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turtlespeed***So, in other words, you're paying more because you're getting more.
It would be more honest to say that I am paying more because someone else is getting more, correct?
Clearly the entire concept of "insurance" is difficult for some people to grasp.
Rushmc, you, and Mary Brown come to mind.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
rushmc 23
kallend******So, in other words, you're paying more because you're getting more.
It would be more honest to say that I am paying more because someone else is getting more, correct?
Clearly the entire concept of "insurance" is difficult for some people to grasp.
Rushmc, you, and Mary Brown come to mind.
Again John
Insults do not intimidate me either
But then, you consider yourself as all knowing and treat all who disagree with you accordingly
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
It is not working for some
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/18/vegas-man-stuck-with-407000-medical-bill-after-obamacare-breakdown/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/18/vegas-man-stuck-with-407000-medical-bill-after-obamacare-breakdown/
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
turtlespeed 226
kallend******So, in other words, you're paying more because you're getting more.
It would be more honest to say that I am paying more because someone else is getting more, correct?
Clearly the entire concept of "insurance" is difficult for some people to grasp.
Rushmc, you, and Mary Brown come to mind.
I think you miss the fact thyat it isn't insurance. Surely, even you can see the difference.
Is the law called the affordable insurance act?
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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rushmc***From the article, with me adding the bolding:
So, in other words, you're paying more because you're getting more. The discussion as to whether this is necessary (although even the article says that emergency and lab services improvements are uncontroversial) is a valid discussion, but the article itself indicates why). Why don't non-smokers object to paying for a plan that includes coverage for smoking-related illness, or women object to a plan that pays for Viagra, or teetotalers object to a plan that pays for alcohol-induced injuries?QuotePremiums are being hiked across the board for several reasons, but the biggest contributor is the Obama administration’s highly touted “essential health benefits,” services that insurers on and off exchanges must provide.
Some benefits, such as emergency and laboratory services, are uncontroversial. But others, like maternity, newborn and pediatric services, are causing headaches for huge swaths of the population that don’t need them. Anyone past childbearing age, single men, the infertile, even nuns — their premiums are rising as well, because their plans must, by law, provide more services.
Wendy P.
Getting more?
I cant wait to see those stories Wendy
I will wait for your links
As to the other stuff?
Different debate
80% of people were happy with their plans before the ACA
This was a bill looking for a problem
Again
The ACA is not about health care
Never was
It is about control
As I found out while doing contracts for various LARGE fortune 50 corporations but going thru contract houses.... the "health insurance" provided as part of said contract was complete and utter bullshit when you went to actually use it for anything more than perhaps prescriptions or an annual physical. Many millions of others also found out the hard way that even though they thought they were covered.. just try to get the insurance companies to pay the medical bills in a timely manner before your credit rating is destroyed.
Millions of families in this country were one serious injury or illness away from bankruptcy because of medical bills. I had the financial resources to pay.. most do not. I was denied payment because of "pre-existing" conditions when my shoulder was torn apart... even though it was the other shoulder that had been injured years ago. Their response.. sue us. and they have scummy well paid lawyers who like the insurance execs got bonuses for denying payments.
Yeah real great system... even this bullshit of having middle men ( insurance companies) is ludicrous. One day we will have a system that is similar to other first world countries instead of this vulture medical system picking the viscera of the american people.
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wmw999The "more" that people are getting are what I bolded in the story you quoted. No need for additional supporting stories, when your story covers it. That some people don't want to pay for those additional services is a valid story.
One thing to consider is that while 80% of people were happy with their plans before Obamacare (is there a source for that?), medical bills were the biggest cause of bankruptcies in the US ( source). So maybe their comfort with their plans was misplaced, and based only on the fact that if it was cheap, they hadn't used it yet.
Wendy P.
^^^^^THIS^^^^^^
I love Wendy's reality based posts.
billvon 3,109
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>The right does not have to do anything to show this law to be the failutre
>that is it and will be. It is imploding under its own failed design.
And another right winger who can't believe anything other than "Obamacare" = "bad":
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3/10/2014 at 4:32 PM
Republican Learns Obamacare Won’t Kill Her After All, Refuses to Believe It
By Jonathan Chait
New Yorker
Republicans have poured millions of dollars into a Senate ad in Michigan castigating Democratic Senate candidate Gary Peters, who voted for the Affordable Care Act, for done near killing a woman named Julie Boonstra, who has cancer. Boonstra — who also turned out to be the ex-wife of a Republican county chairman — sadly looks into the camera and explains how she had a wonderful insurance plan to treat her cancer, but Obamacare cancelled it, and now she could die.
It's hard to figure out how regulations preventing insurers from charging higher rates to people with preexisting conditions - like cancer - could cause a cancer patient to have to pay more for her insurance. There are people who have to pay more for their insurance now, but they're healthy and affluent, and their rates are rising precisely to pay for care for sick customers like Boonstra.
And sure enough, the Detroit News investigates the options available to Boonstra, and it turns out she will be paying less under Obamacare, not more:
Boonstra’s old plan cost $1,100 a month in premiums or $13,200 a year, she previously told The Detroit News. It didn’t include money she spent on co-pays, prescription drugs and other out-of-pocket expenses
By contrast, the Blues’ plan premium costs $571 a month or $6,852 for the year. Since out-of-pocket costs are capped at $5,100, including deductibles, the maximum Boonstra would pay for all of her cancer treatment is $11,952 for the year.
Boonstra was overjoyed to learn that, contrary to the fears stoked by Republican operatives manipulating her tragedy in order to deny medical care to fellow sick people, she will actually be saving money now. Just kidding! She is firmly in denial:
When advised of the details of her Blues’ plan, Boonstra said the idea that it would be cheaper “can’t be true.”
“I personally do not believe that,” Boonstra said.
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Might need to be an extension to Obamacare to cover conservative's heads exploding when they realize they are actually . . . saving money.
>that is it and will be. It is imploding under its own failed design.
And another right winger who can't believe anything other than "Obamacare" = "bad":
======================
3/10/2014 at 4:32 PM
Republican Learns Obamacare Won’t Kill Her After All, Refuses to Believe It
By Jonathan Chait
New Yorker
Republicans have poured millions of dollars into a Senate ad in Michigan castigating Democratic Senate candidate Gary Peters, who voted for the Affordable Care Act, for done near killing a woman named Julie Boonstra, who has cancer. Boonstra — who also turned out to be the ex-wife of a Republican county chairman — sadly looks into the camera and explains how she had a wonderful insurance plan to treat her cancer, but Obamacare cancelled it, and now she could die.
It's hard to figure out how regulations preventing insurers from charging higher rates to people with preexisting conditions - like cancer - could cause a cancer patient to have to pay more for her insurance. There are people who have to pay more for their insurance now, but they're healthy and affluent, and their rates are rising precisely to pay for care for sick customers like Boonstra.
And sure enough, the Detroit News investigates the options available to Boonstra, and it turns out she will be paying less under Obamacare, not more:
Boonstra’s old plan cost $1,100 a month in premiums or $13,200 a year, she previously told The Detroit News. It didn’t include money she spent on co-pays, prescription drugs and other out-of-pocket expenses
By contrast, the Blues’ plan premium costs $571 a month or $6,852 for the year. Since out-of-pocket costs are capped at $5,100, including deductibles, the maximum Boonstra would pay for all of her cancer treatment is $11,952 for the year.
Boonstra was overjoyed to learn that, contrary to the fears stoked by Republican operatives manipulating her tragedy in order to deny medical care to fellow sick people, she will actually be saving money now. Just kidding! She is firmly in denial:
When advised of the details of her Blues’ plan, Boonstra said the idea that it would be cheaper “can’t be true.”
“I personally do not believe that,” Boonstra said.
