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[RonD1120 62]

If it would ease your tension, let me also state that I personally know some Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Methodists and Baptists who are Christians.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Thunderbow 1]

First, congratulations on your deliverance.
And yes I agree we only have the ability to point someone in the right direction.

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Lord, let me be the person my dog thinks I am.

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RonD1120

If it would ease your tension, let me also state that I personally know some Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Methodists and Baptists who are Christians.

Jesus was an Observant Jew.

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RonD1120

***>What twisted beliefs of mine are you referring to? I am a Church of God Pentecostal.

Well, thank heavens you aren't a Pentecostal Church of God member. Because those people aren't really Christians.

I am a member of the church. You must have misread and certainly misspoke.

Perhaps he was referring to the Worldwide Church of God.

Coincidentally, their beliefs are not much different to yours in the "eternal damnation" respect:

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To maintain member loyalty, Armstrong's ministers indoctrinated them that they had been "called" by God into the only true Christian church on Earth and that all other Christian churches were Satanic counterfeits. If a called member were to question church doctrines, the member would be in peril of losing salvation and being cast into the lake of fire on Judgment Day.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[Stumpy 284]

RonD1120

***>What twisted beliefs of mine are you referring to? I am a Church of God Pentecostal.

Well, thank heavens you aren't a Pentecostal Church of God member. Because those people aren't really Christians.

I am a member of the church. You must have misread and certainly misspoke.

Unless I am very much mistaken, I think the Judean People's front is relevant here.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[RonD1120 62]

winsor

***If it would ease your tension, let me also state that I personally know some Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Methodists and Baptists who are Christians.

Jesus was an Observant Jew.

Excellent reference, it shows how little folks pay attention to their own beliefs. I particularly noticed the statement about Roman Catholics.

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Almost half of Catholics surveyed did not know that their church teaches that the bread and wine used in Communion actually become the body and blood of Christ.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

masterblaster72

******>What twisted beliefs of mine are you referring to? I am a Church of God Pentecostal.

Well, thank heavens you aren't a Pentecostal Church of God member. Because those people aren't really Christians.

I am a member of the church. You must have misread and certainly misspoke.

Perhaps he was referring to the Worldwide Church of God.

Coincidentally, their beliefs are not much different to yours in the "eternal damnation" respect:

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To maintain member loyalty, Armstrong's ministers indoctrinated them that they had been "called" by God into the only true Christian church on Earth and that all other Christian churches were Satanic counterfeits. If a called member were to question church doctrines, the member would be in peril of losing salvation and being cast into the lake of fire on Judgment Day.

That is exactly why I advocate studying Scripture in the Holy Bible, then go find a church where you fit in. We can only preach Christ and Him crucified.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

Stumpy

******>What twisted beliefs of mine are you referring to? I am a Church of God Pentecostal.

Well, thank heavens you aren't a Pentecostal Church of God member. Because those people aren't really Christians.

I am a member of the church. You must have misread and certainly misspoke.

Unless I am very much mistaken, I think the Judean People's front is relevant here.

I never heard of them.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kallend 2,117]

RonD1120

That is exactly why I advocate studying Scripture in the Holy Bible, then go find a church where you fit in. We can only preach Christ and Him crucified.

So why do you preach the rather hateful words of Paul?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[RonD1120 62]

kallend

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That is exactly why I advocate studying Scripture in the Holy Bible, then go find a church where you fit in. We can only preach Christ and Him crucified.

So why do you preach the rather hateful words of Paul?

I just paraphrased Paul. However, I know you are not aware. That's OK I don't know calculus.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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RonD1120

*********>What twisted beliefs of mine are you referring to? I am a Church of God Pentecostal.

Well, thank heavens you aren't a Pentecostal Church of God member. Because those people aren't really Christians.

I am a member of the church. You must have misread and certainly misspoke.

Unless I am very much mistaken, I think the Judean People's front is relevant here.

I never heard of them.

Here they are.

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Stumpy

******>What twisted beliefs of mine are you referring to? I am a Church of God Pentecostal.

Well, thank heavens you aren't a Pentecostal Church of God member. Because those people aren't really Christians.

I am a member of the church. You must have misread and certainly misspoke.

