Junk food banned for sale across the USA as of 1st July

[Skyrad 0]

So I saw the following article on Sky News and I'm very interested in what opinion is across the globe but especially in the USA regarding this development.

http://news.sky.com/story/1249930/junk-food-school-meals-banned-by-usda

I know old Jamie Oliver didn't exactly go down a storm over there but I wonder if his message was better received than he was. (I don't for a second think that he had any influence over this decision but he did get a debate going). Also banning drinks of a stupidly large size in NY wasn't well received by some people so what are your thoughts on 'Junk food' being banned for sale in schools across the USA by the USAD?

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[GeorgiaDon 380]

Schools are about teaching. People are constantly demanding that schools teach "life skills" such as basic economic skills. Why not healthy eating? Or to put it another way, why should schools be enablers of bad nutritional habits that tend to have lifetime consequences as bad as being unable to "balance a checkbook" (so to speak, I do realize only a few of us dinosaurs still use checks).

BTW nice misleading title to get "looks".

Don

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[BIGUN 1,488]

Ya know... I'm opposed to the government legislating its way into people's lives, but you cannot believe the struggle as early as elementary school. When my daughter started Kindergarten, we got this informational brochure about healthy eating and good snacks and... I; as one on a plant-based diet was doing a happy dance that my education at home on eating healthy would carry on in the school. The "house rule" at meal time is we eat no more than four ounces of protein; no less than two vegetables, very little starch and you can eat all the fruit you want.

Then it all went to shit the first week. the fundraisers for the school are ALL junk food business based. Papa Johns night, Sonic night, MCDONALDS night?!?!?!? etc. etc. in which 10% of the proceeds go to the school. Subway night? nope. Now, we don't participate; but the message to the kids to the parents has been one of shame for not supporting the school. In the end, I don't like that its reached this point; but am glad to hear it.

And, this is just one of many reasons why homeschooling is growing seven times faster than public school enrollment.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[Skyrad 0]

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Then it all went to shit the first week. the fundraisers for the school are ALL junk food business based. Papa Johns night, Sonic night, MCDONALDS night?!?!?!? etc. etc. in which 10% of the proceeds go to the school.

Thats a new concept to me, we don't have that over in the UK. So am I understanding correctly that the fast food joints have a night where they get the parents to come along and donate 10% of the profit to the school? I'm surprised the schools participate in this. Are they public schools (As in not fee paying schools)?

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[BIGUN 1,488]

Skyrad

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Then it all went to shit the first week. the fundraisers for the school are ALL junk food business based. Papa Johns night, Sonic night, MCDONALDS night?!?!?!? etc. etc. in which 10% of the proceeds go to the school.

Thats a new concept to me, we don't have that over in the UK. So am I understanding correctly that the fast food joints have a night where they get the parents to come along and donate 10% of the profit to the school? I'm surprised the schools participate in this. Are they public schools (As in not fee paying schools)?

Yes - on both accounts.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[Tink1717 2]

Won't work here. Americans are committed to the Standard American Diet. Nothing short of wholesale armageddon will change that. There are data points out there that suggest this will be the first generation after the industrial revolution to actually decrease its lifespan. Sad that we can't come to a consensus that the shit on your plate will kill you just as dead as the tobacco in your hand.

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[Coreece 190]

Tink1717

Sad that we can't come to a consensus that the shit on your plate will kill you just as dead as the tobacco in your hand.

Well, I suppose that's better than smoking it...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[Skyrad 0]

LOL.. Actually it was a typo, I simply forgot to put schools in there.

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[PiLFy 3]

I too, am dead set against the Govt. legislating in these areas of life, but...

I'm really glad to see this. Something needs to be done to combat childhood obesity. I routinely see 10yoa kids who are already 200#s . These kids are facing life-long problems before even hitting puberty.

