CameraNewbie 0 #1 February 7, 2014 http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/02/06/black-residents-oppose-trader-joes-in-portland-neighborhood-claim-it-would-attract-too-many-white-people/ What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 February 7, 2014 Why do I get the feeling I'm reading about 0.01 of the real story. Hmmm...quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #3 February 7, 2014 sounds pretty cut and dried to me. of course, with any story, you only get one side, no matter how objective some claim to be._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 February 7, 2014 sfzombie13sounds pretty cut and dried to me. of course, with any story, you only get one side, no matter how objective some claim to be. That's not true at all. It's possible to get two, reasonably fairly told sides in a story, but the writer has to be interested in telling it. Somehow, I get the feeling this particular web site isn't interested in that at all. I dunno, maybe it's the white sheet and pointy hat vibe I'm getting from them.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #5 February 7, 2014 people in SF (and elsewhere) can often oppose a new TJ store due to the traffic mess it tends to create, with cars queued up on street lanes waiting to get into the undersized parking lot. I'd be looking for that in less politically motivated coverage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #6 February 7, 2014 To me from the way you describe it...sounds like they'd bring in more business to the area. Nothing wrong with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #7 February 7, 2014 Proves no race has a monopoly on stupid people.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 February 7, 2014 regulatorTo me from the way you describe it...sounds like they'd bring in more business to the area. Nothing wrong with that. not in general, but doing no zoning or civil engineering at all has consequences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #9 February 8, 2014 just a short view, but it sounded to me like they were mad because it would make the property value go up or something, when it looked like it would make it more convenient for the poorer people with less reliable transportation to get to a grocery store closer. i would have to hear more about this to make any kind of real guess. on the face of it, it really does sound cut and dried though. on the face of it._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #10 February 8, 2014 TJ's is far from a typical ghetto store. The Blacks there are fearing gentrification. They don't want more of that kind of business money brought into the area. TJ's sells mostly items the black community doesn't want, to people the black community doesn't want around... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #11 February 8, 2014 makes more sense knowing that. as i said, i would have to look into it more to have a valid opinion, but with everything going on here, i could not care even a little bit less._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #12 February 8, 2014 QuoteThe Trader Joe’s grocery-store chain has dropped a plan to open a new store in the heart of the city’s historically African-American neighborhood after activists said the development would price black residents out of the area.[emphasis mine] I missed this part on the first pass. Let's examine what might happen and why these folks oppose it. TJ's gets built in this neighborhood and slowly the area gets revitalized. It becomes the latest "hip inner-city neighborhood" and all the 30 somethings suddenly think it's a cool address. Since none of the black folks own a home the benefit would go to the white landlords. Rents would increase and the blacks couldn't afford to live there anymore because Section 8 housing would be gone. The activists don't want it because their political power base would be gone. Follow the money.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #13 February 8, 2014 QuoteLet's examine what might happen and why these folks oppose it. TJ's gets built in this neighborhood and slowly the area gets revitalized. It becomes the latest "hip inner-city neighborhood" and all the 30 somethings suddenly think it's a cool address. Since none of the black folks own a home the benefit would go to the white landlords. Rents would increase and the blacks couldn't afford to live there anymore because Section 8 housing would be gone. The activists don't want it because their political power base would be gone. You had me right up to that last sentence. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #14 February 8, 2014 DanGQuoteLet's examine what might happen and why these folks oppose it. TJ's gets built in this neighborhood and slowly the area gets revitalized. It becomes the latest "hip inner-city neighborhood" and all the 30 somethings suddenly think it's a cool address. Since none of the black folks own a home the benefit would go to the white landlords. Rents would increase and the blacks couldn't afford to live there anymore because Section 8 housing would be gone. The activists don't want it because their political power base would be gone. You had me right up to that last sentence. Follow the money?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #15 February 8, 2014 The last one quoted. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #16 February 8, 2014 Care to share what problem you have with it?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #17 February 8, 2014 In your mind the people against it must geel that way because they fear losing political power. Is it possible they just don't want to move? