kallend 2,150
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Quote...at least until now there was a pretext of "The People" being in control.
Is the pretext a fact or of one's assumptions, biases etc? Big money operates on both sides so if you're going to vilify the Koch brothers, then an equal dose of indignation goes for George Soros and I think you can do that all in one breath.
I might agree that a larger cache of political contributions favors a probable election victory by a given candidate, but probability is NOT a guarantee. Remember, David slayed Goliath, not with raw massive power but focused tactics and creativity.
billvon 3,119
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DanGQuoteWho's being naive now Dan? I don't see any difference.
I don't think I follow your point.
Honestly I don't see any difference between a $2 million campaign donation and a bribe. But that is true now. I was trying to throw a Godfather reference in there.
"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"
kallend 2,150
If ever there were any doubt that the GOP is the party of the super-rich, that is now cast aside.
The fraction of the nation's wealth owned by the 0.01% has been rising steadily for decades, while the fraction owned by the bottom 99% has declined.
The fraction of the nation's wealth owned by the 0.01% has been rising steadily for decades, while the fraction owned by the bottom 99% has declined.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 2,150
billvonOne liners or posts consisting purely of smileys will result in a ban if you keep it up. Your one warning.
Is that a new forum rule? I don't see it in Sangiro's 4 rules or in the forum stickys.
rushmc 23
kallendIf ever there were any doubt that the GOP is the party of the super-rich, that is now cast aside.
The fraction of the nation's wealth owned by the 0.01% has been rising steadily for decades, while the fraction owned by the bottom 99% has declined.
You got everything right but the party
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/31/party-of-the-rich-in-congress-its-the-democrats/
And by the way
why do you want the incumbents to have the leg up on elections?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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kallend***One liners or posts consisting purely of smileys will result in a ban if you keep it up. Your one warning.
Is that a new forum rule? I don't see it in Sangiro's 4 rules or in the forum stickys.
Look right there... 2 one-liners.
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Rob
Rob
quadeWe have just been royally screwed by the 1%.
"Just been?" We've been getting screwed by the 1% for at least a couple of decades now.
Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.
DanG
Goodbye third parties. Goodbye new ideas. Goodbye America.
Exactly. It's been apparent for some time, but now things have taken a rather brazen turn.
Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.
masterblaster72*** We have just been royally screwed by the 1%.
"Just been?" We've been getting screwed by the 1% for at least a couple of decades now.
Whereas in the 19th Century they would send us a basket of muffins every Sunday.
Andy9o8 2
QuoteIf I'm a Christian God
You live in America, Jerry - you can be any kind of god you want.
As long as it's Christian.
Andy9o8QuoteIf I'm a Christian God
You live in America, Jerry - you can be any kind of god you want.
As long as it's Christian.
and male, and white.
rushmc 23
kelpdiver***
QuoteIf I'm a Christian God
You live in America, Jerry - you can be any kind of god you want.
As long as it's Christian.
and male, and white.
ah yes
We got all the evils of the US in no less than two posts
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
You do know that what you decry here is nothing new
As I have stated before, all this ruling does is level the field a bit
consider this
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/04/10/Unions-Candidates-Secret-Questionnaires-Elections-California-Pledges
As I have stated before, all this ruling does is level the field a bit
consider this
QuoteUnions Demand Candidates Sign Secret Pledges, Questionnaires
QuoteThe state’s largest public employee unions have perfected the art of controlling state government--in fact, when you look at how they do it, it’s really more of a science.
These unions have literally have purchased the governance of the state with the vast sum of money they spend to achieve their political goals. A quick online search revealed that from 2003 to 2012, the state’s most dominant public employee unions--the California Teachers Association (CTA) and the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) (representing state workers)--have together spent a stunning $214,022,424.00 either directly on candidate, independent expenditure or ballot measure campaigns. That staggering dollar amount more than doubles if you add in money they spent in lobbying the legislature.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/04/10/Unions-Candidates-Secret-Questionnaires-Elections-California-Pledges
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
NewGuy2005 53
rushmc******
QuoteIf I'm a Christian God
You live in America, Jerry - you can be any kind of god you want.
As long as it's Christian.
and male, and white.
ah yes
We got all the evils of the US in no less than two posts
He missed one: From the South.
rushmc
"These unions have literally have purchased the governance of the state with the vast sum of money they spend to achieve their political goals. A quick online search revealed that from 2003 to 2012, the state’s most dominant public employee unions--the California Teachers Association (CTA) and the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) (representing state workers)--have together spent a stunning $214,022,424.00 either directly on candidate, independent expenditure or ballot measure campaigns. That staggering dollar amount more than doubles if you add in money they spent in lobbying the legislature. "
It's a bit less staggering when you do the simple math of dividing by 10. $20 million per year funds 1/8th of a single Meg Whitman campaign for governor.
rushmc 23
kelpdiver***
"These unions have literally have purchased the governance of the state with the vast sum of money they spend to achieve their political goals. A quick online search revealed that from 2003 to 2012, the state’s most dominant public employee unions--the California Teachers Association (CTA) and the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) (representing state workers)--have together spent a stunning $214,022,424.00 either directly on candidate, independent expenditure or ballot measure campaigns. That staggering dollar amount more than doubles if you add in money they spent in lobbying the legislature. "
It's a bit less staggering when you do the simple math of dividing by 10. $20 million per year funds 1/8th of a single Meg Whitman campaign for governor.
Ok
I guess if we add the lobbying money, 20 M a year for state political cash is chump change?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Amazon 7
rushmc***
It's a bit less staggering when you do the simple math of dividing by 10. $20 million per year funds 1/8th of a single Meg Whitman campaign for governor.
Ok
I guess if we add the lobbying money, 20 M a year for state political cash is chump change?
To repeat, since you missed it. One person spent $160 million for a single elective office in California in one year. So $20M for every single office is exactly what you say. This isn't Wyoming where that money would let you buy every vote.
rushmc 23
kelpdiver******
It's a bit less staggering when you do the simple math of dividing by 10. $20 million per year funds 1/8th of a single Meg Whitman campaign for governor.
Ok
I guess if we add the lobbying money, 20 M a year for state politic[url]al cash is chump change?
To repeat, since you missed it. One person spent $160 million for a single elective office in California in one year. So $20M for every single office is exactly what you say. This isn't Wyoming where that money would let you buy every vote. In case you missed it, the 40 million we are are talking are recycled tax dollars.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
SkyDekker 1,465
So your contention is that Unions have been buying elections, therefor the solution is that other parties should be allowed to buy elections?
rushmc 23
SkyDekkerSo your contention is that Unions have been buying elections, therefor the solution is that other parties should be allowed to buy elections?
You can say it any way you want (and I know you will)
All I am saying is that the ruling just leveled the field a bit
also
These campain finance laws should really be called incumbent protection laws as that is why congress passed them in the first place
What is even more disgusting is puplic sector unions being able spend ANY money on canidates or campains, let alone lobby
The Dems give them (the unions) what they want knowing full well they will get even more tax dollars back from them the next time around
Slickest money laundering skeem ever
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
SkyDekker 1,465
Fair enough.
I would have hoped for a solution where these contributions would be severaly limited. In all forms.
Your upset that (according to you) only one side can buy elections. I am upset elections can be bought at all.
I would have hoped for a solution where these contributions would be severaly limited. In all forms.
Your upset that (according to you) only one side can buy elections. I am upset elections can be bought at all.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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