kallend 2,175 #1 February 10, 2014 50 years old this year and closer to reality than was admitted. www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/01/strangelove-for-real.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2 February 10, 2014 kallend50 years old this year and closer to reality than was admitted. www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/01/strangelove-for-real.html Crazy times that we managed to survive. There's still the threat of nuclear war, but the more probable scenarios now are limited exchanges or a single event. Seems to be a little irony in fearing the nuclear winter now that we fear the opposite. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 February 10, 2014 kelpdiver***50 years old this year and closer to reality than was admitted. www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/01/strangelove-for-real.html Crazy times that we managed to survive. There's still the threat of nuclear war, but the more probable scenarios now are limited exchanges or a single event. Seems to be a little irony in fearing the nuclear winter now that we fear the opposite. "Do you want to play a game?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 February 10, 2014 Such a brilliant film. One of my all-time favorites. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #5 February 10, 2014 "Shoot, a fellow could have pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff" - Major T.J. "King" Kong - One of the best movies ever, and just coincidently watching "Modern Marvels" Strategic Air Command while reading this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #6 February 10, 2014 For those not familiar with the Peter Sellers/Beatles/Dr. Strangelove audio, I link it here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICPmZkK3PaY Search youtube for Peter Sellers Beatles for a lot more off the wall versions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #7 February 10, 2014 Quote Such a brilliant film. One of my all-time favorites. More of a documentary than any of us may ever know. Thank goodness Curtis LeMay was on our side.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #8 February 11, 2014 "Well boys I reckon this is it, nuclear combat toe to toe with the Rueskeys" On goes the Cowboy hat and into the saddle. Truly a classic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #9 February 11, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKR32ImWYzw Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 February 11, 2014 also a very early appearance by the voice of Darth Vader, James Earl Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,471 #11 February 11, 2014 Hi John, 50 yrs ago a friend and I went to see it. We were the only ones laughing throughout the movie. Everyone kept looking at us, as in 'This is serious S***, why are you laughing?' JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #12 February 11, 2014 kelpdiveralso a very early appearance by the voice of Darth Vader, James Earl Jones. Yes, could not think of his name...the younger James Earl which popped out of the lower floor hatch and asked if it was some kind of loyalty test...something like that. George C. Scott was awesome in his role, that was some funny stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #13 February 12, 2014 Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKR32ImWYzw What a great movie!We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #14 February 12, 2014 It's a great spoof and comedy mixed with some irony. Dr. Strangelove is a masterpiece but "closer to reality than was admitted????" Have you EVER been inside the command center of Strategic Air Command now the US Strategic Command OR the National Military Command Center in the Pentagon and observed some of the stuff from this movie going on in these two places? Do tell. Maybe I missed some of those antics when I was there, I'm all ears, we can swap war stories...really! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #15 February 12, 2014 BoomerdogIt's a great spoof and comedy mixed with some irony. Dr. Strangelove is a masterpiece but "closer to reality than was admitted????" Have you EVER been inside the command center of Strategic Air Command now the US Strategic Command OR the National Military Command Center in the Pentagon and observed some of the stuff from this movie going on in these two places? Do tell. Maybe I missed some of those antics when I was there, I'm all ears, we can swap war stories...really! Did you read the linked article? I have this feeling you might be missing something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #16 February 12, 2014 Yes...the source is considered and found wanting. Sorry not buying. Policy issues and mission taskings always get debated. Misbehavior does happen and when discovered and given the nature of the mission, there is zero tolerance and career ending consequences. It's NOT and never has been a perfect system in spite of the desire to achieve it and if you've ever read how Gen Curtis LeMay ran SAC, you'd know his standards and the justice he metted out to those who did not strive for the highest standards. But it did work. No excuses mind you but the New Yorker is not exactly a source known to be balanced. They write stories to attract readership and sell advertising space...I get that but experience has shown me that the press will take what facts that may exist, provide their own context and background and voila before you know it, they can turn angels into devils and the reverse. Sorry...just not buying. Keep throwing rocks if you like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,610 #17 February 12, 2014 Boomerdog Have you EVER been inside the command center of Strategic Air Command now the US Strategic Command OR the National Military Command Center in the Pentagon and observed some of the stuff from this movie going on in these two places? Do tell. Yeah... No one's claiming it was a documentary.