I saw a documentary on food contracts for public schools across the country. It came out a few years ago. Turns out, national fast food suppliers had gotten contracts for almost every school in the country (?!). They showed what kids were eating. It made me sick. Kids were eating the worst possible garbage you can think of.

I'm normally against Nanny Laws, but since the Govt. allowed the fast food companies to bring us to this juncture. It's now necessary to legislate proper nutrition. Older kids will probably miss their pile of greasy french fries w/nothing for lunch, but succeeding generations of kids will learn the benefits of proper eating from an early age. This is a very good thing.

[turtlespeed 226]

Skyrad

So I saw the following article on Sky News and I'm very interested in what opinion is across the globe but especially in the USA regarding this development.

http://news.sky.com/story/1249930/junk-food-school-meals-banned-by-usda

I know old Jamie Oliver didn't exactly go down a storm over there but I wonder if his message was better received than he was. (I don't for a second think that he had any influence over this decision but he did get a debate going). Also banning drinks of a stupidly large size in NY wasn't well received by some people so what are your thoughts on 'Junk food' being banned for sale in schools across the USA by the USAD?

Seems to me that junk food could be old moldy carrots and over ripe zucchini.

Why does the government think it needs to get into our refrigerators and pantries now?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[wmw999 2,589]

I remember when they started letting junk food into my sons school. Seemed like a bad idea then, but they said it was what kids were eating anyway

The rationale was that healthy food was being wasted, and that it was more expensive. We'll do anything to save money

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[turtlespeed 226]

PiLFy

I'm really glad to see this. Something needs to be done to combat childhood obesity. I routinely see 10yoa kids who are already 200#s . These kids are facing life-long problems before even hitting puberty.

Imagine what would happen if the parents took responsibility and quit making the nanny state take care of them.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[PiLFy 3]

turtlespeed

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I'm really glad to see this. Something needs to be done to combat childhood obesity. I routinely see 10yoa kids who are already 200#s . These kids are facing life-long problems before even hitting puberty.

Imagine what would happen if the parents took responsibility and quit making the nanny state take care of them.

That's a separate issue. To be fair to Parents, though. They're not standing there in the cafeteria when their kids are buying some of the worst possible foods for them... I wish I remembered the name of that documentary I mentioned. It showed the problem very clearly. Many school cafeterias don't offer ANYTHING that's healthy, anymore.

[turtlespeed 226]

PiLFy

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I'm really glad to see this. Something needs to be done to combat childhood obesity. I routinely see 10yoa kids who are already 200#s . These kids are facing life-long problems before even hitting puberty.

Imagine what would happen if the parents took responsibility and quit making the nanny state take care of them.

That's a separate issue. To be fair to Parents, though. They're not standing there in the cafeteria when their kids are buying some of the worst possible foods for them... I wish I remembered the name of that documentary I mentioned. It showed the problem very clearly. Many school cafeterias don't offer ANYTHING that's healthy, anymore.

We had Pizza Day, and Hot Dog Day, and grilled cheese day, and Hamburger Mac and Cheese day, and Sub Sammich Day.

We didn't have but one or two "Fat Kids" in about . . . 900 or so kids.

What happened since then?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[jclalor 12]

turtlespeed

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I'm really glad to see this. Something needs to be done to combat childhood obesity. I routinely see 10yoa kids who are already 200#s . These kids are facing life-long problems before even hitting puberty.

Imagine what would happen if the parents took responsibility and quit making the nanny state take care of them.

That's a separate issue. To be fair to Parents, though. They're not standing there in the cafeteria when their kids are buying some of the worst possible foods for them... I wish I remembered the name of that documentary I mentioned. It showed the problem very clearly. Many school cafeterias don't offer ANYTHING that's healthy, anymore.

We had Pizza Day, and Hot Dog Day, and grilled cheese day, and Hamburger Mac and Cheese day, and Sub Sammich Day.

We didn't have but one or two "Fat Kids" in about . . . 900 or so kids.

What happened since then?

I'm guessing your question is rhetorical.

