Conservatives vs Truth

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kallend

***I'm indifferent about the Koch brothers. I'm pretty much indifferent about anybody who isn't trying to make me do anything against my will.

How do you feel about people trying to prevent you (or others) from doing stuff that you think you should be able to do?

Don't like it much. Obviously, there have got to be limits on what people can do. Between the Republicans in my bedroom and the Democrats in my medicine cabinet and both in my office and bank account, I do have great issues.

Therein is the problem. How often does government actually give more freedom? IT comes usually from the government doing things like repealing DADT - an abridgment of freedom that it passed in the first place.

Some of us just want to be left alone.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,132]

>How often does government actually give more freedom?

A lot of states are now allowing gays to marry, which is an increase in freedom for at least some people.

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billvon

>How often does government actually give more freedom?

A lot of states are now allowing gays to marry, which is an increase in freedom for at least some people.

Right. Providing a freedom that they restricted in the first place.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,132]

>Right. Providing a freedom that they restricted in the first place.

Agreed, it was a mistake in the first place. But at least in this case they are headed in the right direction.

(One of the basic assumptions of the Constitution, stated explicitly in the Tenth Amendment, is that people have all the rights you can imagine; governments can only take them away, not add to them. Thus in a very real way no US law can ever "give anyone more rights." All it can do is take less of them away.)

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billvon

>Right. Providing a freedom that they restricted in the first place.

Agreed, it was a mistake in the first place. But at least in this case they are headed in the right direction.

(One of the basic assumptions of the Constitution, stated explicitly in the Tenth Amendment, is that people have all the rights you can imagine; governments can only take them away, not add to them. Thus in a very real way no US law can ever "give anyone more rights." All it can do is take less of them away.)

Somewhat. The Tenth Amendment actually means that state governments can provide rights that the federal government doesn't recognize. An example: California's Constitution explicitly provides a right to privacy that the Federal Constitution does not.

The Federal Constitution sets a floor of rights that no state state or locality can go below (thanks to the 14th Amendment and incorporation). But states can give greater rights than the feds.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,132]

>The Tenth Amendment actually means that state governments can provide
>rights that the federal government doesn't recognize.

I agree that the 10th does that, but I was actually referring to the last part of it:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"

The people have all the powers not appropriated by government.

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billvon

>Right. Providing a freedom that they restricted in the first place.

Agreed, it was a mistake in the first place. But at least in this case they are headed in the right direction.

(One of the basic assumptions of the Constitution, stated explicitly in the Tenth Amendment, is that people have all the rights you can imagine; governments can only take them away, not add to them. Thus in a very real way no US law can ever "give anyone more rights." All it can do is take less of them away.)

Please remember this for the next gun carry thread.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

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You despise the koch brothers but valerie jarrett and george soros are just as corrupt and controlling as the koch brothers.

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You despise the koch brothers but valerie jarrett and george soros are just as corrupt and controlling as the koch brothers.

How many billions have the brothers paid in fines for egregious cases of pollution again??? I wonder how many people got cancer from companies owned by the people you mentioned because they just did not matter in the rush to acquire billions.

I wonder if this matters to you

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Edited to add... I get this now....

From Wiki

Glenn Beck's conspiracy theory

On November 9, 2010 American conservative television host Glenn Beck aired an hour-long television program, titled The Puppet Master, dedicated to Soros (which he had announced as “D-Day for George Soros”).[5] Accusations he made during this program, specifically that Soros collaborated with the Nazis as a child and that “many people would call him an antisemite”, have met with condemnation from groups including the Anti-Defamation League and The American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors and Their Descendants.[6][7] Beck continued discussing Soros in his programs of November 10, 2010 and November 11, 2010, making additional claims including that Soros, with the help of others, is attempting to collapse the United States economy in order to help create a new world order.[8]

Beck's statements also drew ridicule from The Daily Show host Jon Stewart in a November 18, 2010 skit titled 'The Manchurian Lunatic',[9] taking aim at Beck by utilizing many tropes which appear often in segments of Beck's eponymous television broadcast. While the skit was praised by various major media outlets, Beck shot back on November 25 by insinuating that Stewart and fellow Comedy Central host Stephen Colbert are keeping or turning people into "sheep".[10]

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You despise the koch brothers but valerie jarrett and george soros are just as corrupt and controlling as the koch brothers.