Unless I am very much mistaken, I think the Judean People's front is relevant here.

You mean the People's Front of Judea!

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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So why do you preach the rather hateful words of Paul?

There are 13 Epistles (letters) attributed to St. Paul’s authorship. There is some debate he may not have written all of them but that’s another debate for another time.
The letters were written in Greek. The letters served at least two purposes. 1) To answer specific questions from each church located in a different city and 2) Provide guidance on the problems, challenges etc. each church was facing. Different churches had different problems.
Did St. Paul ever think that his letters would be part of the Biblical cannon approximately two millennia later? I submit (IMHO only) that he did not. His writing reflects the cultural/societal norms of the time. Furthermore, Greek and English DO NOT directly translate; there is only the best translation.
This is not to state that St. Paul’s work is invalid to contemporary times. St. Peter and St. Paul are and remain, the two critical and crucial human figures in the establishment of the Christian Church. Their words are as relevant today as they were back then. Yet it would be disingenuous not to consider the social, cultural, historical context of which they wrote AND in the language they used (Greek for Paul, Peter may have used Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic). This is why when scripture we read and we find perplexing, controversial, hateful etc etc ad infinitum, ad nauseum, we go back to the original language, history etc etc to understand such factors at the time it was written.
So, you’re free to peruse any of the 13 Epistles and specifically cite what “hateful” words St. Paul has used. Best wishes in the search.

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RonD1120

If it would ease your tension, let me also state that I personally know some Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Methodists and Baptists who are Christians.

And I personally know a number of self-professed "Christians" who completely ignore the teachings of Jesus as found in Matthew 5-7.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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kallend

***If it would ease your tension, let me also state that I personally know some Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Methodists and Baptists who are Christians.

And I personally know a number of self-professed "Christians" who completely ignore the teachings of Jesus as found in Matthew 5-7.

I think you are beginning to understand.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Stumpy 284]

quade

*********>What twisted beliefs of mine are you referring to? I am a Church of God Pentecostal.

Well, thank heavens you aren't a Pentecostal Church of God member. Because those people aren't really Christians.

I am a member of the church. You must have misread and certainly misspoke.

Unless I am very much mistaken, I think the Judean People's front is relevant here.

You mean the People's Front of Judea!

nah - the popular people's front of Judea.

Splitters.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[Stumpy 284]

Its a reference to "the Life of Brian" by Monty Python.

You should watch it some time.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[masterblaster72 0]

RonD1120

That is exactly why I advocate studying Scripture in the Holy Bible, then go find a church where you fit in. We can only preach Christ and Him crucified.

Sure, and if I studied scripture I might have just a slightly different take than you do and decide that the International Church of Christ is exactly where I fit in. Then I would think that you're going to burn in eternal hellfire for not believing what I believe, just as you would believe about me. Just as a member of the Worldwide Church of God would believe about both of us, just as a Jehovah's Witness would believe about all of the above.

Obviously someone is fucking up. Do you really think this is what Jesus intended?

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[quade 4]

Stumpy

Its a reference to "the Life of Brian" by Monty Python.

You should watch it some time.

If he does, I'd like him to live stream the experience on Skype or something so we can watch him watching it.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[RonD1120 62]

masterblaster72

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That is exactly why I advocate studying Scripture in the Holy Bible, then go find a church where you fit in. We can only preach Christ and Him crucified.

Sure, and if I studied scripture I might have just a slightly different take than you do and decide that the International Church of Christ is exactly where I fit in. Then I would think that you're going to burn in eternal hellfire for not believing what I believe, just as you would believe about me. Just as a member of the Worldwide Church of God would believe about both of us, just as a Jehovah's Witness would believe about all of the above.

Obviously someone is fucking up. Do you really think this is what Jesus intended?

