mpohl 1 #1 April 13, 2014 In 1980, David Koch ran as the Libertarian Party’s vice-presidential candidate in 1980. Let’s take a look at the 1980 Libertarian Party platform. Here are just a few excerpts of the Libertarian Party platform that David Koch ran on in 1980: “We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.” “We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.” “We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.” “We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.” “We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.” “We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.” “We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.” “We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.” “As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.” “We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.” “We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.” “We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.” “We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.” “We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.” “We support abolition of the Department of Energy.” “We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.” “We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.” “We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.” “We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.” “We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.” “We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.” “We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.” “We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.” “We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.” “We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.” “We support the repeal of all state usury laws.” In other words, the agenda of the Koch brothers is not only to defund Obamacare. The agenda of the Koch brothers is to repeal every major piece of legislation that has been signed into law over the past 80 years that has protected the middle class, the elderly, the children, the sick, and the most vulnerable in this country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #2 April 13, 2014 >What do the Koch brothers want? To make as much money as possible. Given their industry, organizations like the EPA, the Department of Energy and Department of Transportation reduce the amount of money they can make. Thus they advocate the abolition of those groups. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpohl 1 #3 April 13, 2014 And all the other proposals (abolishing public education, social programs, etc. etc.) are to create an un-informed proletariat, and thus "slave race", to work for pennies a day at their factories. Those guys should have been run out-of-town a long time ago. billvon>What do the Koch brothers want? To make as much money as possible. Given their industry, organizations like the EPA, the Department of Energy and Department of Transportation reduce the amount of money they can make. Thus they advocate the abolition of those groups. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #4 April 13, 2014 >And all the other proposals (abolishing public education, social programs, etc. >etc.) are to create an un-informed proletariat, and thus "slave race", to work for >pennies a day at their factories. I think it's more to reduce taxes - again so they can make more money. I suspect they just never think about what those changes mean to society, and would rather have the short term financial gains. As always Hanlon's Razor likely applies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpohl 1 #5 April 13, 2014 You are very benevolent in your interpretation of their motives. But even if I were to agree with your interpretation, which I do not, their proposed actions would bring diminished opportunities, suffering, and death to countless individuals. All in the name of profit! billvon>And all the other proposals (abolishing public education, social programs, etc. >etc.) are to create an un-informed proletariat, and thus "slave race", to work for >pennies a day at their factories. I think it's more to reduce taxes - again so they can make more money. I suspect they just never think about what those changes mean to society, and would rather have the short term financial gains. As always Hanlon's Razor likely applies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #6 April 13, 2014 billvon>And all the other proposals (abolishing public education, social programs, etc. >etc.) are to create an un-informed proletariat, and thus "slave race", to work for >pennies a day at their factories. I think it's more to reduce taxes - again so they can make more money. I suspect they just never think about what those changes mean to society, and would rather have the short term financial gains. As always Hanlon's Razor likely applies. Didn't "Roller Ball" come out about that time.... I think they want that future for America since it fits their mindset. Choose your corporation colors to wear now... it will be all the rage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpohl 1 #7 April 13, 2014 Unfortunately, I think you are right on track. In the future, at least in America, wars will be among corporations. And that's why I am thankful for Russia, China, India, the EU. And any other country which offers a different, if ever so slightly, outlook. Amazon Didn't "Roller Ball" come out about that time.... I think they want that future for America since it fits their mindset. Choose your corporation colors to wear now... it will be all the rage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpohl 1 #8 April 14, 2014 Also. Look at the Albrecht brothers in Germany. They are worth a combined $50B. Ok, Koch brothers are at $80B. But what is a $30B difference among friends?:) They don't drive any ridiculous self-serving agenda, like the Koch terrorists. P.S.: That's how I like my oligarchs. "During World War II, Theodor was conscripted into the Wehrmacht where Theodor served with Rommel’s Afrika Korps in an army division.[13] During WWII Theodor was captured by the Americans in Tunisia as a prisoner of war, but in 1946 he returned to Germany.[14] It was said that his humble and harsh childhood formed Theodor’s early appreciation for the value of money. Theodor’s kidnapping in 1971 partially gives reason for his and the family’s hermit-like manner of existence. The kidnapping left an impact on Theodor’s private concerns, causing him to drive to work using a different route every day in an armored automobile. Little is known about Theodor Albrecht and the Albrecht family’s personal life. The Albrecht family are known to be very reclusive and described by Forbes as ‘more reclusive than the yeti’.[15] Characterized by their privacy, Theodor has rarely been pictured by photographers and he has never made a public statement. He was also claimed to be a devout Roman Catholic.[16] Theodor and his brother Karl were once said to own an island located in the North Sea where they would indulge in their hobbies such as golf and pastimes including the collecting of antique typewriters.[17] Theodor and the Albrecht family, keeping out of the public spotlight are known to own highly secured estates overlooking the Ruhr valley. Claimed as being obsessed with frugality, it was said that Theodor collected and used pencil stubs frequently. He was also known to wear cheaper, poorly fitted suits and preferred plain meals with many potatoes.[18] When he was asked to approve the plans for a new store in Holland, he stated that the design was good but the paper it was drawn on was too thick: "If you use thinner paper we will save money." [19] Both Albrecht brothers have been reported by journalists to be highly reclusive; very little is known about their personal lives. The last published photo of Theo Albrecht dates to 1971, one day after his kidnapping. Another photo of the two Albrecht brothers together was taken in 1987 by journalist Franz Ruch.[20]" Didn't "Roller Ball" come out about that time.... I think they want that future for America since it fits their mindset. Choose your corporation colors to wear now... it will be all the rage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #9 April 14, 2014 billvon>What do the Koch brothers want? >Thus they advocate the abolition of those groups<. Ohh That means they are for more freedoms That is a good thing Thanks for sharing"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 April 14, 2014 billvon>And all the other proposals (abolishing public education, social programs, etc. >etc.) are to create an un-informed proletariat, and thus "slave race", to work for >pennies a day at their factories. I think it's more to reduce taxes - again so they can make more money. I suspect they just never think about what those changes mean to society, and would rather have the short term financial gains. As always Hanlon's Razor likely applies. Do you have cameras in people bathrooms and hallways? Rally Bill????? Are you so much of a mind reader you can just say this kind of crap and think it means something? You really cant even claim this based on their actions or words Come on Bill I know you are better than this"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #11 April 14, 2014 >Are you so much of a mind reader you can just say this kind of crap and think it >means something? Nope. And if you want to believe that the Koch brothers hate minorities and clean air, go for it. You can believe whatever you like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,114 #12 April 14, 2014 billvon>And all the other proposals (abolishing public education, social programs, etc. >etc.) are to create an un-informed proletariat, and thus "slave race", to work for >pennies a day at their factories. I think it's more to reduce taxes - again so they can make more money. I suspect they just never think about what those changes mean to society, and would rather have the short term financial gains. As always Hanlon's Razor likely applies. Oh, I don't think it's stupidity except in their followers. I think "Follow the money" is more likely.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites