Pioneer or Settler Spirit

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When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[wmw999 2,589]

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Everyone puts themselves in a box. Actually, it is a self defined sphere of consciousness. We all know what is on the inside of the sphere. The question, for me anyway, is, what is on the outside of the sphere?

And off in tangent-land, one of the things I find interesting is people who define those boxes very tightly (e.g. Amish, orthodox of some religions, nuns/monks, etc), with lots and lots of rules regulating the earthly existence.

It makes the inside box (which is where you live daily) much smaller. The restrictions, according to some, remind you daily of following the Lord. But either way, it's a way of changing the size of the world downwards. As someone who's always looking for a bigger world (it's my nature), I find that fascinating, because it's entirely possible, and just as worthwhile, to study subjects down to the detail, rather than always scanning them for major patterns.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[RonD1120 62]

wmw999

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Everyone puts themselves in a box. Actually, it is a self defined sphere of consciousness. We all know what is on the inside of the sphere. The question, for me anyway, is, what is on the outside of the sphere?

And off in tangent-land, one of the things I find interesting is people who define those boxes very tightly (e.g. Amish, orthodox of some religions, nuns/monks, etc), with lots and lots of rules regulating the earthly existence.

It makes the inside box (which is where you live daily) much smaller. The restrictions, according to some, remind you daily of following the Lord. But either way, it's a way of changing the size of the world downwards. As someone who's always looking for a bigger world (it's my nature), I find that fascinating, because it's entirely possible, and just as worthwhile, to study subjects down to the detail, rather than always scanning them for major patterns.

Wendy P.

When I read your first paragraph I immediately thought of engineers and attorneys, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Your second paragraph sparked a question. When seeking a bigger world, how do you break the boundary of your sphere of consciousness?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wmw999 2,589]

To the first

To the second: It depends on how you define sphere of consciousness, and how you define breaking the bounds. For some, it's theology (some of which I find to be the most arrogant study of all -- "How I think God really feels"); for others, it's philosophy, and for others, it's the unknown parts of science.

And plenty of people just don't care about that; either they're not like that, or they're so busy taking care of daily needs that they don't have any room left over for trying to step outside their quotidian lives.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[RonD1120 62]

wmw999

To the first

To the second: It depends on how you define sphere of consciousness, and how you define breaking the bounds. For some, it's theology (some of which I find to be the most arrogant study of all -- "How I think God really feels"); for others, it's philosophy, and for others, it's the unknown parts of science.

And plenty of people just don't care about that; either they're not like that, or they're so busy taking care of daily needs that they don't have any room left over for trying to step outside their quotidian lives.

Wendy P.

I was hoping you would share a first person specific method in both definition and application.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RonD1120

***To the first

To the second: It depends on how you define sphere of consciousness, and how you define breaking the bounds. For some, it's theology (some of which I find to be the most arrogant study of all -- "How I think God really feels"); for others, it's philosophy, and for others, it's the unknown parts of science.

And plenty of people just don't care about that; either they're not like that, or they're so busy taking care of daily needs that they don't have any room left over for trying to step outside their quotidian lives.

Wendy P.

I was hoping you would share a first person specific method in both definition and application.

It's actually pretty simple. The "box" you are in is construced of your convictions, prejudices and beliefs.

Most of which are wrong.

So you question everything. And actually listen to the answers.

Wonko the Sane had the right idea. Act like a child and assume nothing. I love it when a kid asks "Why?" It means they want to know. It's better when they actually listen to the answer (some zone out after the first sentence and just ask "Why?" again).

Most religious folks can't do this. They have been taught for far too long that the Bible is factually correct and that the priests are always right.

Racially prejudiced people can't either. They have believed far too long and far too deeply that "Those People" are inferior.

For either of those groups to reject their long and deeply held beliefs to seek the actual truth is difficult if not impossible.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[RonD1120 62]

That is interesting but, it has nothing to do with my post to wmw999.

I'll pose the same question to your. How do you break through your sphere of consciousness?