[turtlespeed 226]

jclalor

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I'm really glad to see this. Something needs to be done to combat childhood obesity. I routinely see 10yoa kids who are already 200#s . These kids are facing life-long problems before even hitting puberty.

Imagine what would happen if the parents took responsibility and quit making the nanny state take care of them.

That's a separate issue. To be fair to Parents, though. They're not standing there in the cafeteria when their kids are buying some of the worst possible foods for them... I wish I remembered the name of that documentary I mentioned. It showed the problem very clearly. Many school cafeterias don't offer ANYTHING that's healthy, anymore.

We had Pizza Day, and Hot Dog Day, and grilled cheese day, and Hamburger Mac and Cheese day, and Sub Sammich Day.

We didn't have but one or two "Fat Kids" in about . . . 900 or so kids.

What happened since then?

I'm guessing your question is rhetorical.

No - it was 5 meals out of 35.
Parents are responsible for the other 30 meals.
What happens in the child's life is their responsibility, not the government's.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[Tink1717 2]

It's the same no matter which way you choose. Slow motion suicide either by fork or by cig. I'd love to know which one costs more. Cigs are premo expensive, and the disease process can get into the stratosphere in terms of individual costs. While food is relatively cheap, the disease process lasts a lot longer and the food choices of a population can alter the environment that population inhabits. There it can cause more disease by itself.

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[PiLFy 3]

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No - it was 5 meals out of 35.
Parents are responsible for the other 30 meals.

Not so. You're aware that lots of kids eat two meals per day at their schools? Breakfast & Lunch are served to lots of children, nowadays.

I hear what you're saying, but...Not every parent has a partner. Not every couple can afford for one of them to stay home w/the kids. &, quite frankly, not every parent is bright enough for the job...

Whatever the causes are outside of school? It clearly isn't working. Childhood obesity isn't going away. Kids spend the majority of their time at school. Fast food corporations were allowed to turn school cafeterias into McDonald's etal annexes. That's done real damage. It needs to stop. This will help do that.

I think you've read enough of my posts to know I want the Govt. the fuck out of my life. The Govt. created this mess, in part, by allowing their dirtbag fast food friends to take over the feeding of these kids. In this, at least, the Govt. is making a move back in the right direction.

[BartsDaddy 7]

You say, kids spend the majority of time at school. I am glad I went to school in the 60's and 70's. Then we were only expected to be at school for 7 to 9 hours a day, according to schedule. I had no clue students were expetected to be in class more then 12 hours a day. Everyday.

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[kelpdiver 2]

turtlespeed

We had Pizza Day, and Hot Dog Day, and grilled cheese day, and Hamburger Mac and Cheese day, and Sub Sammich Day.

We didn't have but one or two "Fat Kids" in about . . . 900 or so kids.

What happened since then?

I wonder about your memory. And are you only thinking about elementary school, or all 3 tiers? In grade school, it was often just one meal. But later, you had choices.

In the mid 80s, my junior high offered cookies, and it's it ice cream sandwiches. I often bought two cookies and the its it and made a super its it. In high school, everything was ala cart and I could get twinkies and coke (from vending machines).

Fortunately, I was running 20+ miles a week, so I could get away with a lot of this.

[turtlespeed 226]

PiLFy

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No - it was 5 meals out of 35.
Parents are responsible for the other 30 meals.

Not so. You're aware that lots of kids eat two meals per day at their schools? Breakfast & Lunch are served to lots of children, nowadays.

I hear what you're saying, but...Not every parent has a partner. Not every couple can afford for one of them to stay home w/the kids. &, quite frankly, not every parent is bright enough for the job...

Whatever the causes are outside of school? It clearly isn't working. Childhood obesity isn't going away. Kids spend the majority of their time at school. Fast food corporations were allowed to turn school cafeterias into McDonald's etal annexes. That's done real damage. It needs to stop. This will help do that.

