7 million Americans sign up for the ACA.

[rushmc 23]

More info

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/03/31/rand-only-one-third-of-obamacare-exchange-sign-ups-were-from-the-previously-uninsured/

http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA658.html

If this law is so good
Why cook the numbers?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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[url]http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/01/5-reasons-7M-meaningless[/url

[Channman 2]

7 million is a false number. How many have PAID a premium????, and how many were insured prior to losing their insurance. I would be surprised if the number was truly greater than 3.5 million.

HELL, how many have a Insurance Card that a doctor's office can verify and actually confirm the individual standing before them is insured?

The number can't be trusted.

[PiLFy 3]

Stumpy

***I've been against the ACA_CF from day one.

Since before you knew what was in it, in fact.

I smelled the BS. I didn't need the particular lies of the week from them.

[PiLFy 3]

kelpdiver

These sort of debates are so much fun when we get to use imaginary numbers.

It's also funny to see how much trouble some have with an actual number like 7,000,000.

Nothing imaginary about them. They're readily available on the Net. Even the BS ones like your vaunted seven million...

[kelpdiver 2]

PiLFy

***These sort of debates are so much fun when we get to use imaginary numbers.

It's also funny to see how much trouble some have with an actual number like 7,000,000.

Nothing imaginary about them. They're readily available on the Net. Even the BS ones like your vaunted seven million...

If they're readily available, then you can provide citations for them. Otherwise, it seems just as likely they're bullshit numbers from Fox. But without any foundation, they cannot be examined or criticized for inaccuracy. The most common tendency is to take a single data point and pass it off as being the general case.

[PiLFy 3]

kelpdiver

******These sort of debates are so much fun when we get to use imaginary numbers.

It's also funny to see how much trouble some have with an actual number like 7,000,000.

Nothing imaginary about them. They're readily available on the Net. Even the BS ones like your vaunted seven million...

If they're readily available, then you can provide citations for them. Otherwise, it seems just as likely they're bullshit numbers from Fox. But without any foundation, they cannot be examined or criticized for inaccuracy. The most common tendency is to take a single data point and pass it off as being the general case.

Type a query into Google, & have at it. I've heard & seen those numbers over the past week. Knock yourself out...

[Stumpy 284]

PiLFy

******I've been against the ACA_CF from day one.

Since before you knew what was in it, in fact.

I smelled the BS. I didn't need the particular lies of the week from them.

At least you admit it.
The ACA could have achieved 100% insured and you would still be bagging it. Not much point debating with close mindedness like that.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[kelpdiver 2]

PiLFy

Type a query into Google, & have at it. I've heard & seen those numbers over the past week. Knock yourself out...

nope, that's not how it works. When you make outlandish claims, the onus is on you.

There's no value in trying to guess your citation and then reply with a critique. You will just (in Kallend's established style) simply claim "you have the wrong data - search again."

[tkhayes 348]

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I've been against the ACA_CF from day one.

I was against GWB and his election, but he still won.....does that make me right?

[PiLFy 3]

That's not true. If the stated aims, goals, & effects of the ACA were actually realized. I'd be behind it 1,000%. I treat patients every day, all day who are struggling to get health care. It happens in affluent areas, as well as ghettos.

My strong bias against govt. liars comes from decades of experience. Now, They have to prove their intent. In the ACA, as in most else in this cointry, they've continued to fail miserably in that.

[PiLFy 3]

kelpdiver

***
Type a query into Google, & have at it. I've heard & seen those numbers over the past week. Knock yourself out...

nope, that's not how it works. When you make outlandish claims, the onus is on you.

There's no value in trying to guess your citation and then reply with a critique. You will just (in Kallend's established style) simply claim "you have the wrong data - search again."

If I found them without even looking. You can. Educating you isn't my job. They're not outlandish. You'd know that if you bothered to look for yourself. You've wasted more time. Find the Article I saw last night slamming the ACA through several patient surveys, too. Truth must hurt...

[rushmc 23]

Blue Cross Blue Shield reported yesterday that 15 to 20% of Obamacare enrollees did not pay any premiums as of yet

Of course they would not be expecting to because the sales pitch of this law made many to believe they would get HC for free

Edited to correct percentage errors in my post

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,114]

rushmc

Blue Cross Blue Shield reported yesterday that 15 to 20% of Obamacare enrollees did not pay any premiums as of yet

Of course they would not be expecting to because the sales pitch of this law made many to believe they would get HC for free

Please post a link to said sales pitch?