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #18 February 12, 2014 BoomerdogYes...the source is considered and found wanting. Sorry not buying. Policy issues and mission taskings always get debated. Misbehavior does happen and when discovered and given the nature of the mission, there is zero tolerance and career ending consequences. So after General Ripper caused the end of the world, we would have been sure to kill his promotion track? That's comforting. Doesn't change the reality that we were vulnerable to this problem during that time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,610 #19 February 12, 2014 kelpdiver So after General Ripper caused the end of the world, we would have been sure to kill his promotion track? That's comforting. Doesn't change the reality that we were vulnerable to this problem during that time. "According to a report by the Inspector General of the Air Force, Carey had consumed too much alcohol during an official trip to Russia, behaved rudely toward Russian officers, spent time with “suspect” young foreign women in Moscow, loudly discussed sensitive information in a public hotel lounge there, and drunkenly pleaded to get onstage and sing with a Beatles cover band at La Cantina, a Mexican restaurant near Red Square. " Luckily(?) it sounds like there were more real life Buck Turgidson's than Jack D. Ripper'sDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 February 12, 2014 jakee Luckily(?) it sounds like there were more real life Buck Turgidson's than Jack D. Ripper's Hey! I saw how easy it was for SPECTER to steal nuclear weapons from the RAF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #21 February 13, 2014 QuoteSo after General Ripper caused the end of the world, we would have been sure to kill his promotion track Hmmmm...you might be right but we'll never know...it wasn't in the script was it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #22 February 13, 2014 I have no disagreement with General Carey's dismissal as Commander of 20th Air Force. At a minimum, he'll be dropped from the promotion list. He may face court martial for conduct unbecoming an officer. I read about this a few weeks ago but I don't know if the Commander of the Air Force Global Strike Command recommended additional disciplinary action. Something to think about. General Carey ruined his career over behavior not exactly foreign to many of us here and the only thing we suffered was a nasty hangover. In 45 years of operational existence, SAC endured bad behavior, criminal behavior from a handful of miscreants. Once discovered, justice was swift and seemed to many, excessive. When nuclear weapons are involved, standards must be high. My father was in SAC years ago when LeMay was SAC Commander. LeMay's plane landed at the base he was stationed at unannounced. The Wing Commander and his staff hastily headed out to the flight line to greet him. LeMay got off the plane, the Wing Commander saluted and the first word's out of LeMay's mouth was, "Colonel, you're relieved." The reasons not known but LeMay in spite of the unforgiving hard ass he was known to be, had his standards for a command given the responsibility of global nuclear strike at a moments notice. To err was human but to forgive was not SAC's policy. The movie is a resounding hit in the Air Force. Watched it many times with my Air Force colleagues and we laughed our asses off each time. Yea, there's been some characters out there who pushed the envelope but at the end of the day, once discovered, the culture just would not tolerate the behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #23 February 13, 2014 Boomerdog Yea, there's been some characters out there who pushed the envelope but at the end of the day, once discovered, the culture just would not tolerate the behavior. I fear you're still missing the problem here with "once discovered." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #24 February 13, 2014 We can agree that bad behavior in the strategic nuclear forces is flat out unacceptable. It's why there are in place, regulations and protocols like the two man concept and the personnel reliability program and a pretty hefty load of technical orders which must be adhered to. Sadly, people either make mistakes or they just decide to misbehave, cut corners etc. etc. The screening processes and the background investigations do their best to determine fitness to work in such an environment. It would be nice if it were perfect and fool proof. I'd also like to have a 100% guarantee that my pack job is perfect and that the canopy will open square, stable and steerable everytime. So far, 88/89 jumps have been good, the one was a very hard opening with a busted brake line and the pack job was a good pack job by all standards of observation. Sorry, as much as i'd like to, I just can't give you perfect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #25 February 17, 2014 As Dr. Strangelove fades into the annals of History, it is only fitting to end this thread with this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihKq34Ozc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