Basic Christian Beliefs:

There is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8; John 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:5-6; Galatians 4:8-9).
God is three in one or a Trinity (Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; John 14:16-17; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Acts 2:32-33, John 10:30,17:11, 21; 1 Peter 1:2).
God is omniscient or "knows all things" (Acts 15:18; 1 John 3:20).
God is omnipotent or "all powerful" (Psalm 115:3; Revelation 19:6).
God is omnipresent or "present everywhere" (Jeremiah 23:23, 24; Psalm 139).
God is sovereign (Zechariah 9:14; 1 Timothy 6:15-16).
God is holy (1 Peter 1:15).
God is just or "righteous" (Psalm 19:9, 116:5, 145:17; Jeremiah 12:1).
God is love (1 John 4:8).
God is true (Romans 3:4; John 14:6).
God is spirit (John 4:24).
God is the creator of everything that exists (Genesis 1:1; Isaiah 44:24).
God is infinite and eternal. He has always been God (Psalm 90:2; Genesis 21:33; Acts 17:24).
God is immutable. He does not change (James 1:17; Malachi 3:6; Isaiah 46:9-10).
The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 2:11-12; 2 Corinthians 13:14).
Jesus Christ is God (John 1:1, 14, 10:30-33, 20:28; Colossians 2:9; Philippians 2:5-8; Hebrews 1:8).
Jesus became a man (Philippians 2:1-11).
Jesus is fully God and fully man (Colossians 2:9; 1 Timothy 2:5; Hebrews 4:15; 2 Corinthians 5:21).
Jesus was sinless (1 Peter 2:22; Hebrews 4:15).
Jesus is the only way to God the Father (John 14:6; Matthew 11:27; Luke 10:22).
Man was created by God in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27).
All people have sinned (Romans 3:23, 5:12).
Death came into the world through Adam's sin (Romans 5:12-15).
Sin separates us from God (Isaiah 59:2).
Jesus died for the sins of each and every person in the world (1 John 2:2; 2 Corinthians 5:14; 1 Peter 2:24).
Jesus' death was a substitutionary sacrifice. He died and paid the price for our sins, so that we might live. (1 Peter 2:24; Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45).
Jesus resurrected from the dead in physical form (John 2:19-21).
Salvation is a free gift of God (Romans 4:5, 6:23; Ephesians 2:8-9; 1 John 1:8-10).
The Bible is the "inspired" or "God-breathed," Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21).
Those who reject Jesus Christ will go to hell forever after they die (Revelation 20:11-15, 21:8).
Those who accept Jesus Christ will live for eternity with him after they die (John 11:25, 26; 2 Corinthians 5:6).
Hell is a place of punishment (Matthew 25:41, 46; Revelation 19:20).
Hell is eternal (Matthew 25:46).
There will be a rapture of the church (Matthew 24:30-36, 40-41; John 14:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:51-52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12).
Jesus will return to the earth (Acts 1:11).
Christians will be raised from the dead when Jesus returns (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17).
There will be a final judgment (Hebrews 9:27; 2 Peter 3:7).
Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).
God will create a new heaven and a new earth (2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1).

In my counseling framework, I reduce it even further to expedite interaction.

Do you believe in the deity of Jesus Christ of Nazareth?
Do you accept His virgin birth?
Do you believe in His atoning death as a propitiation for your sin?
Do you believe He was resurrected from the dead and is alive now?
Do you confess Jesus Christ of Nazareth as your Lord and Savior?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

quade

***Its a reference to "the Life of Brian" by Monty Python.

You should watch it some time.

If he does, I'd like him to live stream the experience on Skype or something so we can watch him watching it.

Probably much the same as Jesus.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[quade 4]

RonD1120

******Its a reference to "the Life of Brian" by Monty Python.
You should watch it some time.

If he does, I'd like him to live stream the experience on Skype or something so we can watch him watching it.
Probably much the same as Jesus.

Then watch it. It's hilarious and top notch satire.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Stumpy 284]

RonD1120

******Its a reference to "the Life of Brian" by Monty Python.

You should watch it some time.

If he does, I'd like him to live stream the experience on Skype or something so we can watch him watching it.

Probably much the same as Jesus.

I hope so. I genuinely think you would enjoy it.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[billvon 3,090]

>Unless I am very much mistaken, I think the Judean People's front is relevant here.

But see, they're not real Judeans. Only the People's Front of Judea are the real Judeans. Although to be fair there are a few people in the Judean Popular People's Front who are Judeans.

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RonD1120

******
That is exactly why I advocate studying Scripture in the Holy Bible, then go find a church where you fit in. We can only preach Christ and Him crucified.

