What's the difference between creation theory and evolution theory?

[RonD1120 62]

GeorgiaDon

*********In the body of Christ some believe that unresolved deep seated anger leads to the development of physiological disease such as cancer.

Well, those people are delusional.

What is your approach to relieving deep seated anger?What is your evidence that anger causes cancer?

Don

Please re-read my statement.

Consider:

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psy·cho·so·mat·ic adjective \-sə-ˈma-tik\
: caused by mental or emotional problems rather than by physical illness

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[GeorgiaDon 379]

I did you the courtesy of re-reading your post, and it still says that "deep-seated anger leads to physiological disease such as cancer". Note that "psychosomatic" does not mean "physiological", indeed it's pretty much the opposite. So once again, can you link to any published study in any medical journal that links anger to cancer?

Now, I don't dispute that living in a constant state of anger is not a desirable state of affairs. I'll even concede that, for some people, turning to religion may help alleviate their anger. I think there is a pretty simple non-supernatural explanation for that, though. A lot of anger is about not being in control; people who need to be in charge, or think they are "special" (the best at their job, or some sport, for example) get angry when their authority or specialness is challenged. If you make yourself subservient to some big guy in the sky, you demote yourself from having to "win" all the time; whatever happens is part of "His" plan, a plan we mere humans can't begin to fathom. It really doesn't matter if the "big guy" exists or not, the trick is all in surrendering the need to "win". People who "go with the flow" tend to be a lot less stressed out than people who have to be in charge or on top all the time.

Don

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[kallend 2,131]

Bertt

So while we're on the subject, I'm curious about something. The Bible says God created man in His image, and Bible believers don't like Darwin's theory of evolution. The Bible also says God said "Let there be light" and there was light, but I've never heard a Bible believer raise an objection to Maxwell's theory of electromagnetism. What's the difference ?

Easy! Darwin was English and Maxwell was Scottish.

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kallend

***So while we're on the subject, I'm curious about something. The Bible says God created man in His image, and Bible believers don't like Darwin's theory of evolution. The Bible also says God said "Let there be light" and there was light, but I've never heard a Bible believer raise an objection to Maxwell's theory of electromagnetism. What's the difference ?

Easy! Darwin was English and Maxwell was Scottish.

I was waiting for the "professor" to weigh in before saying this, congratulations on a 100% group fail, on an open book test, LOL.

The difference between creation theory, evolution theory, and Maxwell's theory is the adjunct noun modifier, which is a noun used as an adjective, so there is no important difference between them because they are all theories, theories are not fact, they are not science, they are not "truth," they are not anything except systems of ideas based on assumptions that are intended to explain something, they are frameworks that generate hypotheses that can be tested that support or challenge the assumptions the theory is based on, this intrusion of reality into your yammering is now over, carry on, LOL.

Jan

P.s. No difference between the theorists either, LOL.

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bakerjan

...so there is no important difference between them because they are all theories, theories are not fact, they are not science, they are not "truth," they are not anything except systems of ideas based on assumptions that are intended to explain something, they are frameworks that generate hypotheses that can be tested that support or challenge the assumptions the theory is based on, this intrusion of reality into your yammering is now over, carry on, LOL.

Jan

P.s. No difference between the theorists either, LOL.

From your own link (bolding mine):

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Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge,[2] in contrast to more common uses of the word "theory" that imply that something is unproven or speculative (which is better defined by the word 'hypothesis').[3] Scientific theories are distinguished from hypotheses, which are individual empirically testable conjectures, and scientific laws, which are descriptive accounts of how nature will behave under certain conditions.[4]

As I said in the other thread, people who say "It's just a theory" have no idea what a theory really is.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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wolfriverjoe

***...so there is no important difference between them because they are all theories, theories are not fact, they are not science, they are not "truth," they are not anything except systems of ideas based on assumptions that are intended to explain something, they are frameworks that generate hypotheses that can be tested that support or challenge the assumptions the theory is based on, this intrusion of reality into your yammering is now over, carry on, LOL.

Jan

P.s. No difference between the theorists either, LOL.

From your own link (bolding mine):

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Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge,[2] in contrast to more common uses of the word "theory" that imply that something is unproven or speculative (which is better defined by the word 'hypothesis').[3] Scientific theories are distinguished from hypotheses, which are individual empirically testable conjectures, and scientific laws, which are descriptive accounts of how nature will behave under certain conditions.[4]

As I said in the other thread, people who say "It's just a theory" have no idea what a theory really is.

Neither do you, you didnt make the adjunct noun modifier bold too, "scientific theories" without the scientific are just theories, but whats your point anyway, creation theory is a scientific theory too, congratulations on joining the group fail, LOL.

Jan

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bakerjan

Neither do you, you didnt make the adjunct noun modifier bold too, "scientific theories" without the scientific are just theories, but whats your point anyway, creation theory is a scientific theory too, congratulations on joining the group fail, LOL.

Jan

Creation theory is not a scientific theory It does not make testable predictions and is not falsifiable.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[jakee 1,583]

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In the body of Christ some believe that unresolved deep seated anger leads to the development of physiological disease such as cancer.

When Jesus becomes angry he gets cancer?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,583]

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which is a noun used as an adjective, so there is no important difference between them because they are all theories,

No. By scientific definition creation theory is not a theory.

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theories are not fact,

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Like gravity, unlike creationism.

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they are not science... they are not anything except systems of ideas based on assumptions that are intended to explain something, they are frameworks that generate hypotheses that can be tested that support or challenge the assumptions the theory is based on

So, ummm, what do you think science is?

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this intrusion of reality into your yammering is now over, carry on, LOL.