The only people I am aware of who believe in free health care are the freeloaders that have been going uninsured and expecting EMTALA to bail them out when they get sick.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

***Blue Cross Blue Shield reported yesterday that 15 to 20% of Obamacare enrollees did not pay any premiums as of yet

Of course they would not be expecting to because the sales pitch of this law made many to believe they would get HC for free

Please post a link to said sales pitch?

The only people I am aware of who believe in free health care are the freeloaders that have been going uninsured and expecting EMTALA to bail them out when they get sick.

The ACA is NOT doing anything about your so called freeloaders
Still going to be around 30 million uninsured acording to the CBO report

and we didnt get to keep our plans (for the most part)
family plans are not $2500 cheaper for a family of 4
you may not keep your Dr (another broken promise)

Tell me John
Had the truth been told (and we KNOW they knew all of this) do you think the ACA would have passed?

So your story lines fail at every point
yet you keep digging
Hell, even Pelosi is smart enough NOT to do that anymore

BTW
All Obama needed was a Mission Accomplished sign behind him and all would be complete

Later John

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,114]

OK so you ARE UNABLE post a link to the sales pitch you claim exists.

Standard MO for rushmc. Make a wild claim and when challenged to back it up, change the subject.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

Damn John
It is STILL being sold that way
sheesh

http://obamacarefacts.com/

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The Affordable Care Act reforms the health care industry and both private and public health insurance through its many provisions. The ACA's key provisions include measures to eliminate pre-existing conditions, stop insurance companies from dropping you when you are sick, expand Medicaid to 15.9 million Americans and create state specific health insurance marketplaces (sometimes known as an exchanges) where low-to-middle-income Americans can shop for free or low cost health insurance.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 868]

Who the hell is Walt Whitney and why should we believe any of his bullshit?

[rushmc 23]

kallend

OK so you ARE UNABLE post a link to the sales pitch you claim exists.

Standard MO for rushmc. Make a wild claim and when challenged to back it up, change the subject.

Here is some more
Just for you John
But then, I am sure you will find another way to twist your responce into some kind of insult

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/04/business/under-health-care-act-millions-eligible-for-free-policies.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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Under Health Care Act, Millions Eligible for Free Policies

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

PiLFy

***
nope, that's not how it works. When you make outlandish claims, the onus is on you.

There's no value in trying to guess your citation and then reply with a critique. You will just (in Kallend's established style) simply claim "you have the wrong data - search again."

If I found them without even looking. You can. Educating you isn't my job. They're not outlandish. You'd know that if you bothered to look for yourself. You've wasted more time. Find the Article I saw last night slamming the ACA through several patient surveys, too. Truth must hurt...

And fact checking you isn't my job. Unsupported claims get ignored or mocked, particularly when said persons have a posting history.

[kallend 2,114]

rushmc

Damn John
It is STILL being sold that way
sheesh

http://obamacarefacts.com/

Quote

The Affordable Care Act reforms the health care industry and both private and public health insurance through its many provisions. The ACA's key provisions include measures to eliminate pre-existing conditions, stop insurance companies from dropping you when you are sick, expand Medicaid to 15.9 million Americans and create state specific health insurance marketplaces (sometimes known as an exchanges) where low-to-middle-income Americans can shop for free or low cost health insurance.

1. NOT an official government web site. From YOUR link: "ObamaCare Facts was created by two guys". The First Amendment allows anyone (including "two guys") to say almost anything,

2. What exactly is untrue about that? If poor enough you CAN get it for free.

3. Why do you have such a problem when people tell the truth?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[PiLFy 3]

rushmc

***

OK so you ARE UNABLE post a link to the sales pitch you claim exists.

Standard MO for rushmc. Make a wild claim and when challenged to back it up, change the subject.

Here is some more
Just for you John
But then, I am sure you will find another way to twist your responce into some kind of insult

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/04/business/under-health-care-act-millions-eligible-for-free-policies.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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Under Health Care Act, Millions Eligible for Free Policies

Hey, gotta take care of those TROGs ...

[PiLFy 3]

[Quote]

And fact checking you isn't my job. Unsupported claims get ignored or mocked, particularly when said persons have a posting history.

Blah, blah, blah... Not my fault you're not bright enough to see the ACA for what it is. The majority of America already does. Carp on...

[kallend 2,114]

Best healthcare system in the world:

www.nydailynews.com/news/national/grandmother-frozen-alive-hospital-freezer-struggled-escape-court-article-1.1744839

Maybe they should bring back bells that the "deceased" can ring to alert the hospital that they want to get up now.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

tkhayes

Quote

I've been against the ACA_CF from day one.

I was against GWB and his election, but he still won.....does that make me right?

I would bet it does in your mind
No different for him

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln