Guns versus Marijuana

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rwieder

What I wanted to vote on wasn't a choice. I don't drink & I don't smoke...cigs or weed.

Then the law wouldn't affect you and thus the poll does not apply to you.

rwieder

And it's against my religion. (We're Lutheran) that's the biggest reason 4 business men & life long friends bought our own plane. A 78 C-182 wide body. Sure is nice! We got a great deal on it $165K. New interior, new paint & engine completely rebuilt. It flies like a dream. This way we don't have to tolerate DZ politics. God knows there's enough of that here.

What does your one-fourth of an airplane have to do with this topic?

[rehmwa 2]

normiss

Them religious folk do take shots in church.
hmmm.

Suddenly and finally, it makes sense!
Thankfully I decided years ago that I prefer the local corner bar...errr church...!

Good Bar Names...

"Yes dear, no, I spent the evening at ....":

"The Church"
"The Library"
"Soup Kitchen"
"An AA Meeting"

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[normiss 897]

I'm NOT an alcoholic god dammit.
I'm a drunk!

Alcoholics got to meetings.
Drunks go to bars.


Which means yes, of course.
What time?

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rwieder

The definition of an alcoholic is some one who has at least 1 drink per day.

Where in the world did you get that idea? It's wrong. You demanded proof:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alcoholism

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/157163.phphttp://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/157163.php

[rickjump1 0]

Good for you. I wish you well.
I drink a "real" beer and then start on Bush NA to avoid "problems".

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[rwieder 0]

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What does your one-fourth of an airplane have to do with this topic?

Reading comprenhension skills not what they used to be? It keeps me away from people that have your attitude. Before you reply with a sarcastic note, bear in mind I'm done litigating with you as well. If I wanted to argue all the time I would have went to law school. If you make it down this way, come on down, we'll take you up for free.

Best-
Richard

[kelpdiver 2]

SkyDekker

except that a beer doesn't make one intoxicated, one joint does tend to have that effect.

and what does one puff do? Or for the Clinton types that never inhaled?

BTW, the beers I drink (Racer 5, Lagunitas) - one beer does some damage, and I'm no small guy.

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Some people have a drink because they enjoy the taste. How many people smoke dope, not to get stoned, but for the refined taste of the substance?

I know I've said this at least one to my mom - it's not about alcohol with the wine, it's the flavor. But are we kidding ourselves?

The most popular wine and the dominant trend of the last 20 years have been the Big Red, as espoused by Parker. Big Alcohol, Big Oak, Big everything. And the ABVs show it - over 14, over 15, sometimes over 16. The ones at 13 - that's a knock against them, even though it's less likely to overwhelm the actual flavors.

And last year someone filed a suit against Bud claiming they lowered the alcohol level (both the claimed and the supposed lower value were in the 4s). And the best selling beers have no taste whatsoever, so clearly it's something else that's attracting: namely the alcohol and the delusion that bikini girls will surround you.

On the weed side, with medical marijuana has some hundreds of greatly different varieties with different intended uses and effects. Seems more nuanced then just getting stoned, though I'd have to leave it for an actual smoker to comment further.

[normiss 897]

Suffice to say SOME weed, taking one hit WILL jack your shit up.
Medicinal (from what I've seen) is in this classification.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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and what does one puff do? Or for the Clinton types that never inhaled?

BTW, the beers I drink (Racer 5, Lagunitas) - one beer does some damage, and I'm no small guy.

lol, you will just automatically argue anything I say. It is kind of cute really.

I guess it depends on the size of the puff and the level of THC in the product.

Here, I'll give you another one to try and argue with me:

I think there are significantly less people who smoke dope for the taste and don't want to get high, than there are people who drink for the taste and don't want to get drunk.

[normiss 897]

I like that comment!

[Andy9o8 2]

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the delusion that bikini girls will surround you.

That's a delusion?



After all these years, I finally understand.

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normiss

I'm really crushed to know I'm an alcoholic.

As long as you spend one entire day each week a hungover disaster where you don't leave the immediate vicinity of a toilet and curse at any one or thing that exceeds 40 dB SPL then you're not an alcoholic because you won't have had a drink that day.

[kelpdiver 2]

SkyDekker

lol, you will just automatically argue anything I say. It is kind of cute really.

Stop spouting nonsense, then. I ignore most of it as it stands.

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Here, I'll give you another one to try and argue with me:

I think there are significantly less people who smoke dope for the taste and don't want to get high, than there are people who drink for the taste and don't want to get drunk.

At least you got away from absolutes, which never stand up to the simplest of scrutiny. But I still hold that most of the people who claim to drink for taste are lying to themselves.

-coming from someone with two separate 6' wine fridges.

[rehmwa 2]

kelpdiver

But I still hold that most of the people who claim to drink for taste are lying to themselves.

I don't think you can speak for other people - we're all different. For me you are likely on message though FWIW:

I like the taste of the FIRST beer on a hot day.
For any taken after that one, I agree with you.

Wine - Almost always would rather have the taste of a soda. I agree with you there.. (for me)

Hard Liquor - pretty much tastes ok, but the intent is to get the affect without all the carbs and the full feeling. Easier to sip on a single shot for a couple hours than to drinks mixed drinks or beer and get that overfull feeling. I'm with you here too.

other people may have totally other reasons - I know a lot that really like to taste wines. And they hate the effects. They like the tastings, where it's ok to spit it out.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[RonD1120 62]

SkyDekker

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It is the statement of an alcoholic in denial.

Yes it is.

