Why does Obama, continue to defer the benefits of Obamacare?

[brenthutch 444]

If it is so good, why make exceptions and postponements?

[quade 4]

brenthutch

If it is so good, why make exceptions and postponements?

Why do any laws ever take effect at a later time as opposed to instantly? To allow for a period of adjustment. If, during that period of adjustment it is discovered a further adjustment needs to be made, it can be made.

However, with the current do-less-than-the-do-nothing-Congress in place, that adjustment has to come from somewhere. Since Congress has decided it will NOT act in any way that is positive to ACA, the President is sort of the only person left who can do anything.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[brenthutch 444]

quade

***If it is so good, why make exceptions and postponements?

Why do any laws ever take effect at a later time as opposed to instantly? To allow for a period of adjustment. If, during that period of adjustment it is discovered a further adjustment needs to be made, it can be made.

However, with the current do-less-than-the-do-nothing-Congress in place, that adjustment has to come from somewhere. Since Congress has decided it will NOT act in any way that is positive to ACA, the President is sort of the only person left who can do anything.

Why do we have to make "adjustments" to a law that will increase coverage, lower costs and be a benefit everyone, from large corporations to single parents working for minimum wage? I want my Obama care and I want it now!

[quade 4]

brenthutch

******If it is so good, why make exceptions and postponements?

Why do any laws ever take effect at a later time as opposed to instantly? To allow for a period of adjustment. If, during that period of adjustment it is discovered a further adjustment needs to be made, it can be made.

However, with the current do-less-than-the-do-nothing-Congress in place, that adjustment has to come from somewhere. Since Congress has decided it will NOT act in any way that is positive to ACA, the President is sort of the only person left who can do anything.

Why do we have to make "adjustments" to a law that will increase coverage, lower costs and be a benefit everyone, from large corporations to single parents working for minimum wage? I want my Obama care and I want it now!

Because, it appears, enough corporations bitched about the changes that would hurt short term profits if it went into place sooner than later. I can even see where that might be the case with some companies who had made old style contracts with healthcare providers in the interim hoping beyond all hope the Republicans would be successful in a complete overturn even after 40ish failed attempts.

But trust me, I can nearly 100% guarantee you pushing back provisions is the LAST thing Obama wants to do.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[brenthutch 444]

So Obama is a corporate stooge, who bends to political expediency?

[kelpdiver 2]

brenthutch

So Obama is a corporate stooge, who bends to political expediency?

It's not by accident that many call him Bush II. The answer is 70% yes to your question.

Obamacare was signed into law less than 4 years ago, and got signed off by the Courts only 1.6 years ago. It impacts tens of millions directly, and the rest of us indirectly. How long do you think it takes to implement such a substantial change? One answer is: longer than it should if the opposition party wants it to.

[Andy9o8 3]

OK, how does this differ from this thread? The King changes ACA once again
Just wondering. Or is it like a gun thread; you can never have enough?

Eh, but far be it for me to criticize. No siree, not me. Post away.

Anyhow, quade's and kelp's answers are correct.

[airdvr 210]

kelpdiver

***So Obama is a corporate stooge, who bends to political expediency?

It's not by accident that many call him Bush II. The answer is 70% yes to your question.

Obamacare was signed into law less than 4 years ago, and got signed off by the Courts only 1.6 years ago. It impacts tens of millions directly, and the rest of us indirectly. How long do you think it takes to implement such a substantial change? One answer is: longer than it should if the opposition party wants it to.

By that reasoning we'd still have prohibition.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Andy9o8 3]

airdvr

******So Obama is a corporate stooge, who bends to political expediency?

It's not by accident that many call him Bush II. The answer is 70% yes to your question.

Obamacare was signed into law less than 4 years ago, and got signed off by the Courts only 1.6 years ago. It impacts tens of millions directly, and the rest of us indirectly. How long do you think it takes to implement such a substantial change? One answer is: longer than it should if the opposition party wants it to.

By that reasoning we'd still have prohibition.

You're suggesting we don't? What do you suppose feeds our criminal justice-penitentiary complex?

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quade

But trust me, I can nearly 100% guarantee you pushing back provisions is the LAST thing Obama wants to do.

But he has too because all the Dems will get voted out if he doesnt

So, he becomes lawless to keep power

Remember, these changes are not executive orders (which he has some power to do) He is re-writing laws. Which he has no power to do but is being allowed to get away with

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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quade

*********If it is so good, why make exceptions and postponements?

Why do any laws ever take effect at a later time as opposed to instantly? To allow for a period of adjustment. If, during that period of adjustment it is discovered a further adjustment needs to be made, it can be made.