To refresh, your sphere is everything you know or know about. The unknown is everything outside of your bubble of awareness.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,596]

Get a library card.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rwieder 0]

I'm sure he's referring to the colonial war. You know, when the brits thought they owned everything? I'm sure there's a few that still resent that fact. Odd no one has ever tried to commadere the UK, (Besides Hitler) but then I guess that's indicative of how bad anyone else wants that territory.

Best-
Richard

[jakee 1,596]

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Odd no one has ever tried to commadere the UK,

Apart from the Romans, the Angles, the Saxons, the Vikings, the Danes, the Normans, the French, the Spanish and the Germans?

Britain is like catnip to the rest of northern Europe.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RonD1120

That is interesting but, it has nothing to do with my post to wmw999.

I'll pose the same question to you. How do you break through your sphere of consciousness?

To refresh, your sphere is everything you know or know about. The unknown is everything outside of your bubble of awareness.

Right. To get outside of what you know or are willing to learn.

You need objectivity and open mindedness.

To break past what you know, or more importantly, think you know, you have to be willing to admit that you don't know everything and that what you do know is wrong.

That open mindedness (along with willingness) is the key to expanding knowledge.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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jakee

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Odd no one has ever tried to commadere the UK,

Apart from the Romans, the Angles, the Saxons, the Vikings, the Danes, the Normans, the French, the Spanish and the Germans?

Britain is like catnip to the rest of northern Europe.

Beat me to it.
That reminded the post just after 9/11 where a poster said something along the lines of "how would you brits know, you have never had to deal with terrorism"

Ain't ignorance wonderful?

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[wmw999 2,589]

I don't have a session in my past where Jesus spoke to me. There have been opportunities, but they didn't happen. I also don't have a session in my past where someone who was dead spoke to my in my dreams, or where a Ouija board guided me (in fact, once in college, the other girls said that the Ouija board said I was a disbelieving influence -- I think they just didn't really like me), or anything else like that. Nor aliens. I haven't managed to achieve zazen in meditation, or the ability to comfortably lie on a bed of nails using yoga. I accept that others can, or at least define states where this appears ot happen.

I do think there are spheres that we don't necessarily tap into naturally, or at least most of us. Whether it's the spiritual connection of a close group (which I have felt in a church I used to belong to), or belief in the paranormal, or whatever. I don't appear to have much talent in that direction, so I'll accept that some people have skills I don't. Fine; I'll spend my time in this life, assuming that it matters, too. If it doesn't, why do we have it?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

Fine; I'll spend my time in this life, assuming that it matters, too. If it doesn't, why do we have it?

We tell ourselves lies, because the truth is too unbearable.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[wmw999 2,589]

It can matter because of our effect on others and on this life regardless. I volunteer at a homeless shelter, I recycle -- neither of these is out of pure self-interest (which is why I drive a fuel-efficient car), but because I'd rather leave some parts of the world better than I found them.

I suppose you could call that a form of self-interest at well, but tough shit. I pick up trash sometimes, too. Even sometimes where I don't expect ever to be again.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rwieder 0]

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Ain't ignorance wonderful?

I'm sure your speaking from personal experience on the "Ignorance is wonderful" comment. You guys in the UK are worse than the French, ya'll think the entire world is beneath you. I got news for ya friendo, it's not so. You poor devils. It's that kind of attitude that sets cultures apart. Thus the reason for so much hate and discontent in the entire globe. Focus your energies on something else once in a while, something positive.

If I knew I had to go all the way back to Genesis to make my point I would have. It was an AD remark not BC. Get it??

Best-
Richard

[Stumpy 284]

rwieder

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Ain't ignorance wonderful?

I'm sure your speaking from personal experience on the "Ignorance is wonderful" comment. You guys in the UK are worse than the French,.....
If I knew I had to go all the way back to Genesis to make my point I would have. It was an AD remark not BC. Get it??

Thanks for proving my point, in so many ways.
a) You are still wrong


When you find yourself standing in a hole, stop digging.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[RonD1120 62]

wolfriverjoe

***That is interesting but, it has nothing to do with my post to wmw999.

I'll pose the same question to you. How do you break through your sphere of consciousness?