"Intrusion of reality"? I agree, that is laugh out loud funny!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jakee

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which is a noun used as an adjective, so there is no important difference between them because they are all theories,

No. By scientific definition creation theory is not a theory.

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theories are not fact,

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Like gravity, unlike creationism.

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they are not science... they are not anything except systems of ideas based on assumptions that are intended to explain something, they are frameworks that generate hypotheses that can be tested that support or challenge the assumptions the theory is based on

So, ummm, what do you think science is?

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this intrusion of reality into your yammering is now over, carry on, LOL.

"Intrusion of reality"? I agree, that is laugh out loud funny!

the group fail continues, you all need to think critically instead of spew anti-science prejudices and Pavlov dog responses like demented parrots, the "Science" of evolution is as "settled" as "global warming", sorry to confuse you with the facts, LOL.

Jan

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

I thought telling lies was a sin.

There are so many falsehoods, both direct lies and lies by omission on that site, it's hilarious.

One of the better ones is saying that Darwin and his colleagues were all atheists or agnostics. Third grade level books tell the truth that Darwin was deeply religious, and his conclusions troubled him greatly.

I was expecting "Answers In Genesis", but that site is just about as bad.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[jakee 1,583]

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the group fail continues, you all need to think critically instead of spew anti-science prejudices and Pavlov dog responses like demented parrots, the "Science" of evolution is as "settled" as "global warming", sorry to confuse you with the facts, LOL.

So many non-sequiturs, so little time You've constructed such a dense wall of gibberish to protect yourself with that I think, for once, I'm going to abide by the old maxim and not argue with an idiot.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[GeorgiaDon 379]

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he group fail continues, you all need to think critically instead of spew anti-science prejudices and Pavlov dog responses like demented parrots, the "Science" of evolution is as "settled" as "global warming", sorry to confuse you with the facts, LOL.

The theory of evolution is about as settled as the theory of gravity (well, I'd say a bit more settled than gravity).

Now, gravity is a scientific theory. The exact nature of what causes gravity is a matter of ongoing research. Is it distortion of space/time creating "gravity wells"? Is there such a thing as quantum gravity, with gravitons and gravity waves? What is the relationship of gravity to electromagnitism and the strong and weak nuclear forces? Do such ongoing questions cause us to suppose that gravity doesn't exist? Is it equally reasonable to suggest that gravity occurs due to angels pushing us down towards the Earth? Do angels also push the Moon along in it's orbit around the Earth?

How would you suggest we could go about falsifying the "theory" that gravity occurs due to angels pushing things around? Would you jump without a parachute, to see if those angels would really push you to the ground and kill you? Wouldn't a merciful God call off His angels, allowing you to float to the ground safely?

"Creation science" allows no testable hypotheses, as any possible outcome of any possible experiment could be manipulated by "God" to produce any outcome of His choosing.

If "creation science" is true, and evolution false, I wish you would ask God to stop creating all those drug resistant pathogens.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[RonD1120 62]

GeorgiaDon

I did you the courtesy of re-reading your post, and it still says that "deep-seated anger leads to physiological disease such as cancer". Note that "psychosomatic" does not mean "physiological", indeed it's pretty much the opposite. So once again, can you link to any published study in any medical journal that links anger to cancer?

Now, I don't dispute that living in a constant state of anger is not a desirable state of affairs. I'll even concede that, for some people, turning to religion may help alleviate their anger. I think there is a pretty simple non-supernatural explanation for that, though. A lot of anger is about not being in control; people who need to be in charge, or think they are "special" (the best at their job, or some sport, for example) get angry when their authority or specialness is challenged. If you make yourself subservient to some big guy in the sky, you demote yourself from having to "win" all the time; whatever happens is part of "His" plan, a plan we mere humans can't begin to fathom. It really doesn't matter if the "big guy" exists or not, the trick is all in surrendering the need to "win". People who "go with the flow" tend to be a lot less stressed out than people who have to be in charge or on top all the time.

Don

Despite the differences in phraseology I think we are in close agreement. The key words in my statement that you reference are "some believe." I do not know but I believe that a relationship between deep seated unresolved and cancer is plausible. Counseling is based on subjective reasoning.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

jakee

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In the body of Christ some believe that unresolved deep seated anger leads to the development of physiological disease such as cancer.

When Jesus becomes angry he gets cancer?

The Scripture records one major instance of Jesus' anger. In that situation He expressed and released His anger on the money changers at the temple. Jesus now has a resurrected spiritual and glorified body and does not experience such emotions. At least, I have no reason to believe He does.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,583]

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Counseling is based on subjective reasoning.

Oncology isn't.


(Ron, do you write for the Daily Mail?)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,583]

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The Scripture records one major instance of Jesus' anger. In that situation He expressed and released His anger on the money changers at the temple.

And that was just before he got leukemia?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jakee

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the group fail continues, you all need to think critically instead of spew anti-science prejudices and Pavlov dog responses like demented parrots, the "Science" of evolution is as "settled" as "global warming", sorry to confuse you with the facts, LOL.

So many non-sequiturs, so little time You've constructed such a dense wall of gibberish to protect yourself with that I think, for once, I'm going to abide by the old maxim and not argue with an idiot.

Im glad to know that you are going to stop talking to yourself, that's what you religious freakos do when you pray, you know, talk to yourself, but thanks Ill take your advice, even though I didn't argue, just pointed out some facts that are obvious to people who aren't religious freakos, LOL.

Byebye.

Jan

[kallend 2,131]

Well, as nutty as he is, Pat Robertson reckons Ken Ham is even nuttier:

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MWAbr-SoMAs

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