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Might need to be an extension to Obamacare to cover conservative's heads exploding when they realize they are actually . . . saving money.
rushmc 23
Cool
You got one story
but it is not going to take a media campain to make the ACA look bad
It is doing it all by itself
Never have been popular and never will be
You got one story
but it is not going to take a media campain to make the ACA look bad
It is doing it all by itself
Never have been popular and never will be
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
billvon 3,109
>but it is not going to take a media campain to make the ACA look bad
And yet the Republicans are spending tens of millions in media campaigns trying to make it look bad (and in the above case, having to lie to do it.) Either they're all idiots or you're wrong about the above.
And yet the Republicans are spending tens of millions in media campaigns trying to make it look bad (and in the above case, having to lie to do it.) Either they're all idiots or you're wrong about the above.
rushmc 23
billvon>but it is not going to take a media campain to make the ACA look bad
And yet the Republicans are spending tens of millions in media campaigns trying to make it look bad (and in the above case, having to lie to do it.) Either they're all idiots or you're wrong about the above.
I would like to see the 10's of millions media stories
Regardless
they are not trying to make it look bad
It IS bad
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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rushmc***>but it is not going to take a media campain to make the ACA look bad
And yet the Republicans are spending tens of millions in media campaigns trying to make it look bad (and in the above case, having to lie to do it.) Either they're all idiots or you're wrong about the above.
I would like to see the 10's of millions media stories
Regardless
they are not trying to make it look bad
It IS bad
The Truth will set you free
rushmc 23
Hmmm
Supose this sight get money from the ACA?
In any event
Thanks for the link'
There some interesting info in it
but this sight is a long way from being unbiased as seen by there other articles listed below
Supose this sight get money from the ACA?
In any event
Thanks for the link'
There some interesting info in it
but this sight is a long way from being unbiased as seen by there other articles listed below
QuoteRelated Articles
■Outside Political Groups Are Spending Records Amounts To Deny Poor People Health Care (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Watch This Doctor Totally School An Anti-Obamacare Senator On Health Care (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Yet ANOTHER Obamacare “Horror Story” Turns Out To Be Fake: Cancer Patient Who Blamed Obamacare For “Unaffordable” Costs Will Actually Save Money (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■GOP Threatens Pay Cut For Medicare Doctors Unless Key Obamacare Provision Is Delayed (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■STUDY: Uninsurance Rate Falls As Millions Sign Up For Obamacare (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■GOP Finally Goes Too Far On Obamacare: Why The 50th Repeal Vote Is Not The Charm (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■GOP’s Proposal For Health Care Would Lead 1 Million To Lose Employer-Sponsored Insurance (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■How One Governor Is Trying To Avoid Responsibility For Denying Health Care To 600,000 Poor People (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■A New Low? GOP Exploits Innocent People Who Need Obamacare – By Having Them Campaign For Its Demise (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Koch Brothers Hire Paid Actors To Play Obamacare ‘Victims’ In New Attack Ad (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Paul Krugman Takes On The Latest Falsehood In The GOP’s Sabotage Campaign: ‘No, Millions Of Americans Won’t Lose Their Jobs Because Of Obamacare’ (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■STUDY: Obamacare Could Help Save Americans From ‘Financial Distress’ (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■No, Obamacare Is Not A Job-Killer (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Author Of CBO’s Job Report Refutes Republicans’ Claim That Obamacare Is A Job-Killer (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■This Week’s Huge Media Fail: Most Media Outlets Botched The CBO’s Obamcare Report (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Obamacare Finally Gives Workers The Freedom Conservatives Demand. Not Surprisingly, Conservatives Are Still Complaining. (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Obama Calls Out Fox News In Pre-Super Bowl Interview: ‘You And Your TV Station Keep Scandals Alive’ (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■GOP Peddles ANOTHER Fake Obamacare ‘Horror’ Story During State Of The Union Response: Is This The Best They Can Do? (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■The Five Worst Things About The New Republican Proposal To Replace Obamacare (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Number Of Uninsured Americans Drops Amid Obamacare Rollout (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■GOP’s Pathetic “Replace Obamacare” Plan May Finally Be Coming (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Study: Obamacare Will Raise The Poorest Americans’ Incomes By At Least 5 Percent (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■5 Ways The GOP Will Continue Trying To Undermine Obamacare In 2014 (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Pennsylvania Man Confronts His Governor For Refusing To Expand Medicaid: ‘How Many More People Have To Die?’ (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Debunked: 10 More Myths About The Affordable Care Act (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■The GOP’s Playbook To Sabotage The Affordable Care Act: Republicans Spent Time Planning To Undermine Obamacare, Still Haven’t Taken Time To Develop Their Own Plan For Reform (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Obamacare Exposes Republican Hypocrisy (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Study: States Rejecting Obamacare’s Medicaid Expansion Will Cost Taxpayers Billions (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Benefits Of Medicaid Expansion For All States (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Red States Remain Adamantly Opposed To Medicaid Expansion (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■People Of Color, Low-Income Populations Hit Hardest In States ‘Opting Out’ Of Medicaid Expansions (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■3 Big Obamacare Numbers To Start Off The New Year (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■MythBusters: Affordable Care Act Edition (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Media Coverage Of The Affordable Care Act: A Bigger Disaster Than The ACA Website Rollout (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Separating The Myths And Realities On Obamacare (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■What The Media Is Not Telling You: Everything You Need To Know About Those Infamous “Policy Cancelations,” And Why Obamacare Has Nothing To Do With Them (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■The Cost Of Failure To Enact Health Reform: What Would Happen Without The Affordable Care Act (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Study Yields Promising Findings for Obamacare: Three-Quarters of Americans With Individual Insurance Plans Will Qualify For Subsidies Under Affordable Care Act (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Why Did The Media Miss The Most Important Health Care News This Week? (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■The Five Worst Things About The New Republican Proposal To Replace Obamacare (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■After Getting Fact-Checked By MSNBC Reporter, GOP Senator Admits His Obamacare ‘Alternative’ Would Burden The Elderly And Other Vulnerable Americans (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Study: Average Obamacare Plans Are Cheaper Than Employer-Sponsored Ones (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
■Health Care: Even The GOP Doesn’t Know What The GOP Wants (publichealthwatch.wordpress.com)
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
billvon 3,109
>I would like to see the 10's of millions media stories
Google "Obamacare disaster" - about 49,500,000 results
>they are not trying to make it look bad It IS bad
Yep. Just like that woman. She can now get health insurance for less - but that doesn't matter. It might just save her life if you believe her story - but again it doesn't matter. She, like you, hates Obama, and thus it must be bad.
Google "Obamacare disaster" - about 49,500,000 results
>they are not trying to make it look bad It IS bad
Yep. Just like that woman. She can now get health insurance for less - but that doesn't matter. It might just save her life if you believe her story - but again it doesn't matter. She, like you, hates Obama, and thus it must be bad.
rushmc 23
billvon>I would like to see the 10's of millions media stories
Google "Obamacare disaster" - about 49,500,000 results
>they are not trying to make it look bad It IS bad
Yep. Just like that woman. She can now get health insurance for less - but that doesn't matter. It might just save her life if you believe her story - but again it doesn't matter. She, like you, hates Obama, and thus it must be bad.
I hate Obama?
Really?
come bill
I dont like his politics but I dont know him so I cant hate him
And you guys dont beleive the stories of many more who HAVE lost their care insurance AND costs have gone up
Sounds like pot kettle claim you are making
One thing is for sure
Those who love Obama hate those who challenge him
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
billvon 3,109
>And you guys dont beleive the stories of many more who HAVE lost their care
>insurance AND costs have gone up
I do not believe anyone has lost the ability to get health insurance due to this law, no. (I don't know what "care insurance" is so can't comment on that, but if you lost your care insurance - sorry about that.)
I definitely believe that costs have gone up for some people. That's how the woman above will have her cancer treatments paid for if she changes her insurance. Previously that would have been a pre-existing condition and she would have been left to scramble to find the money to pay for either the treatment or the exorbitant bill for healthcare coverage.
>insurance AND costs have gone up
I do not believe anyone has lost the ability to get health insurance due to this law, no. (I don't know what "care insurance" is so can't comment on that, but if you lost your care insurance - sorry about that.)