OH I get it now... I was curious why you singled out Valerie Jarrett

From Wiki


Jarrett was born in Shiraz, Iran, to African-American parents James E. Bowman and Barbara Taylor Bowman. Her father, a pathologist and geneticist, ran a hospital for children in Shiraz in 1956, as part of a program where American physicians and agricultural experts sought to help communitize developing countries' health and farming efforts. When she was five, the family moved to London for one year, later moving to Chicago in 1963.[3] In 1966, her mother was one of four child advocates that created the Erikson Institute. The Institute was established to provide collective knowledge in child development for teachers and other professionals working with young children.[4]

As a child she spoke Persian and French.[5] One of her great-grandfathers was Jewish.[6]

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George soros is a piece of shit. He selected his own countrymen to be executed by the nazi's to save his own hide and he feels no sorrow. Yet you want to defend him?

Of course jon stewart making fun of glenn beck's conspiracy theory totally debunks what soros did to the jews. Not.

I cannot speak of what soros does behind closed door because I dont know, but from what he has done to his own people says enough for me. He has done it before and will do it again. History always repeats itself.

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But Obama's closest adviser, Valerie Jarrett, received the harshest criticism.

Politico writers Ben White and Maggie Haberman note that early in his presidency, Obama chose Jarrett to be his liaison with corporate America, even though she had no knowledge or experience to help her understand the concerns of those with whom she was dealing. Worse, these financial leaders found that all she was interested in was "pushing the administration’s agenda, rather than engaging in any kind of dialogue about how to foster better economic growth in the wake of the financial crisis."

Politico goes on to say:
“Valerie immediately designated herself as business liaison in the White House, and there is no one I know who respects her as a businessperson or thinks she knows anything about business,” said one prominent Democrat on Wall Street who is otherwise very sympathetic to the Obama administration. “You would have these meetings with her, and then absolutely nothing would happen. So people just stopped having them.”
Naturally, Jarrett and other White House officials reject this characterization, claiming it is just sour grapes from a financial sector that needed reigning in by Obama and his anti-business policies.

However, one might give these unnamed financial sector leaders a bit of credence when noting that the economy has struggled since the day Obama took office and none of his policies have brought relief.

Still, whoever you side with, the business and financial sector or the anti-business White House, it is clear that the Obama administration has shown little interest in working with the business sector. The Obama White House wants no input--just obedience.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/11/Dems-Slam-Valerie-Jarrett-Lacks-Any-Knowledge-About-Business

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Taxpayer-funded group behind drug injection site under scrutiny after audit finds financial ‘irregularities’

Progressives personally profiting from their taxpayer funded drug dependency industry. You were saying? There may be corrupt people on the side that you hate. But spare me the BS that the corruption is not happening on the other side of the fence at the same time.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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George soros is a piece of shit. He selected his own countrymen to be executed by the nazi's to save his own hide and he feels no sorrow. Yet you want to defend him?

Of course jon stewart making fun of glenn beck's conspiracy theory totally debunks what soros did to the jews. Not.

I cannot speak of what soros does behind closed door because I dont know, but from what he has done to his own people says enough for me. He has done it before and will do it again. History always repeats itself.

And the Bush family made a fair bit of money dealing with the Nazis. Don't think that dampened your support for him very much.

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regulator

George soros is a piece of shit. He selected his own countrymen to be executed by the nazi's to save his own hide and he feels no sorrow. Yet you want to defend him?

Of course jon stewart making fun of glenn beck's conspiracy theory totally debunks what soros did to the jews. Not.

I cannot speak of what soros does behind closed door because I dont know, but from what he has done to his own people says enough for me. He has done it before and will do it again. History always repeats itself.

You really do need to get a firmer grip on historical reality...