normiss 897 #76 February 4, 2014 It's almost funny you still believe that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #77 February 4, 2014 normissIt's almost funny you still believe that. Ok You get to take another quick shot at me Fine What do you think of the 54 Senators that voted not to ratify this thing?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #78 February 4, 2014 QuoteWhat do you think of the 54 Senators that voted not to ratify this thing? Already explained. The gun lobby is quite powerful. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #79 February 4, 2014 DanGQuoteWhat do you think of the 54 Senators that voted not to ratify this thing? Already explained. The gun lobby is quite powerful. Yes it is So is the anti gunners But What makes the gun rights lobby so powerful is The truth"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #80 February 4, 2014 "are" Not truth, money. The truth appears to be quite elusive to those that are unable to comprehend what words mean. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #81 February 4, 2014 normiss"are" Not truth, money. The truth appears to be quite elusive to those that are unable to comprehend what words mean. With that I would agree At least 54 Senators know what truth is at least this time"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #82 February 4, 2014 normiss"are" Not truth, money. The truth appears to be quite elusive to those that are unable to comprehend what words mean. Actually not money. Numbers. As in number of members. And those members are willing to make phone calls, write letters and take action. That action is directed at politicians and also at other places, like private businesses. Those that support gun rights get ."Positive Feedback." Those that don't, don't. Last year, during the clamor for more restrictions, a few congresscreatures were quoted as saying "The polls say 90% support this, then why is all my mail coming from the other 10%?" The money is important, to be sure, but it is the willingness of the people to actively participate in the fight for gun rights that makes the NRA so powerful."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #83 February 4, 2014 The money is CRITICAL. NRA's ILA would be dead without it. The ILA is the sole reason I refuse to have an NRA membership again. Worse than Good Sam Club x10000. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #84 February 4, 2014 QuoteSo is the anti gunners Yeah, right. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FastRon 0 #85 February 4, 2014 "Having an opinion and being factually wrong are not the same thing. If you can't handle having your mistakes being pointed out then forums are not for you." Ss which fact is wrong- the U.N.'s own mention or my assertiont hat the U.N. is arguably ysfunctional? Do you work for them or something? Off topic- I see that you may be from the U.K. Is it true that self defense is illegal there? How is that working out these days? Has the U.N taken a position? Too, thanks so much for pointing out what is not for me- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #86 February 4, 2014 rushmcWell, regardless of how you view this treaty, 53 Senators saw it for what it was and voted for the US NOT to enter into a treaty that takes a step toward removing second amendmend rights of US citizens And it took a bipartisn group to do the right thing It's not how I view it, it's what it is, and 53 Senators took the easy route of pandering to rabble-rousing morons than vote for it and have to explain why people like you are lying. The Resolution has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your second amendment rights and the fact that you're avoiding any discussion of what the resolution actually says shows that you know it too.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #87 February 4, 2014 QuoteSs which fact is wrong but what the U.N.'s position appears to be is that signators of the treaty would be required/forced, (or?) to maintain a permanent registry, and share it- they do mention "tracing" and other aspects of the gun control dialogue. That. There is nothing of the sort within the Resolution. If you think there is, quote it like I asked you to. If you can't quote it, why are you arguing? Quote Is it true that self defense is illegal there? No. That would be stupid.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #88 February 4, 2014 jakee***Well, regardless of how you view this treaty, 53 Senators saw it for what it was and voted for the US NOT to enter into a treaty that takes a step toward removing second amendmend rights of US citizens And it took a bipartisn group to do the right thing It's not how I view it, it's what it is, and 53 Senators took the easy route of pandering to rabble-rousing morons than vote for it and have to explain why people like you are lying. The Resolution has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your second amendment rights and the fact that you're avoiding any discussion of what the resolution actually says shows that you know it too. Ahhhh People like me Exactly what are people like me??? Someone who is not supposed to have an opinion contrary to yours? ....never mind anyway On both your points we will have to agree to disagree"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #89 February 4, 2014 normissThe