I definitely believe that costs have gone up for some people. That's how the woman above will have her cancer treatments paid for if she changes her insurance. Previously that would have been a pre-existing condition and she would have been left to scramble to find the money to pay for either the treatment or the exorbitant bill for healthcare coverage.
rushmc 23
QuoteI do not believe anyone has lost the ability to get health insurance due to this law, no.
I didnt say that
I am saying they lost the plans they liked because of the law
and many of them have higher costs and out of pocket costs than what they had before
Now the supporters say well, their plan was sub standard
For who? Government burocrats who already cost 47% more than their private sector counter parts?
Also, I posted a story in this thread about a man who had signed up
he had paid
His coverage was to begin Jan 1 this year according to the AZ HC websight
Now HE owes $407k because no insurance covers him
One story?
Yes, just like yours
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
billvon 3,109
Another example of how Obamacare has "failed" -
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Obamacare enrollment is indication of success
By Richard Davis
Published: Wednesday, March 19 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
The Obama administration announced this week that more than 5 million Americans are now enrolled and receiving health insurance under the president’s signature legislation, the Affordable Care Act, sometimes referred to as “Obamacare.” Since March 1, approximately 800,000 people have gone on online to choose a health care plan under Obamacare.
Even though that number is short of the administration’s goal of 7 million registered by the end of March, it is a significant achievement given the problems that have plagued the health care reform measure that the president signed nearly four years ago. After successive lawsuits, efforts by Republicans to “repeal and replace,” and the administration’s flawed roll-out last fall, many people thought the plan ultimately would not succeed.
Yet it is time to recognize that Obamacare is succeeding. Millions of Americans are receiving health care for less than they did before. At the same time, those who already had health insurance are receiving more coverage for their insurance dollar. This includes coverage for maternity and newborn care, prescription drugs and mental health services.
Many people are able to receive coverage for the first time. A consulting firm, McKinsey & Co., reported that 27 percent of enrollees in Obamacare are receiving health care insurance for the first time. And those who already have health insurance cannot be dropped by their insurance company because they get sick, nor can they be denied coverage by a new insurance company because they have a pre-existing condition.
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Obamacare enrollment is indication of success
By Richard Davis
Published: Wednesday, March 19 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
The Obama administration announced this week that more than 5 million Americans are now enrolled and receiving health insurance under the president’s signature legislation, the Affordable Care Act, sometimes referred to as “Obamacare.” Since March 1, approximately 800,000 people have gone on online to choose a health care plan under Obamacare.
Even though that number is short of the administration’s goal of 7 million registered by the end of March, it is a significant achievement given the problems that have plagued the health care reform measure that the president signed nearly four years ago. After successive lawsuits, efforts by Republicans to “repeal and replace,” and the administration’s flawed roll-out last fall, many people thought the plan ultimately would not succeed.
Yet it is time to recognize that Obamacare is succeeding. Millions of Americans are receiving health care for less than they did before. At the same time, those who already had health insurance are receiving more coverage for their insurance dollar. This includes coverage for maternity and newborn care, prescription drugs and mental health services.
Many people are able to receive coverage for the first time. A consulting firm, McKinsey & Co., reported that 27 percent of enrollees in Obamacare are receiving health care insurance for the first time. And those who already have health insurance cannot be dropped by their insurance company because they get sick, nor can they be denied coverage by a new insurance company because they have a pre-existing condition.
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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteNow the supporters say well, their plan was sub standard
For who?
For those who tought they had insurance and ended up having to claim bankruptcy cause their insurance didn't pay for much.
Or for those who died because their insurance didn't cover.
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SkyDekkerQuoteNow the supporters say well, their plan was sub standard
For who?
For those who tought they had insurance and ended up having to claim bankruptcy cause their insurance didn't pay for much.
Or for those who died because their insurance didn't cover.
I guess Death Panels are ok if its insurance executives who are deciding who lives or dies for profit and for that huge performance bonus. Interesting the GOP fears the government doing a death panel without the profit motive.. oh wait.
billvon 3,109
>Now the supporters say well, their plan was sub standard For who?
For the insured.
Here's an example. (One you won't hear from FOX or even the mainstream media)
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Obamacare saves family
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October 16, 2013 12:00 am
Allan Pacela
With so much controversy regarding Obamacare, you may be interested in our family's experience.
I am a retired engineer on Medicare, and my wife had long been insured by Cigna, under a group plan from my engineers' society. Because of minor pre-existing conditions, she could not leave that plan, because no other plan would insure her.
The Cigna premiums increased to $5,000 per quarter, or $20,000 per year, just for my wife. This year, Cigna canceled the entire plan, leaving her with no insurance.
So, we turned to Obamacare. She found it simple and easy to sign up through an agent in a 10-minute phone call. She obtained their best plan, providing much much better coverage than in the past, at a cost of $3,000 per quarter.
My wife would not have insurance coverage at all as of Jan. 1, if not for Obamacare. And, here's the kicker - we now are saving $8,000 per year, for a very much better plan.
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For the insured.
Here's an example. (One you won't hear from FOX or even the mainstream media)
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Obamacare saves family
Print Email
October 16, 2013 12:00 am
Allan Pacela
With so much controversy regarding Obamacare, you may be interested in our family's experience.
I am a retired engineer on Medicare, and my wife had long been insured by Cigna, under a group plan from my engineers' society. Because of minor pre-existing conditions, she could not leave that plan, because no other plan would insure her.
The Cigna premiums increased to $5,000 per quarter, or $20,000 per year, just for my wife. This year, Cigna canceled the entire plan, leaving her with no insurance.
So, we turned to Obamacare. She found it simple and easy to sign up through an agent in a 10-minute phone call. She obtained their best plan, providing much much better coverage than in the past, at a cost of $3,000 per quarter.
My wife would not have insurance coverage at all as of Jan. 1, if not for Obamacare. And, here's the kicker - we now are saving $8,000 per year, for a very much better plan.
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jclalor 12
QuoteI guess Death Panels are ok if its insurance executives who are deciding who lives or dies for profit and for that huge performance bonus. Interesting the GOP fears the government doing a death panel without the profit motive.. oh wait.
I always loved their argument that Obama wants to spend money like a drunken sailor - but "death panels" will deny everyone specialized care because it's too expensive. They can't even get their story straight.
jclalor 12
rushmcQuoteI do not believe anyone has lost the ability to get health insurance due to this law, no.
I didnt say that
I am saying they lost the plans they liked because of the law
and many of them have higher costs and out of pocket costs than what they had before
Now the supporters say well, their plan was sub standard
For who? Government burocrats who already cost 47% more than their private sector counter parts?
Also, I posted a story in this thread about a man who had signed up
he had paid
His coverage was to begin Jan 1 this year according to the AZ HC websight
Now HE owes $407k because no insurance covers him
One story?
Yes, just like yours
Would you like to make a wager that this gets straightened out? Are you also that naive to think that out of millions of policies being issued that there should not be a single mistake?
Perhaps you could also enlighten us on how much this 62 year old man, with a previous heart condition would have spent on an insurance policy before the ADA.
I'm not sure I agree with the need for "much more for less" unless you include people who are currently paying nothing specifically for insurance, trusting their taxes to take care of them when they go for medical care.
I completely agree that people who had very basic plans are getting much higher prices, and that for some (especially in states that don't participate with Medicaid expansion) it's a deal-breaker.
A worry I see now is this kind of thing this article. Coverage is decreasing, and transparency is, too, so that you can't tell. Before, if you had individual insurance and got cancer, the insurance would be canceled as soon as you started making claims. Now they can't cancel, so the good programs aren't covered (but you still get coverage you didn't before). But the lack of transparency is bad.
America currently has a multi-tier medical coverage system; you definitely get more, and better, medical care if you have lots of money. ADA may start highlighting that, and making it clearer. But I really hate hiding details in fine print. Yeah, it's a tax on the stupid, but when you have employees dedicated to making things hard to find, the definition of "stupid" gets harder to justify.
Saith she who's been known to miss stuff in the fine print
Wendy P.
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