StreetScooby 5 #1 May 4, 2014 HUD is using Westchester as an experiment in social engineering, and they have now expanded to Nassau county. Folks need to be aware of this, as this is their template for the entire country. Beware Nassau, et al (May 2, 2014)We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #2 May 4, 2014 It's a political pissing contest. But thanks for the political add that you linked. http://m.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/westchester-democrats-launch-new-attack-gop-rob-astorino-blog-entry-1.1774530 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #3 May 5, 2014 The intent here is to make people aware of what is happening with Housing and Urban Development (HUD), yet another federal entity that is simply out of control. The previous Westchester County Executive, Andy Spano, took HUD money many years ago and didn't spend it correctly. He should have gone to jail, but instead reached an out of court settlement with HUD that has been imposed on the county taxpayers. Now, HUD is demanding much more than was agreed to in the original settlement. Rob Astorino, current Westchester County Executive and candidate for NY Governor, has been fighting HUD tooth and nail over this. Now, Cuomo (and HUD) have resorted to sending Al Sharpton here to claim that Astorino is a racist. This could not be further from the truth. It's an unbelievable bald ass lie. Keep in mind, that Cuomo used to be a senior member of HUD during the Clinton years. These folks do not have the truth in them. My point - this federal administration is out of control. Keep informed, and stay involved. More background: The 800-Pound HUD Gorilla Latest: Cuomo’s racial-discrimination claims will hurt him in election: GOP sourcesWe are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #4 May 5, 2014 Some other salient points to this issue, if HUD has its way. This is my current understanding: 1) Local zoning will be overriden by HUD, at will. 2) No Westchester landlord may use credit checks, or deny section 8 tenants. 3) Local cops may end up not being allowed to deal with tenants who are section 8, where ever they live. Again, HUD is looking to make this their template for the entire country going forward. EDIT - per correction, as discussed below.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #5 May 5, 2014 Quote3) Local cops may end up not being allowed to deal with tenants who are section 8, where ever they live. What? Are you saying Section 8 tenants will be above the law? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #6 May 5, 2014 Quote Are you saying Section 8 tenants will be above the law? Above the local cop's jurisdiction. That is my current understanding. So, they're blaring music? Nothing the local cops can do about it. Stealing in your neighborhood? Nothing the local cops can do about it. And more...We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #7 May 5, 2014 QuoteAbove the local cop's jurisdiction. That is my current understanding. So, they're blaring music? Nothing the local cops can do about it. Stealing in your neighborhood? Nothing the local cops can do about it. And more... What is your current understanding based on? This seems pretty far out. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #8 May 5, 2014 Quote What is your current understanding based on? This has been festering for years, now. Lots of conversations, with Rob Astorino, his team, local law enforcement, and others that are well informed. It is mind boggling what HUD is trying to do.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 May 5, 2014 StreetScoobyQuote What is your current understanding based on? This has been festering for years, now. Lots of conversations, with Rob Astorino, his team, local law enforcement, and others that are well informed. It is mind boggling what HUD is trying to do. So, you've personally spoken to this guy or just listened to his radio show? I ask because it sounds like conspiracy theory hype just to get attention.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #10 May 5, 2014 Quote So, you've personally spoken to this guy or just listened to his radio show? I've been personally involved in every one of Rob's campaigns for County Executive. Known him for years now, and those that are on his staff. I've also lived in my town for ~20 years now. I regularly speak to the Chief of Detectives, and other LEOs (both local, and NYPD). Quote I ask because it sounds like conspiracy theory hype just to get attention. Way beyond that... It is not hype, and it is not a conspiracy theory. It IS a government agency gone out of control.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #11 May 5, 2014 I'm not saying you're lying, I just find it very hard to believe that the federal government would say that local law enforcement has no arresting authority over an individual simply because of the source of funding for his housing. It's even more incredulous that the federal government wishes to create a whole class of people, across the country, that are not subject to local laws. That's FEMA camp level stuff. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #12 May 5, 2014 For those interested in seeing how this has played out over the years, here is the county website detailing its interactions with HUD: http://homes.westchestergov.com/housing-settlement/press-releasesWe are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #13 May 5, 2014 Quote ...I just find it very hard to believe that the federal government would say that local law enforcement has no arresting authority over an individual simply because of the source of funding for his housing. I've had this understanding for a while now. Let me dive into this again, and see what I can come up with in writing. Some of this could be related to LEO concerns about being labeled "racists" and having to deal with lawsuits bought by organizations "implicitly supported" by HUD (as the original organization that sued Andy Spano apparently was). These lawsuits turn out to be enormous drains on town resources. Again, let me see what I can find in writing.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 May 5, 2014 StreetScoobyAgain, let me see what I can find in writing. Pretty much always a good start.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #15 May 5, 2014 Just called up the Chief of Detectives. Local LEO will still have jurisdiction over this. I stand corrected. The concerns re: being sued are valid, as in all police operations. Case in point: fatal shooting of Pace student Danroy Henry I know one of the officers involved in this. Even though this police action was deemed justified (the guy tried to run over an officer, and did actually hit him with the car), it has been incredibly costly financially to both the town and the police officers involved.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #17 May 5, 2014 Thanks for asking the question. Sometimes, you get so far down a path that it's good to revisit it.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #18 May 5, 2014 StreetScoobyJust called up the Chief of Detectives. Local LEO will still have jurisdiction over this. I stand corrected. The concerns re: being sued are valid, as in all police operations. Case in point: fatal shooting of Pace student Danroy Henry I know one of the officers involved in this. Even though this police action was deemed justified (the guy tried to run over an officer, and did actually hit him with the car), it has been incredibly costly financially to both the town and the police officers involved. POV cameras.. a whole lot less stupid police activities ( Up to 88% less claims against the police for extra-curricular activities on civilian bodies in one jurisdiction)... and good solid evidence for the police when the dirtbags want to claim brutality etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #19 May 5, 2014 Quote POV cameras.. a whole lot less stupid police activities ( Up to 88% less claims against the police for extra-curricular activities on civilian bodies in one jurisdiction)... and good solid evidence for the police when the dirtbags want to claim brutality etc. The Feds actually came into this case. Camera footage from the various stores in that "mall" were used in deeming the action justified. As sad as this case is, for reasons that none of us can understand the civil suits have been allowed to proceed, and they are costly.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites