billvon 3,110 #1 April 17, 2014 . . . what reactions here would be to the following events. An illegal alien refuses to recognize the authority of the US Federal Government to deport him. When INS officers show up, he calls all his friends, and they all show up with guns to keep the INS officers away from him. Local businesses receive anonymous threats that there will be violence if this continues. There are minor altercations in town when INS officials are harassed by the alien's supporters. A charismatic, outspoken Muslim refuses to pay his federal taxes, threatening a "war" if anyone tries to force him to pay. Armed radical Muslims then block a major highway and hold up banners saying "We stand against corrupt governments and stand for Allah." One of leaders is quoted as saying "put all the women up at the front. If they're gonna start shooting, it's going to be women that are gonna be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers." Does anyone here doubt that the right wingers on this board would advocate arresting such people with as much prejudice as possible? Or that they would fantasize that they were killed during the arrest? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #2 April 17, 2014 What are the financial interests of Harry Reid or John Boehner in each scenario?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #3 April 17, 2014 RonD1120What are the financial interests of Harry Reid or John Boehner in each scenario? BINGO! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 April 17, 2014 It is obvious Bill to what thread you are relating this to. As well as to who in that thread (which is anyone you don’t agree with) But I think you are missing the point, big picture, whole scenario, whatever. You try to make your point by over simplifying the issue. This is NOT a right wing vs left wing issue IMO This is a we the people vs an over reaching government issue. I do not know all the facts yet. I doubt anyone here does. But this whole thing stinks Just 35 miles from Mr. Bundy’s farm (dirty) Harry Reid was in a photo op (this March) breaking ground with a chi com company to build a solar farm on the land I find this interesting (right now) when this is looked at in the context of other stories going back to 2012 regarding Reid and his cronies and this land. So, I think there is a possibility that more is yet to come out. The BLM just claimed control of this land in 1993. This was done under the cover of the endangered species act. From where did they get the authority to just claim control of this land? Or any land for that matter. (there may be a law for this but I have yet to see it) The other issue is that the Bundy’s did not show a force threat. The BLM and its thugs did. To claim otherwise (just based on Bundy’s rhetorical comments is disingenuous at best) How about the federal thugs setting up free speech zones? WTF??? The government can now define where free speech is allowable? Really? You got no problem with this? The other issue I have with this debate is your position of lawlessness Ok, I get that. But your gnashing of the teeth over this rings hollow because you do not seem to care that Obama has broken the law over 20 times when it comes to the ACA Just some observation Bill I am sure I will be excoriated over my comments here"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #5 April 17, 2014 In your examples, the government isn't stealing anyone's property and trying to resell it in a market that no other owner of similar property will buy it, nor will the governor of those areas stop the export of said property, nor pay someone a large sum of money to steal the property and destroy other property while stealing. There's no comparison in my mind. I'm still pretty sure we're not hearing the whole story in this situation on the ranch. I cannot believe media much, nor the government. Maybe we're starting to have enough of our controlling government and this is one of the straws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #6 April 17, 2014 normiss In your examples, the government isn't stealing anyone's property and trying to resell it in a market that no other owner of similar property will buy it, nor will the governor of those areas stop the export of said property, nor pay someone a large sum of money to steal the property and destroy other property while stealing. There's no comparison in my mind. I'm still pretty sure we're not hearing the whole story in this situation on the ranch. I cannot believe media much, nor the government. Maybe we're starting to have enough of our controlling government and this is one of the straws. Well, I think it worth pointing out that Bundy will pay the state of Nevada for grazing his cattle, he just feels that paying the FED is not appropriate as it is a State Rights issue to him. The State of Nevada is a sovereign state the Feds have no right to be designating State Land as Federal property. (well I might have that wrong, but I believe that has been his argument). As for the illegal alien...they should be deported and any illegal alien showing up with guns should be meet with appropriate force as they are foreign nationals taking up arms against the United States. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #7 April 17, 2014 'Does anyone here doubt that the right wingers on this board would advocate arresting such people with as much prejudice as possible? Or that they would fantasize that they were killed during the arrest?' ======================================== Where would dropzone.com be if billvon wasn't blaming right wingers for all the worlds evil deeds on a daily basis? Just to let you know...all politicians are liars. But it's so nice for you to demonize only one party over and over again. So predictable its pathetic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #8 April 17, 2014 It seems here on this site, the red vs. blue battle is beyond retardation. It's childish. Blaming each other for OUR issues is just insane. We have let our government go to far, no matter which side of the room they're on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 April 17, 2014 normissI cannot believe media much, nor the government. So, who DO you trust?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #10 April 17, 2014 RonD1120What are the financial interests of Harry Reid or John Boehner in each scenario? Who knows. The fact that a former aid of Reid's is now the head of the BLM! Hmmmmm.... Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #11 April 17, 2014 I didn't say anything about trust. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #12 April 17, 2014 You do know that this theory has been debunked several times over by now, don't you? Reid's solar farm was to be built in Laughlin which is to the SOUTH of Vegas, whereas Bundy is to the NORTH, about 3 hours drive away http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/nevada.asp How about a Local news source? http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/apr/17/facts-disprove-conspiracy-theory-about-sen-harry-r/ How about something more conservative? From BrietBart QuoteDespite the obvious partisan gain to be had if Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s son Rory (a failed 2010 Nevada gubernatorial candidate) had somehow been involved in a “land grab” affecting the Bundy family ranch operation—the facts just do not pan out as such. Indeed, Rory Reid did in fact have a hand in plans to reclassify federal lands for renewable energy developments. Just northeast of Las Vegas and Nellis Air Force Base, plans were drawn by Reid allies to potentially develop 5,717 acres of land for such use. While it would be fair to claim that such activity was in Bundy’s relative neighborhood, the federal lands once leased by the family were more than 20 miles away, east of Overton, Nevada. Contrasting maps offered by InfoWars and those entered into federal court record prove such a theory to be a stretch. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/The-Saga-of-Bundy-RanchI promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #13 April 18, 2014 Yes, I knew that. All I said was; "Who knows?" Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 April 18, 2014 masterrigYes, I knew that. All I said was; "Who knows?" Then maybe you should reconsider how you're approaching the entire story. If you "know" something, pretend you don't by repeating what is false, then are you approaching the discussion honestly? You seem to be more concerned with an internet debate stalling tactic than the truth.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #15 April 18, 2014 normiss I didn't say anything about trust. Gaaah! Wrong answer! Now yer sleepin onna couch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #16 April 18, 2014 Good god! I have seen a bunch of stories saying yes and a bunch of stories saying no. That's why I said what I did. If you think I'm going to believe some politician, you're dead wrong. Believe what you want. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #17 April 18, 2014 masterrigGood god! I have seen a bunch of stories saying yes and a bunch of stories saying no. That's why I said what I did. If you think I'm going to believe some politician, you're dead wrong. Believe what you want. Chuck Are you believing everything you see on the internet? Every reliable source is saying that this isn't true."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 379 #18 April 18, 2014 Quote I cannot believe media much, nor the government. normiss I didn't say anything about trust. Sure you did. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #19 April 18, 2014 wolfriverjoe***Good god! I have seen a bunch of stories saying yes and a bunch of stories saying no. That's why I said what I did. If you think I'm going to believe some politician, you're dead wrong. Believe what you want. Chuck Are you believing everything you see on the internet? Every reliable source is saying that this isn't true. That's where everybody on here is getting their information! I'd like you to name these 'reliable sources' Seems like I'm just not finding one. To me, the media is the media is the media... they're all slanted, twisted and contrived. Are the only 'reliable' sources the one's that protect Harry Reid? We all know he's hip deep in green energy. All I said was; "Who knows?" sheeeesh! I found several sources that said Harry Reid's son, a big-time lawyer in Las Vegas, was representing a Chinese group who the Reid's were pushing to build a huge solar power plant in the area of the Bundy ranch. The Chinese pulled-out of the deal stating they felt the area was not ready for such a plant. The deal fell through, thus de-bunked. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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