7 million Americans sign up for the ACA.

[airdvr 210]

GeorgiaDon

Well, all I can say is I hope it all works out for you. Seriously.

Don

Not for me...

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[kallend 2,148]

futuredivot

Apparently you are avoiding the question...of course I'm still wondering if you take steps to minimize your tax bill and that question is like four or five years unanswered now.

(1) It was a stupid question to which I could not possibly have known or be expected to know the answer,

(2) Not relevant to the thread, and

(3) Not my fault if you have a poor memory.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Bolas 5]

kallend

(1) It was a stupid question to which I could not possibly have known or be expected to know the answer,

You don't know how you feel? You have no opinion?

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John:

* Do you feel that richravizza and his family were included in that 7 8 million statistic?
* if yes, do you feel they should have been?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[kallend 2,148]

Bolas

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(1) It was a stupid question to which I could not possibly have known or be expected to know the answer,

You don't know how you feel? You have no opinion?

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John:

* Do you feel that richravizza and his family were included in that 7 8 million statistic?
* if yes, do you feel they should have been?

Feelings have no relevance to facts.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[airdvr 210]

kallend

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(1) It was a stupid question to which I could not possibly have known or be expected to know the answer,

You don't know how you feel? You have no opinion?

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John:

* Do you feel that richravizza and his family were included in that 7 8 million statistic?
* if yes, do you feel they should have been?

Feelings have no relevance to facts.

i always knew you were a Vulcan!

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[rehmwa 2]

mpohl

Why does the US insist on being exceptionally uncivilized and abducting responsibility to its own citizenry?

So ignoring the nationalistic bumper sticker tripe for a moment...those darn americans



So the assumption - 'civilized' vs "individual responsibility" are inversely correlated?

it certainly provides a lot of insight to the discussions around here for sure.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Amazon 7]

rehmwa

***Why does the US insist on being exceptionally uncivilized and abducting responsibility to its own citizenry?

So ignoring the nationalistic bumper sticker tripe for a moment...those darn americans



So the assumption - 'civilized' vs "individual responsibility" are inversely correlated?

it certainly provides a lot of insight to the discussions around here for sure.

I pray that someday, those of my fellow Americans who stylize themselves as following individual responsibility could find it within themselves to actually follow the precepts of the one they supposedly follow and worship who tried so hard to teach mankind how to live with one another in a civilized manner.

[rehmwa 2]

Amazon

I pray that someday, those of my fellow Americans who stylize themselves as following individual responsibility could find it within themselves to actually follow the precepts of the one they supposedly follow and worship who tried so hard to teach mankind how to live with one another in a civilized manner.

the one they supposedly follow....Douglas Adams?


(individuals choosing to be kind and sharing and civilized is a much different condition than political and governmental power games raping the public under a false pretense of same. Frankly, the second is counterproductive to the first)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Amazon 7]

rehmwa

***I pray that someday, those of my fellow Americans who stylize themselves as following individual responsibility could find it within themselves to actually follow the precepts of the one they supposedly follow and worship who tried so hard to teach mankind how to live with one another in a civilized manner.

the one they supposedly follow....Douglas Adams?


(individuals choosing to be kind and sharing and civilized is a much different condition than political and governmental power games raping the public under a false pretense of same. Frankly, the second is counterproductive to the first)

Pretty much,

The false pretensers abound

[richravizza 28]

The wife and I have made quit the Effort about 9 hours total. 3hrs each time, 3 times to comply w/ the ACA.
I'm self employed, had an individual market plan and lost it Jan.1, 14
For three months,We tried.
We have to have health ins.
Three times there was Always a Problem.Dead line after dead line.
On 3/15 we finished the verification and Chose a Plan.
"As of 4/1/14 You are insured."

We never rec'd an invoice,So we called, because of the dead line.
They informed my wife,that we could have payed Over the Phone,"didn't your rep tell you" NO, "and its too late to make the Payment now next enrollment is Oct."
I wish I had Printed the page that said;
"as of 4/1/14 you are insured"

So now What?

We will go without Insurance till Oct.the next enrollment.

GO to an open market Plan without the subsidy,
My Old $550 plan is at $850-1250 a month.
I am Fucked.

[normiss 895]

Don't expect many here to actually believe you.
The politicians say it's working, isn't that enough?



My kids are in the same situation too.

[mirage62 0]

I have offered to give everyone in the company the same amount of money we have been paying for health insurance. We pay 100%

I asked all to go to healthcare.gov and review the plans that they can get.

Interestingly - every young person thinks this is a great idea. The middle age don't like it but would do it, the four older people with poor health HATE it.

THEN people started looking at the plan area.....now they all hate it.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[DanG 1]

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THEN people started looking at the plan area.....now they all hate it.

Or they all realized that you want them to say they hate it.

Did you really take a poll after people looked at the prices, but before they looked at the coverage, and then another poll after they looked at the coverage? Color me doubtful.

- Dan G

[normiss 895]

I still think there is a large portion of folks that feel they cannot afford it.
Some cannot.

[DanG 1]

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I still think there is a large portion of folks that feel they cannot afford it.
Some cannot.

I think you're right. Healthcare is too expensive, which drives the price of health insurance up. We need to reduce healthcare costs, and the ACA does not do enough in that regard. It does do some things which might be effective, but not enough in my opinion. Getting rid of the fee for service model is the big ticket item.