Sure, and if I studied scripture I might have just a slightly different take than you do and decide that the International Church of Christ is exactly where I fit in. Then I would think that you're going to burn in eternal hellfire for not believing what I believe, just as you would believe about me. Just as a member of the Worldwide Church of God would believe about both of us, just as a Jehovah's Witness would believe about all of the above.

Obviously someone is fucking up. Do you really think this is what Jesus intended?

Basic Christian Beliefs:

There is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8; John 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:5-6; Galatians 4:8-9).
God is three in one or a Trinity (Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; John 14:16-17; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Acts 2:32-33, John 10:30,17:11, 21; 1 Peter 1:2).
God is omniscient or "knows all things" (Acts 15:18; 1 John 3:20).
God is omnipotent or "all powerful" (Psalm 115:3; Revelation 19:6).
God is omnipresent or "present everywhere" (Jeremiah 23:23, 24; Psalm 139).
God is sovereign (Zechariah 9:14; 1 Timothy 6:15-16).
God is holy (1 Peter 1:15).
God is just or "righteous" (Psalm 19:9, 116:5, 145:17; Jeremiah 12:1).
God is love (1 John 4:8).
God is true (Romans 3:4; John 14:6).
God is spirit (John 4:24).
God is the creator of everything that exists (Genesis 1:1; Isaiah 44:24).
God is infinite and eternal. He has always been God (Psalm 90:2; Genesis 21:33; Acts 17:24).
God is immutable. He does not change (James 1:17; Malachi 3:6; Isaiah 46:9-10).
The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 2:11-12; 2 Corinthians 13:14).
Jesus Christ is God (John 1:1, 14, 10:30-33, 20:28; Colossians 2:9; Philippians 2:5-8; Hebrews 1:8).
Jesus became a man (Philippians 2:1-11).
Jesus is fully God and fully man (Colossians 2:9; 1 Timothy 2:5; Hebrews 4:15; 2 Corinthians 5:21).
Jesus was sinless (1 Peter 2:22; Hebrews 4:15).
Jesus is the only way to God the Father (John 14:6; Matthew 11:27; Luke 10:22).
Man was created by God in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27).
All people have sinned (Romans 3:23, 5:12).
Death came into the world through Adam's sin (Romans 5:12-15).
Sin separates us from God (Isaiah 59:2).
Jesus died for the sins of each and every person in the world (1 John 2:2; 2 Corinthians 5:14; 1 Peter 2:24).
Jesus' death was a substitutionary sacrifice. He died and paid the price for our sins, so that we might live. (1 Peter 2:24; Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45).
Jesus resurrected from the dead in physical form (John 2:19-21).
Salvation is a free gift of God (Romans 4:5, 6:23; Ephesians 2:8-9; 1 John 1:8-10).
The Bible is the "inspired" or "God-breathed," Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21).
Those who reject Jesus Christ will go to hell forever after they die (Revelation 20:11-15, 21:8).
Those who accept Jesus Christ will live for eternity with him after they die (John 11:25, 26; 2 Corinthians 5:6).
Hell is a place of punishment (Matthew 25:41, 46; Revelation 19:20).
Hell is eternal (Matthew 25:46).
There will be a rapture of the church (Matthew 24:30-36, 40-41; John 14:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:51-52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12).
Jesus will return to the earth (Acts 1:11).
Christians will be raised from the dead when Jesus returns (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17).
There will be a final judgment (Hebrews 9:27; 2 Peter 3:7).
Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).
God will create a new heaven and a new earth (2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1).

In my counseling framework, I reduce it even further to expedite interaction.

Do you believe in the deity of Jesus Christ of Nazareth?
Do you accept His virgin birth?
Do you believe in His atoning death as a propitiation for your sin?
Do you believe He was resurrected from the dead and is alive now?
Do you confess Jesus Christ of Nazareth as your Lord and Savior?

I'm sure you're familiar with the fundamental problem that the Bible can be interpreted in numerous ways -- that's how we have all these Christian splinter groups to begin with. Your particular group is a result of just one interpretation. Being that you believe he's still alive, do you really think Jesus is pleased with all this chaos and division in his name?

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.