rushmc 23 #1 March 17, 2014 Soooo much to hide I guess http://time.com/#27443/study-obama-administration-more-secretive-than-ever/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #2 March 17, 2014 rushmc Soooo much to hide I guesshttp://time.com/#27443/study-obama-administration-more-secretive-than-ever/ No surprise, everything this man says has been and continues to be a lie. That type of personality requires a tremendous amount of cover up.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #3 March 17, 2014 You're quoting an AP study? It seemed like only yesterday that you mocked anything to do with the "drive-by media." I guess that only applies when they disagree with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 March 17, 2014 billvonYou're quoting an AP study? It seemed like only yesterday that you mocked anything to do with the "drive-by media." I guess that only applies when they disagree with you. Ya Funny how it is getting so bad even that even AP has to call him on it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 March 17, 2014 billvonYou're quoting an AP study? It seemed like only yesterday that you mocked anything to do with the "drive-by media." I guess that only applies when they disagree with you. Isn't that pretty much the definition of somebody doomed by confirmation bias?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 March 17, 2014 quade ***You're quoting an AP study? It seemed like only yesterday that you mocked anything to do with the "drive-by media." I guess that only applies when they disagree with you. Isn't that pretty much the definition of somebody doomed by confirmation bias? Its so bad you two will not even address the issue"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 March 17, 2014 rushmc Its so bad you two will not even address the issue Why bother? You'll simply deny anything that doesn't fit your preconceived ideas anyway.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #8 March 17, 2014 quade ***Its so bad you two will not even address the issue Why bother? You'll simply deny anything that doesn't fit your preconceived ideas anyway. Wow There is a new record for an irony score now"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 March 17, 2014 Re-read the article in question. This would be the case no matter who was in office. Rush, do me a favor and look into the history of bureaucratic spying institutions and how easy it is to unfuck a situation once it has been set up and running for decades. Get back to me with some data.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 March 17, 2014 quade Rush, do me a favor and look into the history of bureaucratic spying institutions and how easy it is to unfuck a situation once it has been set up and running for decades. Get back to me with some data. AP has already done that But, this article/study/post is not about spying now it is... You see Paul You need to change the topic to have an argument And when you believe something it is holding on to your convictions When any who disagrees with you does the same? Well, it is something else I guess"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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quade 4 #12 March 17, 2014 rushmc***Rush, do me a favor and look into the history of bureaucratic spying institutions and how easy it is to unfuck a situation once it has been set up and running for decades. Get back to me with some data. AP has already done that But, this article/study/post is not about spying now it is... Um, Rush, you might want to check which agencies account for the VAST majority of unfulfilled requests. Again . . . get back to me when you've figured this out.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #13 March 18, 2014 quadeRe-read the article in question. This would be the case no matter who was in office. Rush, do me a favor and look into the history of bureaucratic spying institutions and how easy it is to unfuck a situation once it has been set up and running for decades. Get back to me with some data. It's Bush's fault! Our President didn't want to keep doing it. It just developed institutional inertia that a President is powerless to change. The most transparent administration was promised. The President told us if we like transparency we can have transparency. Kinda odd how bad government secrecy was thought to be. I had no idea how cool and awesome it was until President Obama started wielding it! It's awesome now! Good thing Romney wasn't President: government secrecy is sooooo totally uncool when Republicans are in charge. Like it was under Bush - totally unhip. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 March 18, 2014 Did I say Bush? No. I specifically said, "decades." Wanna know where it starts? Again, I mention one of my over riding pet peeves, EO12333.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #15 March 18, 2014 This is about secrecy. All it takes is some transparency. I didn't say anything about NSA. I mentioned transparency. Not Executive Orders that can be rescinded with the stroke of a pen/autosigner. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #16 March 18, 2014 lawrocketThis is about secrecy. All it takes is some transparency. I didn't say anything about NSA. I mentioned transparency. Not Executive Orders that can be rescinded with the stroke of a pen/autosigner. He is ignoring the 8% increase in FOIA requests and and 53% increase in the denials part of the study"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #17 March 18, 2014 quadeRe-read the article in question. This would be the case no matter who was in office. Yes, Yes . . .especially with all that transparency that he promised, right?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #18 March 18, 2014 rushmc He is ignoring the 8% increase in FOIA requests and and 53% increase in the denials part of the study this article (as referenced) was too skant on details to make any meaningful conclusions. I'd want to see non NSA requests, and the pattern in years other than 2013 before trying to make an honest argument. For those who only care about attacking the President, I realize those considerations are secondary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #19 March 18, 2014 Based on Snowden's disclosures, we could all do with being more secretive. And it's not just the govt. that's spying on us. Businesses know far more about you than you would ever imagine.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #20 March 18, 2014 kallend Based on Snowden's disclosures, we could all do with being more secretive. And it's not just the govt. that's spying on us. Businesses know far more about you than you would ever imagine. Yes. And businesses face the consequences of misuses of it. A business wants to listen in on your phone calls? Go through your e-mails? Hell, take a look at Google - got punched for $17 million by 27 states for privacy violations. And got hammered for collecting stuff sent over unsecuerd wi-fi. Private companies get slapped for pulling this. The government will even slap them. But the government mining all this stuff? Google can destroy you in very limited but severe ways. The government can fuck you up on entirely different and higher levels. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #21 March 19, 2014 QuoteBusinesses know far more about you than you would ever imagine. Google is just the tip of an iceberg. There are now systems that stores use to track your cell phone "pings" as you walk around a store, so they know which aisle you're in and what you're looking at.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 7 #22 March 19, 2014 Not questioning if you are right on that monitoring system. But do you have any links to it. I would like to read about that. I hate stores trying to mine information from customers. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #23 March 19, 2014 BartsDaddyNot questioning if you are right on that monitoring system. But do you have any links to it. I would like to read about that. I hate stores trying to mine information from customers. They aren't mining your data. They are tracking you physical location in the store. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/15/business/attention-shopper-stores-are-tracking-your-cell.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #24 March 19, 2014 wolfriverjoe***Not questioning if you are right on that monitoring system. But do you have any links to it. I would like to read about that. I hate stores trying to mine information from customers. They aren't mining your data. They are tracking you physical location in the store. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/15/business/attention-shopper-stores-are-tracking-your-cell.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 They're doing both. Big business knows much more about all of us than most of us realize, and much more than we would like. Big business is even more intrusive than the government. Just this morning I went to track a shipment coming by UPS. The UPS site tried to get me to agree to share my facebook friend list and "likes", with a big "AGREE" button and a subdued "Cancel" button. Now why would UPS want to know my facebook friends?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #25 March 19, 2014 QuoteHell, take a look at Google - got punched for $17 million by 27 states for privacy violations. And got hammered for collecting stuff sent over unsecuerd wi-fi. Wow....$17 Million you say? They must be really paying attention now that their finances have been so depleted by this fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
