they had.... it's greed that benefits just a few people.

I never said man didn't cause the salmon problems. I am saying that our government can't fix everything, and more often than not their attempts to fix something end up making it worse.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[billvon 3,111]

>I never said man didn't cause the salmon problems.

Good! You're a lot farther along than most right wingers. In the case of both the atmosphere and the salmon runs, by far the best thing we can do is just leave them alone as much as possible. No complex technological fixes - just stop taking so many fish and putting so much CO2 into the atmosphere.

[Amazon 7]

rushmc

***************> And we will see HUGE increases in those costs should you get your way.

So you are a perfect example there. I imagine if you ever move to Virginia and work for the military you'll become an alarmist, because then there would be a HUGE increase in costs if climate change continues unabated.

If this myth were true

Maybe

The people living near an ocean worldwide are experienceing your myth within their lifetimes... I know that is kinda hard for you to "see" from Iowa.. But a whole lot of people along the Atlantic Ocean on our Eastern seaboard are getting ready to experience some of those effects over the next week.



Hehe..let me see if I've got this straight. This hurricane is a direct result of AGW? That's rich.

The people who live within a couple miles of the coasts KNOW.... Any rise in sea levels during spring tides or storms is far more damaging now that it was historically.. As an Example... my mother lives about 300 ft from the ocean.. without "beach nourishment" that is ongoing continuously... her neighbors a couple hundred yards inland from her would already have the beachfront.

If a majority of people who live along the coast believe this is something other than natural, they dont know shit

beach nourshment just helps the rich bastards who can afford beachfront property maintain thier property value at the cost of the taxpayer

Just another fabricated story to get tax dollars

I guess all the millions of Little People who go the beach don't have a dog in that hunt.. got it.

[Amazon 7]

airdvr

******I just finished watching Salmon: Running the Gauntlet

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/salmon-running-the-gauntlet/video-full-episode/6620/

or should I say I watched all I could stomach. This is a microcosm of another fucked up government program that costs billions and produces nothing.

Our once great runs of salmon are now conceived in laboratories, raised in tanks, driven in trucks, and farmed in pens. Here we go beyond the ongoing debate over how to save an endangered species. In its exposure of a wildly creative, hopelessly complex, and stunningly expensive approach to managing salmon, the film reveals one of the most ambitious plans ever conceived for taking the reins of the planet.

I can see this same thing coming with healthcare and AGW.

Its too bad that you can not comprehend that the salmon runs were decimated by the same attitudes that have destroyed our environment and fucked over people by the millions who have gone off to die because they had everything taken after an illness and the cancellation of that which they though they had.... it's greed that benefits just a few people.

I never said man didn't cause the salmon problems. I am saying that our government can't fix everything, and more often than not their attempts to fix something end up making it worse.

THE GOVERNMENT is us.

Quote

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Now read that.... carefully...

Why do so many conservatives have such a problem with following this... and playing well with others which is what the Founding Fathers codified right there.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

billvon

>In its exposure of a wildly creative, hopelessly complex, and stunningly expensive
>approach to managing salmon, the film reveals one of the most ambitious plans
>ever conceived for taking the reins of the planet.

They should just take the denier approach - there is no overfishing problem with salmon, and if there is it's not our fault, and if it is our fault then it must be a good thing.

Well, overfishing really isn't the problem with the salmon.

It's the "destruction of the paths to the breeding grounds" that is the problem.
The adult salmon can't get back upstream to spawn, and the fry (baby salmon) can't get back downstream to the ocean to grow up. There's a lot more involved, like the bear that eat the salmon in the streams and how the dead bodies of the adults become fertilizer in the upland lakes and streams.

You know, that whole "Circle of Life" thing.

I saw the program some time ago. It's really depressing how much we (all of us) have destroyed the planet and how many ecosystems have been damaged or destroyed.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Amazon 7]

wolfriverjoe

***>In its exposure of a wildly creative, hopelessly complex, and stunningly expensive
>approach to managing salmon, the film reveals one of the most ambitious plans
>ever conceived for taking the reins of the planet.

They should just take the denier approach - there is no overfishing problem with salmon, and if there is it's not our fault, and if it is our fault then it must be a good thing.

Well, overfishing really isn't the problem with the salmon.

It's the "destruction of the paths to the breeding grounds" that is the problem.
The adult salmon can't get back upstream to spawn, and the fry (baby salmon) can't get back downstream to the ocean to grow up. There's a lot more involved, like the bear that eat the salmon in the streams and how the dead bodies of the adults become fertilizer in the upland lakes and streams.

You know, that whole "Circle of Life" thing.

I saw the program some time ago. It's really depressing how much we (all of us) have destroyed the planet and how many ecosystems have been damaged or destroyed.


The circle of life thing has been broken. Welcome to the 6th great extinction event on our planet... and humans are the cause.

[Coreece 190]

Amazon

The circle of life thing has been broken. Welcome to the 6th great extinction event on our planet... and humans are the cause.

Well, if you believe our life unintelligibly organized itself in the midst of chaos, what are you so worried about?

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[billvon 3,111]

>Well, overfishing really isn't the problem with the salmon.

That's the biggest part of the problem. Habitat damage is another problem, although we have gotten better at mitigating that. Again the best solution is not to engineer better salmon, or build new rivers, but just leave them and their habitat alone as much as possible - and when we do have to interfere, do so with as little impact as possible.