I think you've read enough of my posts to know I want the Govt. the fuck out of my life. The Govt. created this mess, in part, by allowing their dirtbag fast food friends to take over the feeding of these kids. In this, at least, the Govt. is making a move back in the right direction.

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I hear what you're saying, but...Not every parent has a partner. Not every couple can afford for one of them to stay home w/the kids. &, quite frankly, not every parent is bright enough for the job...

What percentage is that . . . and why shouldn't we just make it better for them instead of making every one else suffer the mediocrity of the government insistence.

Your math needs to be adjusted.

ISFA - Majority - that would be most.

in a 24 hour day, at most a kid spends 8 or 9 hours in school. Extra curricular activities aside . . . most of those do not include a classroom or meals or the cafeteria.

That leave about 2/3s of the day that the parents need to step the FUCK up and deal with their creations of life.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[PiLFy 3]

BartsDaddy

You say, kids spend the majority of time at school. I am glad I went to school in the 60's and 70's. Then we were only expected to be at school for 7 to 9 hours a day, according to schedule. I had no clue students were expetected to be in class more then 12 hours a day. Everyday.

Been quite a few years, but let's see... School started about 7:20, & went until 3:30-4PM. Then, there were after school sports. I often wouldn't get home until 7PM. On the nights I didn't have a sports practice, I worked (& got home even later). So yes, Kids spend the majority of their time in school.

If you have something useful to contribute. Please, do so. If you just want to be a d*^#? Go spread that over in SC... Oh. Never mind. Carry on, then.

[PiLFy 3]

"That leave about 2/3s of the day that the parents need to step the FUCK up and deal with their creations of life."

OK. Put down your timepiece, then. Rather than quibble over a few hours spent. Look at what else I wrote. For whatever reasons, the status quo clearly isn't working, correct? If a large portion of parents haven't been able or willing to do their jobs better. You think your telling them to step the F up is gonna change that?? Gonna make things better so all parents will have more resources, more time, & (in some cases) more of a clue? That'd be a damn fine trick, friend. Tell me. Are you a magic Turtle?? Gonna need a big Wand to pull that one off.

[turtlespeed 226]

PiLFy

***You say, kids spend the majority of time at school. I am glad I went to school in the 60's and 70's. Then we were only expected to be at school for 7 to 9 hours a day, according to schedule. I had no clue students were expetected to be in class more then 12 hours a day. Everyday.

Been quite a few years, but let's see... School started about 7:20, & went until 3:30-4PM. Then, there were after school sports. I often wouldn't get home until 7PM. On the nights I didn't have a sports practice, I worked (& got home even later). So yes, Kids spend the majority of their time in school.

If you have something useful to contribute. Please, do so. If you just want to be a d*^#? Go spread that over in SC... Oh. Never mind. Carry on, then.

OK - so . . .

7:20am to 3:30 or 4 pm is a majority now.

8:10 hors to 8:40 hours . . . work doesn't equate school.
Football / sports do not involve the schools dietary oversight.

so NO, actually kids don't spend the majority of their time in the school's care.

And yes, if you decide to FUCK and have a kid as a by product of that experience - you are absolutely responsible for the outcome. I don't care if you wanted it or not - you did it, deal with it.
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I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[turtlespeed 226]

PiLFy

"That leave about 2/3s of the day that the parents need to step the FUCK up and deal with their creations of life."

OK. Put down your timepiece, then. Rather than quibble over a few hours spent. Look at what else I wrote. For whatever reasons, the status quo clearly isn't working, correct? If a large portion of parents haven't been able or willing to do their jobs better. You think your telling them to step the F up is gonna change that?? Gonna make things better so all parents will have more resources, more time, & (in some cases) more of a clue? That'd be a damn fine trick, friend. Tell me. Are you a magic Turtle?? Gonna need a big Wand to pull that one off.

Time piece?

These are lives we are talking about.

Parents should do the right thing.

maybe we should fine them instead of inconveniencing everyone else.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun