46 Senators Voted against the rights of US Citizens

[kallend 2,150]

rushmc

***************No, they really didn't.

Did you stop to wonder why the guy that wrote that email only quoted half a sentence from one paragraph of an entire resolution?

I have known about this whole thing for many weeks
and yes they did

Why did you chose to post a misleading incomplete portion of the text?

To get gun banners (like you) panties in a wad

See

It works



So you admit that you tried to mislead us just to irritate people.

Your attempt, however, was so lame it was instantly debunked.

Nope
my reply to you only shows I no longer take you seriously

You can lie to yourself if you wish
But not to me

Irony score 100%. Your OP was a deliberate attempt to mislead, as has been pointed out already by several people.

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[DanG 1]

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I have

I don't believe you.

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And I also know what the UN is

You knw what your media sources tell you about the UN.

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Obviously you dont and you dont care

Actually, I don't really care. Anyone with any knowledge of how the world works doesn't really care about UN resolutions like this.

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Nor does who voted for or against it give you any insight

It gives me great insight into the power of the gun lobby, and the lck of individual freedom among Republican politicians.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

jakee

***Your turn to answer my questions

Done, now how does calling for a crackdown on forms of international arms trading that are already illegal affect the rights of US citizens?

Here is the websight of the office in the UN where this shit treaty comes from

http://www.un.org/disarmament/


Notice the little blurb to the lower right in the header


"...... strengthening peace and security through disarmament."

Hmmmmmm

In any event

at least 53 senators did not buy the lie you and John (the gun banner) Kallend and Dan bought into

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

You fail yet again John

per normal

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

This entire thread is based on an outright lie and the moderators should lock it.

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[rushmc 23]

DanG

Actually, I don't really care. Anyone with any knowledge of how the world works doesn't really care about UN resolutions like this.

So there really is no reason we should have signed on to it to begin with

Cool
At least we agree on something

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

what this treaty really is

http://www.libertygunrights.com/2TreatySet10Pgs.pdf

for the link

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The purpose of writing this article is to set the record straight so that people will
understand the difference between the proper use of the treaty power, and the improper use
of the treaty power, rather than have the people be misled by public officials who intend to
deceive Americans by its improper use. Improper treaties are not law!
Despite the current great worry about the Small Arms Treaty being able to prohibit
American citizens from owning firearms, there exist two, even greater worries:
(1) The ignorant status of many people in not realizing what tragedy will to occur to their
freedom and liberty if we allow a National Gun Registry to be created. The Small Arms
Treaty initiates such a registry. It also unlocks the door for the communist-led United
Nations to enter into our Bill of Rights, and tamper with all other basic natural rights.
(2) The people’s lack of knowledge that no part of the Bill of Rights itself is subject to the
repeal, revocation or rescinding process. Natural rights are not subject to these processes,
because they are God-given rights and thus unalienable. The Second Article in the Bill of
Rights was meant to give the people an option against tyranny from within and invasion
from without. It was meant to prevent the enactment of disastrous and ruinous laws and
treaties.
Specifically, a treaty cannot override the Second Amendment nor any of the other
principles encased within the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution. The
following excerpt from Article VI of the United States Constitution, is very clear in stating:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in
Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the
Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the
Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or
Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. [Emphasis added]
Read that sentence carefully! Many people do not understand that any law being made
must not conflict with the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution. Under THIS
Constitution, our laws and treaties are acceptable only if they conform to the intent and
purpose of what has been written in this master document. No law is acceptable if it
conflicts with or alters the original text. THIS Constitution, and not the opposing United
Nations Charter, is the supreme law of this country. In these times, however, evil laws and
treaties have been written and designed to work against those previously established laws,
which were supposed to prevent tyranny from happening.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

rushmc

what this treaty really is

http://www.libertygunrights.com/2TreatySet10Pgs.pdf

for the link

I refer you to post #16 of this thread.

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[rushmc 23]

I am sure you are pissed this got voted down

Another path to banning guns lost.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

"libertygunright.org" is probably the best site to get unbiased information of the UN resolution.

Since you claim to have read it, which part of the resolution initiates the national gun registry?

- Dan G

[jakee 1,596]

rushmc

******Your turn to answer my questions

Done, now how does calling for a crackdown on forms of international arms trading that are already illegal affect the rights of US citizens?

Here is the websight of the office in the UN where this shit treaty comes from

http://www.un.org/disarmament/

And here is the section of that website dedicated to small arms. Note the opening paragraph.

"Insurgents, armed gang members, pirates, terrorists - they can all multiply their force through the use of unlawfully acquired firepower. The illicit circulation of small arms, light weapons and their ammunition destabilizes communities, and impacts security and development in all regions of the world."

Which really ties in perfectly with the resolution in question, which is aimed at the [already illegal sections of the international arms trade which supplies drug cartels, regional warlords and Islamic terrorists (at least we know who your friends are).

