Another ADA horror story debunked

[kallend 2,146]

billvon

>The only poll that really counts is at the ballot box

Then the country overwhelmingly supports Obama.

Well, he COULD mean the one that showed a majority of voters nationwide voting for Democrats in House elections, yet on account of district gerrymandering we got a GOP majority of Representatives in the House.

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

I don't think I'd call 51% twice "overwhelming support."

But hey, GWB thought 2% was a mandate.

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332 to 206 is the electoral split. Any way you want to slice that it is "overwhelming."

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[rushmc 23]

wolfriverjoe

I don't think I'd call 51% twice "overwhelming support."

But hey, GWB thought 2% was a mandate.

Bingo!

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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skypuppy

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Now the supporters say well, their plan was sub standard
For who?

For those who tought they had insurance and ended up having to claim bankruptcy cause their insurance didn't pay for much.

Or for those who died because their insurance didn't cover.

hmmm. my mother died right here in Ontario despite our much-vaunted (but certainly overblown) single payer health care. from something that shouldn't have happened in a province where everything is supposed to be paid for. In order to save the cost of a second ambulance. So don't tell me how much better single payer or state mandated health care is. It isn't. Why do bob Rae and Brian Mulrooney and jack layton and Danny williams all go the states for healthcare? Cause it's better than they can get up here - before obamacare.

Every health care system makes mistakes and nothing is perfect. I certainly don't think the Canadaian system is perfect. We do a better job taking care of all our citizens than the US though. IMHO.

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jclalor

Who really gets stuck with those unpaid bills are the taxpayers and anyone who has private insurance.

According to the American Hospital Association who don't have motivation to under-state in 2012 uncompensated care accounted for just 6.1% of hospital operating costs.

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Until we let the un-insured drop dead in the ER, the only option is to mandate that people have a minimum level of insurance, it's not perfect, but I have yet to hear of an alternative.


The status quo before ACA, except for the few people not covered by employer plans who were too sick to get private insurance but not sick enough for Medicare, too poor to buy insurance but not poor enough for Medicaid, or too old to get affordable coverage but not old enough for Medicare.

I'd also give an above-the-line deduction for private health insurance and refundable credit matching the payroll taxes on what it costs. The special tax treatment of employee benefits that lets companies spend up to twice as much as an individual for the same take-home pay delta is what gets us increasingly expensive insurance.

People should have enough medical insurance coverage to avoid bankruptcy and non-payment, and legally requiring that would make sense except the cure is worse than the disease because organizations like Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America needed the law to increase profits before they'd let it pass (after it was tweaked to their liking PhRMA loved it so much they spent $100 million on advertising to pass it).

Before ACA I paid $85 a month to cover my adult son, including less than $5 of uncollected debt (there's room in that total for insurance company profit) hospitals were passing on to insured people like him.

They discontinued that policy because it was not ACA compliant so now I pay $155 a month.

[wmw999 2,587]

That "few" was a little over 15% of the population, or nearly 50 million people. While not an overwhelming majority, it's a significant number, and worth dealing with. Particularly when taken in conjunction with the fact that health expenses are the number one cause of personal bankruptcy in the US.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

That "few" was a little over 15% of the population, or nearly 50 million people. While not an overwhelming majority, it's a significant number, and worth dealing with. Particularly when taken in conjunction with the fact that health expenses are the number one cause of personal bankruptcy in the US.

Wendy P.

America already has not-for-profit Socialized insurance. As of 2012 Medicare covered 49 million people. As of 2010 Medicaid covered 66 million million people.

One of those should have been expanded instead of funneling a trillion dollars a decade through for-profit companies allowed to markup all the care they provide by 25%.

[wmw999 2,587]

I'm not sure that would have been possible, for political reasons. Better, yeah, very possibly. But if you can't do it, then it doesn't matter if it's better. Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of good enough.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

I'm not sure that would have been possible, for political reasons. Better, yeah, very possibly. But if you can't do it, then it doesn't matter if it's better. Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of good enough.

Wendy P.

And sometimes doing something is worse than doing nothing at all.

[wmw999 2,587]

Currently, it's worse for your personal costs. Is it worse overall?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

Currently, it's worse for your personal costs. Is it worse overall?

Wendy P.

Why does that matter? If its worse because of what was done, compensation is due.

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[kallend 2,146]

DrewEckhardt

As of 2010 Medicaid covered 66 million million people.

Wow, that's a lot of people. Must have covered a bunch of extraterrestrials in addition to the entire Earth population.

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