To refresh, your sphere is everything you know or know about. The unknown is everything outside of your bubble of awareness.

Right. To get outside of what you know or are willing to learn.

You need objectivity and open mindedness.

To break past what you know, or more importantly, think you know, you have to be willing to admit that you don't know everything and that what you do know is wrong.

That open mindedness (along with willingness) is the key to expanding knowledge.

OK, we are on the same page.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

wmw999

I don't have a session in my past where Jesus spoke to me. There have been opportunities, but they didn't happen. I also don't have a session in my past where someone who was dead spoke to my in my dreams, or where a Ouija board guided me (in fact, once in college, the other girls said that the Ouija board said I was a disbelieving influence -- I think they just didn't really like me), or anything else like that. Nor aliens. I haven't managed to achieve zazen in meditation, or the ability to comfortably lie on a bed of nails using yoga. I accept that others can, or at least define states where this appears ot happen.

I do think there are spheres that we don't necessarily tap into naturally, or at least most of us. Whether it's the spiritual connection of a close group (which I have felt in a church I used to belong to), or belief in the paranormal, or whatever. I don't appear to have much talent in that direction, so I'll accept that some people have skills I don't. Fine; I'll spend my time in this life, assuming that it matters, too. If it doesn't, why do we have it?

Wendy P.

Then I assume you are a consummate expert in your professional field, seeking the infinite detail that is yet to be quantified.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wmw999 2,589]

No, just willing to accept that I can't know it all, and that keeping an open mind that things I can't personally quantify or experience can still be real.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[RonD1120 62]

wmw999

No, just willing to accept that I can't know it all, and that keeping an open mind that things I can't personally quantify or experience can still be real.

Wendy P.

I like your response.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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rwieder

I'm sure he's referring to the colonial war. You know, when the brits thought they owned everything?

Thats some funny shit coming from a Yank, Pot meet kettle...

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I'm sure there's a few that still resent that fact. Odd no one has ever tried to commadere the UK, (Besides Hitler) but then I guess that's indicative of how bad anyone else wants that territory.

Your grip on history is embarrassing. I guess you've never heard of the Danes, Romans, Normans, Vikings, Saxons, Spanish, French and of course Angela Merkel.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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rwieder

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Ain't ignorance wonderful?

I'm sure your speaking from personal experience on the "Ignorance is wonderful" comment. You guys in the UK are worse than the French, ya'll think the entire world is beneath you. I got news for ya friendo, it's not so. You poor devils. It's that kind of attitude that sets cultures apart. Thus the reason for so much hate and discontent in the entire globe. Focus your energies on something else once in a while, something positive.

If I knew I had to go all the way back to Genesis to make my point I would have. It was an AD remark not BC. Get it??

Best-
Richard

OK you're just embarrassing yourself now.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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***I'm sure he's referring to the colonial war. You know, when the brits thought they owned everything?

Thats some funny shit coming from a Yank, Pot meet kettle...

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I'm sure there's a few that still resent that fact. Odd no one has ever tried to commadere the UK, (Besides Hitler) but then I guess that's indicative of how bad anyone else wants that territory.

Your grip on history is embarrassing. I guess you've never heard of the Danes, Romans, Normans, Vikings, Saxons, Spanish, French and of course Angela Merkel.

I think the invasions of other groups of former colonials from around the world has had a more profound effect on the UK than those other groups a thousand years ago had.

[jakee 1,596]

rwieder

You guys in the UK are worse than the French, ya'll think the entire world is beneath you. I got news for ya friendo, it's not so.

You seem angry at the idea that British people think they're better than you. Is it because, as an American, you've been taught your whole life that the USA is exceptional: the greatest, free-est, rootinest, tootinest, most gosh-darn amazing nation on earth?

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It was an AD remark not BC. Get it??

Right, so in AD you've got the Romans, the Angles, the Saxons, the Vikings, the Danes, the Normans, the French, the Spanish and the Germans.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?