However, not everybody who drinks is an alcoholic.

Here is a tool that I used during assessment.

http://counsellingresource.com/lib/quizzes/drug-testing/alcohol-cage/

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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rwieder

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What does your one-fourth of an airplane have to do with this topic?

Reading comprenhension skills not what they used to be? It keeps me away from people that have your attitude. Before you reply with a sarcastic note, bear in mind I'm done litigating with you as well. If I wanted to argue all the time I would have went to law school. If you make it down this way, come on down, we'll take you up for free.

Best-
Richard

You didn't answer the question. An airplane is neither a gun, nor marijuana. Gosh only knows what made you want to throw that into this conversation. Maybe you should start another thread on fractional aircraft ownership.

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normiss

I'm NOT an alcoholic god dammit.
I'm a drunk!

Alcoholics got to meetings.
Drunks go to bars.


Which means yes, of course.
What time?

My brother in law is a divorce attorney and he loved getting drunk...until he had a visit with his doctor and his drinking was leading to medical problems...and just like that. Poof.

I saw him drinking an Odouls...and I asked my sister...what the FUCK is wrong with rodney? And she wispered in my ear about some heart murmers and how he can't drink anymore. And don't get me wrong...rodney could drink with the best of them...and then put on a thong and a cowboy hat and party all nite long after that. But just as a soon as I thought I could peg him as being an alcoholic. He quits at the drop of a hat and hasn't drank a single alcoholic beverage since then. So let me repeat what I said before...not everyone is the same. Some can quit and some can't and some can quit and some straight up don't want to. Not all people and their dependancies are equal.

For rodney's sake...he told me in private he prefers to fly his airplane and the freedom of flight more than the feeling of inebriation.

[normiss 897]

You get involved after the point they have been forced to realize their addiction though, correct?

I think that could be different than those that drink within reason, no?
Possibly even a functional alcoholic hasn't reached his "come to jesus" moment has he?

[PiLFy 3]

kelpdiver

***You left out a fourth choice: Move out of Illinois to any one of the states where both are your right to have legally.

Where would that be?

The Feds still don't acknowledge the rights of people in WA or CO to do it, nor any of the states for medical use. From their perspective, there is no lawful use of marijuana per:

Form 4473 11e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to,
marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?

State concealed carry permits are allowed w/medical marijuana cards. Federal jobs won't recognize the cards, but the state carry permits are still legal. I'd tell you where, but I don't want you there... Marijuana is far safer than alcohol. That's a fact. Get over it. Going green doesn't cost people their rights. Get over that, too.

[kelpdiver 2]

PiLFy

I'd tell you where, but I don't want you there... Marijuana is far safer than alcohol. That's a fact. Get over it. Going green doesn't cost people their rights. Get over that, too.

you seem to mistake my statement of Fed reality to support of it, though it should have been obvious from my phrasing "rights of people."

I do not smoke, not for moral reasons, but because it's not very compatible with diving or running.

[kelpdiver 2]

rehmwa

other people may have totally other reasons - I know a lot that really like to taste wines. And they hate the effects. They like the tastings, where it's ok to spit it out.

It has to be bad wine for me to spit it out. Such waste is sacrilege to me.

The primary reason for spitting is to maintain ability to taste. If you're doing a lot of different tastings in an afternoon, you need to spit or the second/third dozen will start to taste like "wine." Aside from that reason, I think it would be atypical to find spitters. I've never seen someone spit/drink their way through a glass of wine.

[Shotgun 1]

Boogers

Hey, notice how the poll choices rhyme...

I like the poem. The law sounds lame. Are they required to give up their vehicles too, since they "might" operate one while impaired? And are the people who use other legal drugs, like pharmaceuticals and alcohol, subjected to this same law?

[PiLFy 3]

kelpdiver

*** I'd tell you where, but I don't want you there... Marijuana is far safer than alcohol. That's a fact. Get over it. Going green doesn't cost people their rights. Get over that, too.

you seem to mistake my statement of Fed reality to support of it, though it should have been obvious from my phrasing "rights of people."

I do not smoke, not for moral reasons, but because it's not very compatible with diving or running.

OK. Here's one: [Url]http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/01/chris-dumm/medical-marijuana-ccw-update-scotus-declines-cert/[/url] There are others.

[Url]http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/05/robert-farago/atf-to-pot-smokers-no-guns-for-you-dude/[/url]

[RonD1120 62]

normiss

You get involved after the point they have been forced to realize their addiction though, correct?

I think that could be different than those that drink within reason, no?
Possibly even a functional alcoholic hasn't reached his "come to jesus" moment has he?

More correct to say, I got involved after the point where either the court or the family made the substance abuser realize the consequences of their using substances, including alcohol.

The surrender to acceptance of addiction usually does not take place until after the individual has been in treatment for a few weeks. All of the facilities where I worked were structured to working on and accepting Step One of the Twelve Step Program. That is, "I admit I am powerless over _______ and my life has become unmanageable."

The exception is court ordered outpatient treatment for misdemeanor offences such as marijuana possession or first conviction of other substances. Those programs are designed to help the client understand how they make choices. I never worked at a DUI school but they are similar as far as I know.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Shotgun

I like the poem. The law sounds lame. Are they required to give up their vehicles too, since they "might" operate one while impaired? And are the people who use other legal drugs, like pharmaceuticals and alcohol, subjected to this same law?

All good questions. Seems discriminatory to single out pot smokers. Either persecute everyone the same, or treat everyone as innocent until proven guilty. What a concept!