money is CRITICAL. NRA's ILA would be dead without it. The ILA is the sole reason I refuse to have an NRA membership again. Worse than Good Sam Club x10000. How much money do you think the ILA has? The entire gun industry is small potatoes. The votes are the power here. This was very firmly demonstrated in 2000, and in many circumstances since. Whether or not you think the 'truth' is out there, the voters have clearly told legislators to get their fucking hands off the guns. As for the votes on this particular item - figure most of the GOP wants nothing to do with the UN and a few Democrats are at least suspicious and are representing the gun interests of their voters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #90 February 4, 2014 QuoteExactly what are people like me??? Politically motivated fear-mongering rabble-rousers who are lying about this resolution. QuoteOn both your points we will have to agree to disagree No, we'll have to agree that I'm right and you're lying. You know it's true.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #92 February 4, 2014 jakee Quote Exactly what are people like me??? Politically motivated fear-mongering rabble-rousers who are lying about this resolution. Quote On both your points we will have to agree to disagree No, we'll have to agree that I'm right and you're lying. You know it's true. No, actually I dont know that true but that is what you believe Again 53 Senators agreed with me for one reason or another The only way today, to achive the UN goal of tracking weapons is a registry That is what they are after, that and what a registry leads to The small arms language is imbedded in 2117 for a reason and is part and parcel of the 21 points sought by the UN This and the UN is one of the most corupt world bodies ever to assemble I will the us would pull all funding and tell them to get the hell of our property maybe someday Oh, and thanks for going after me again"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #93 February 4, 2014 QuoteAgain 53 Senators agreed with me for one reason or another Time and again I've tried to engage you on what the Resolution actually says, and time and again you've refused to answer. If all you've got left to support you is the vote count then, as a small-government congress-is-incompetent conservative, you should realise that your argument is royally fucked. QuoteThe only way today, to achive the UN goal of tracking weapons is a registry That is what they are after, that and what a registry leads to A registry of what? How would Resolution 2117 lead to that registry? What does Resolution 2117 say about a registry? QuoteThe small arms language is imbedded in 2117 for a reason Welcoming the Secretary-General’s report to the Council of 22 August 2013 entitled “Small Arms” Yes, that damning language is there for a reason. It's called protocol. But again, if you could explain how that one small sentence translates into your mind as "OMFG the UN iz take are Gunns!!1!" I'd sure appreciate it.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #94 February 4, 2014 To gain the info the un wants (which is to track the origians of guns) requires signatories to provide them (the un) with SN of small arms. The request includes those privately owned weapons Registration is what is being avoided Not needed and none of their damned business the "Small Arms" document is part of 2117 You dont agree But then, you dont think anyone to be as informed as yourself Now, whether the UN could use the registry to take arms is irrelavant as it is none of thier business A bi-partisan group of senators voted not to ratify Good for them"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #95 February 4, 2014 Wow. Tin foil is a wee bit tight today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #96 February 4, 2014 normissWow. Tin foil is a wee bit tight today. Not at all there are 21 "recomendations" in 2117"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #97 February 4, 2014 I asked you this question earlier I do not remember an reply to it IF 2117 is so innocuous, what is its purpose to begin with? What would it (or what is it supposed to) accomplish? What is the end game or goal? And from another angle, If it is as meaningless as you stated earlier, why do care if the US or any country sign on. What would be the point then?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #98 February 4, 2014 You're either misunderstanding or intentionally misrepresenting the document. But I gotta hand it to you, Marc, you've kept these guys on the hook for almost 100 posts now, by doing nothing more than being repetitive. At this point the shame's on them for continuing to reply. Kudos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #99 February 4, 2014 Andy9o8You're either misunderstanding or intentionally misrepresenting the document. But I gotta hand it to you, Marc, you've kept these guys on the hook for almost 100 posts now, by doing nothing more than being repetitive. At this point the shame's on them for continuing to reply. Kudos. Andy In the light of this post, can you reply to the questions I asked just prior to yours? And what am I misunderstanding?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #100 February 4, 2014 Have you actually read them, or only heard an analysis? Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