- Dan G

[mirage62 0]

Hey DanG I don't really give a rats ass what you are colored.

We have paid 100% for employee insurance since around 1975 and personally for a company of 28 I'm damn proud of that.

As a company we have discussed it, but I will make the final decision.

And for what's it worth, the ones that are having the biggest problem are the ones with a previous problem YES they can't be turn down but their rates are a higher A LOT HIGHER than others.

So you make your smart ass comments, and you blindly support Obama care - but it has fucking problems and it needs work.

Piss ant comments like that are why this country can't get shit done FHB

Edit to add - I asked them to discuss AFTER they had research it all. Btw the average tenure is +15 years, these people are more family than someone like you could possibly understand. Making a profit is important, taking care of the people that have taken care if you is MORE important BUT you have to stay in business to do any if that.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[DanG 1]

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Hey DanG I don't really give a rats ass what you are colored.

Likewise.

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So you make your smart ass comments, and you blindly support Obama care - but it has fucking problems and it needs work.

I don't blindly support shit. I know it has problems, learn to read.

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Piss ant comments like that are why this country can't get shit done FHB

Give me a fucking break.

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Edit to add - I asked them to discuss AFTER they had research it all. Btw the average tenure is +15 years, these people are more family than someone like you could possibly understand.

"Someone like me?" You don't know me, chief, and for that I'm glad.

- Dan G

[mirage62 0]

ROTFLOL chief you haven't had an original idea on this board.

You jumped in here basically saying that I was lying, or that had forced a conclusion. I'm calling BS on that,oh and your right I'm glad you don't know me but many on here do.

ACA is a start to fixing a problem but it is flawed, you've even said as much in this thread.

It has help some people, but as of now -TODAY-it is a negative for my small company AND EVEN if it wades up your panties in a ball, that's my employees feelings.

The fact that for some odd reason you elected to not believe me and post snarky comments....well "chief" that doesn't change shit.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[lummy 4]

I'm not sure I understand something in your post.
you mentioned that you as a company are paying for the healthcare costs, why are the employees upset that it costs more under ACA?
Are you still paying for the healthcare costs? or just a portion of it now?

I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1

[mirage62 0]

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why are the employees upset that it costs more under ACA?
Are you still paying for the healthcare costs? or just a portion of it now?

Currently the company pays 100% of the cost of health insurance. The truth of the matter is my company can be a good example of WHY we need something like the ACA.

We are forced every couple of years to change insurance companies to try and find a company we can afford. We've raise our dedutable to a point that we really have insurance for major accident/illness.

We have four people who have had serious health issues.

We are looking at the idea of giving the net of the current insurance cost to all employees (gross there pay up to cover taxes, S.S. ect) The problem is that is won't cover the total expense for some and will over cover (younger)

Trying to come up with a fair way to do this is harder than you'd think.

Regardless of what some here suggest, this is a very open company and the network that some have found does NOT fit what they would want.

I am not an ACA hater I just am upset that the facts vrs what we were sold are not jiving up.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[Amazon 7]

mirage62

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why are the employees upset that it costs more under ACA?
Are you still paying for the healthcare costs? or just a portion of it now?

Currently the company pays 100% of the cost of health insurance. The truth of the matter is my company can be a good example of WHY we need something like the ACA.

We are forced every couple of years to change insurance companies to try and find a company we can afford. We've raise our dedutable to a point that we really have insurance for major accident/illness.

We have four people who have had serious health issues.

We are looking at the idea of giving the net of the current insurance cost to all employees (gross there pay up to cover taxes, S.S. ect) The problem is that is won't cover the total expense for some and will over cover (younger)

Trying to come up with a fair way to do this is harder than you'd think.

Regardless of what some here suggest, this is a very open company and the network that some have found does NOT fit what they would want.

I am not an ACA hater I just am upset that the facts vrs what we were sold are not jiving up.

Do you think that is the fault of the ACA..... or the insurance companies playing fast and hard with the rules to screw people ... since many of their policies would not have covered what people THOUGHT they had been paying for anyway.

[mirage62 0]

We haven't had to worry about the ACA until now.

I think the insurance companies are blood sucking pigs, that should have been much more heavily regulated.

I believe the above on Rep and Dem presidents.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[Amazon 7]

mirage62

We haven't had to worry about the ACA until now.

I think the insurance companies are blood sucking pigs, that should have been much more heavily regulated.

I believe the above on Rep and Dem presidents.

I would be perfectly fine with a special level of Dante's Hell for Insurance Executives en masse... and the deepest level reserved for one of them that has ever turned down someone for "pre-existing condition" and then gotten a bonus for doing so.

[kelpdiver 2]

lummy

I'm not sure I understand something in your post.
you mentioned that you as a company are paying for the healthcare costs, why are the employees upset that it costs more under ACA?
Are you still paying for the healthcare costs? or just a portion of it now?

well, even if the employee isn't directly paying those premiums, it's still part of their compensation. Higher medical costs translates to money not available for raises. And with that 'caddalac tax' on the near horizon for plans that cost over a set amount, one I believe was not indexed to a meaningful inflation value, it appears to be a junior AMT tax in the making.