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #18 February 8, 2014 DanGIn your mind the people against it must geel that way because they fear losing political power. Is it possible they just don't want to move? My assumption is the activists don't live in the neighborhood. They're part of a larger organization. http://aalfnw.org/portland/ After looking at their website I'm convinced they get their power from black people who live in shit neighborhoods. From their site...QuotePeople of color, particularly African Americans, are often isolated from access to the critical resources we all need to create healthy, thriving communities, families, and individuals. I'm certaint building a brand new TJ's in that neighborhood wouldn't contribute to a healthy, thriving community. [sarcasm]Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #19 February 8, 2014 Sorry, but I take offense at this statement: "Rents would increase and the blacks couldn't afford to live there anymore because Section 8 housing would be gone." I meant working poor members of the Black community. There may or may not be Section 8 housing within miles of that neighborhood. Low level community Leaders losing their power, would come after the fact. Was that on Leaders' minds when they raised the red flags? It probably was, but most/all of the local Leaders would be forced to move, as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 February 8, 2014 PiLFy TJ's sells mostly items the black community doesn't want, Blacks don't want beef, chicken, vegetables, dairy, beer, booze, chips, fruits, juice, frozen foods, candy? Given the frequent complaints that poor neighborhoods are food deserts, relying on liquor stores for groceries, your statement seems irrational at best, racist at worst. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #21 February 8, 2014 kelpdiver*** TJ's sells mostly items the black community doesn't want, Blacks don't want beef, chicken, vegetables, dairy, beer, booze, chips, fruits, juice, frozen foods, candy? Given the frequent complaints that poor neighborhoods are food deserts, relying on liquor stores for groceries, your statement seems irrational at best, racist at worst. Ghetto stores don't sell a whole lot of gourmet fair... Nothing Racist about that. Stop baiting. TJ's is a specialty store. Been in many Ghetto stores, have you? It's not irrational. I'm speaking from years of experience. I've been in more crappy neighborhoods (work) over the years than I care to remember. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #22 February 9, 2014 PiLFy Ghetto stores don't sell a whole lot of gourmet fair... Nothing Racist about that. Stop baiting. TJ's is a specialty store. To repeat: Blacks don't want beef, chicken, vegetables, dairy, beer, booze, chips, fruits, juice, frozen foods, candy? Even if they choose to ignore the "gourmet" items, half the store are well priced basic goods. It is irrational to prefer the shitty standard of the ghetto stores you refer to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #23 February 9, 2014 kelpdiver*** Ghetto stores don't sell a whole lot of gourmet fair... Nothing Racist about that. Stop baiting. TJ's is a specialty store. To repeat: Blacks don't want beef, chicken, vegetables, dairy, beer, booze, chips, fruits, juice, frozen foods, candy? Even if they choose to ignore the "gourmet" items, half the store are well priced basic goods. It is irrational to prefer the shitty standard of the ghetto stores you refer to. Irrational whenever Folks don't agree w/your views? TJ's doesn't belong there. That community knows it, & so do I. If you had more experience in those types of neighborhoods. We wouldn't be debating this. Feel free to keep shaking your head, saying this shouldn't have happened. It did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #24 February 9, 2014 PiLFy****** Ghetto stores don't sell a whole lot of gourmet fair... Nothing Racist about that. Stop baiting. TJ's is a specialty store. To repeat: Blacks don't want beef, chicken, vegetables, dairy, beer, booze, chips, fruits, juice, frozen foods, candy? Even if they choose to ignore the "gourmet" items, half the store are well priced basic goods. It is irrational to prefer the shitty standard of the ghetto stores you refer to. Irrational whenever Folks don't agree w/your views? TJ's doesn't belong there. That community knows it, & so do I. If you had more experience in those types of neighborhoods. We wouldn't be debating this. Feel free to keep shaking your head, saying this shouldn't have happened. It did. Perhaps you can tell us what your recipe is for a healthy, thriving community these activists seem to want. The reason I'm so interested is the ghetto neighborhoods you are so fond of cost all of us. Here's a national company willing to take a risk and open a store in the hood and it's not welcome. Your taxes prop up these places and if they aren't interested in helping themselves why should I be concerned?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #25 February 9, 2014 Doesn't sound like you're concerned for such Communities. Sounds like you think Welfare pays for all of it, & you want it to just go away... My impression of such neighborhoods is, Blacks want black businesses to thrive there. They also only want things to thrive to a certain extent. Otherwise, they'll still be priced out of the area. There's a balance. You've got plenty of neighborhoods you can choose from. Let them have theirs. You don't honestly believe the white, trendy California chain wanted to give back to the black community, do you?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