However, with the current do-less-than-the-do-nothing-Congress in place, that adjustment has to come from somewhere. Since Congress has decided it will NOT act in any way that is positive to ACA, the President is sort of the only person left who can do anything.

Why do we have to make "adjustments" to a law that will increase coverage, lower costs and be a benefit everyone, from large corporations to single parents working for minimum wage? I want my Obama care and I want it now!

Because, it appears, enough corporations bitched about the changes that would hurt short term profits if it went into place sooner than later. I can even see where that might be the case with some companies who had made old style contracts with healthcare providers in the interim hoping beyond all hope the Republicans would be successful in a complete overturn even after 40ish failed attempts.

But trust me, I can nearly 100% guarantee you pushing back provisions is the LAST thing Obama wants to do.


Seriously? The ACA was designed to fail so it can default to a single payer system.

Anyone can see the method to obama's madness. SINGLE PAYER

[lawrocket 3]

quade

Why do any laws ever take effect at a later time as opposed to instantly?

To give people notice of a change. Typically in Cali, new laws take effect on July 1 and January 1.

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To allow for a period of adjustment. If, during that period of adjustment it is discovered a further adjustment needs to be made, it can be made.

Um - the legislature makes these changes.

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However, with the current do-less-than-the-do-nothing-Congress in place, that adjustment has to come from somewhere.

From a dictator. That's it. We need a dictator. The whole checks and balances system is pretty quaint.

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Since Congress has decided it will NOT act in any way that is positive to ACA,

Congress MADE the ACA. I personally am liking not seeing changes made, because it appears that just about everything that was warned about is happening.

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the President is sort of the only person left who can do anything.

True. He was sort of the only person who could have prevented this debacle, too. But he lobbied for it. He is getting EXACTLY what he wanted. It's just that the effect isn't what he wanted.

It's unfortunate that we cannot rhetoric our way out of this. If rhetoric was the key to success of a program, this would have been the moonshot of public policy.

Edit:
Let's look at other things the President should do:
"Congress will not get off it's ass and declare war. So I am doing it."
"Congress will not pass a law restricting the 4th Amendment. So I am waiving the requirement of probable cause for arrests and searches."
"Congress will not ban handguns. So I am issuing an executive order confiscating all firearms from all private citizens."
"Congress will not increase taxes. So I am directing the IRS to seize 50% of all money held in savings and checking accounts."

IF the ACA can't be amended, it's because of the checks and balances. This is kind of what happens when one party shoves something down the throat of the other party. When the unintended consequence happens, the other party will let the other party be hoisted on its own petard.

"You wanted it. You got it. And you can keep it."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[airdvr 210]

Andy9o8

*********So Obama is a corporate stooge, who bends to political expediency?

It's not by accident that many call him Bush II. The answer is 70% yes to your question.

Obamacare was signed into law less than 4 years ago, and got signed off by the Courts only 1.6 years ago. It impacts tens of millions directly, and the rest of us indirectly. How long do you think it takes to implement such a substantial change? One answer is: longer than it should if the opposition party wants it to.

By that reasoning we'd still have prohibition.

You're suggesting we don't? What do you suppose feeds our criminal justice-penitentiary complex?

Do they require any classes on the Constitution at the Sears Attorney School?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Andy9o8 3]

airdvr

************So Obama is a corporate stooge, who bends to political expediency?

It's not by accident that many call him Bush II. The answer is 70% yes to your question.

Obamacare was signed into law less than 4 years ago, and got signed off by the Courts only 1.6 years ago. It impacts tens of millions directly, and the rest of us indirectly. How long do you think it takes to implement such a substantial change? One answer is: longer than it should if the opposition party wants it to.

By that reasoning we'd still have prohibition.

You're suggesting we don't? What do you suppose feeds our criminal justice-penitentiary complex?

Do they require any classes on the Constitution at the Sears Attorney School?

LOL, what do you mean, "school"?

[airdvr 210]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xsr1r9bQqpA

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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quade

***If it is so good, why make exceptions and postponements?

Why do any laws ever take effect at a later time as opposed to instantly? To allow for a period of adjustment. If, during that period of adjustment it is discovered a further adjustment needs to be made, it can be made.

However, with the current do-less-than-the-do-nothing-Congress in place, that adjustment has to come from somewhere. Since Congress has decided it will NOT act in any way that is positive to ACA, the President is sort of the only person left who can do anything.

So you honestly do not believe that it is to help his political party?

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