You've bought into the lie that the UN wants to destroy your country and the security council wants to take your guns, but you've got nothing on paper that supports it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,596]

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The ignorant status of many people in not realizing what tragedy will to occur to their
freedom and liberty if we allow a National Gun Registry to be created. The Small Arms
Treaty initiates such a registry.

Does it?

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It also unlocks the door for the communist-led United
Nations to enter into our Bill of Rights, and tamper with all other basic natural rights.

How?

You know Mark, you've quoted a lot of things about the resolution, and you've talked a lot about what you think the UN is trying to do with the resolution, but you haven't yet quoted a single piece of the resolution itself that you disagree with, or think violates your rights.

How about you give that a try?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

DanG

"libertygunright.org" is probably the best site to get unbiased information of the UN resolution.

Since you claim to have read it, which part of the resolution initiates the national gun registry?

Here is 2117

http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/RES/2117(2013)

buried in 2117 is this (as are many other provisions totalling over 15,000 pages)

http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/RES/2117(2013)

And in that one is the following

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Recommendation 12
In the context of discussions on disarmament, demobilization and
reintegration and security sector reform programmes, peace support
operations or the imposition or lifting of an arms embargo, the
Security Council may wish to call on relevant States to conduct an
inventory of their weapons and then submit information on their
national holdings for inclusion in the Register of Conventional Arms.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Recommendation 12
In the context of discussions on disarmament, demobilization and
reintegration and security sector reform programmes, peace support
operations or the imposition or lifting of an arms embargo, the
Security Council may wish to call on relevant States to conduct an
inventory of their weapons and then submit information on their
national holdings for inclusion in the Register of Conventional Arms.

Not sure where you got that. Both of your links are to resolution 2117, so it's hard to read in it context. Of course, the plain text says it is in relation, again, to disarming after an armed conflict.

Just curious, where did you get this 15,000 page number? I'm guessing libertygunrights.org, or are you going to claim you read and counted all those pages?

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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Recommendation 12
In the context of discussions on disarmament, demobilization and
reintegration and security sector reform programmes, peace support
operations or the imposition or lifting of an arms embargo, the
Security Council may wish to call on relevant States to conduct an
inventory of their weapons and then submit information on their
national holdings for inclusion in the Register of Conventional Arms.

Not sure where you got that. Both of your links are to resolution 2117, so it's hard to read in it context. Of course, the plain text says it is in relation, again, to disarming after an armed conflict.

Just curious, where did you get this 15,000 page number? I'm guessing libertygunrights.org, or are you going to claim you read and counted all those pages?

2117 refers to many past resolutions
Those are linked when reading 2117
The quote is from a resolution previous to 2117 that 2117 references
Start reading

I remember it from before so I had an idea what to look for
And no, I will not claim to have read all 15000 related pages

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,596]

You're wrong on several counts. First that paragraph is not part of the Security Council resolution, it's from a report from the Secretary-General to the Security Council.

Second, it does not refer to any form of National Gun registry or inventory of privately held weapons, it refers to imports, exports and stockpiling of weapons by the state.

Third, the USA already reports to Register of Conventional Arms.

So let's try again, is there anything that you disgree with that's in the resolution and relevant to the subject?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

jakee

You're wrong on several counts. First that paragraph is not part of the Security Council resolution, it's from a report from the Secretary-General to the Security Council.

Second, it does not refer to any form of National Gun registry or inventory of privately held weapons, it refers to imports, exports and stockpiling of weapons by the state.

Third, the USA already reports to Register of Conventional Arms.

So let's try again, is there anything that you disgree with that's in the resolution and relevant to the subject?

Read it again
You are wrong

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,596]

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Both of your links are to resolution 2117, so it's hard to read in it context.

He got it from here. It is from the UN but it's not part of Resolution 2117, it's not part of any UN Resolution and it's not talking about what he says it's talking about.

Pretty predictable, really.

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Just curious, where did you get this 15,000 page number?

Yeah. I only counted 6.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,596]

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2117 refers to many past resolutions
Those are linked when reading 2117
The quote is from a resolution previous to 2117 that 2117 references

No it isn't.
It is not from a previous resolution, and Resolution 2117 does not reference it except to say that they welcomed the report. It makes no reference to recommendation 12 from the Secretary-General's report. If you think it does, please give me page, paragraph and line. I shouldn't be difficult, 2117 is only 6 pages long.

Regarding recommendation 12, even if it said what you think it does, which it doesn't, the USA would still never be subject to any Security Council request for information it doesn't want to supply since the USA has a fucking VETO on everything the Security Council does.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,596]

rushmc

***You're wrong on several counts. First that paragraph is not part of the Security Council resolution, it's from a report from the Secretary-General to the Security Council.

Second, it does not refer to any form of National Gun registry or inventory of privately held weapons, it refers to imports, exports and stockpiling of weapons by the state.

Third, the USA already reports to Register of Conventional Arms.

So let's try again, is there anything that you disgree with that's in the resolution and relevant to the subject?

Read it again
You are wrong

Wrong about which bit?

First, this IS the document that recommendation 12 comes from. It is not part of 2117, nor is it part of any resolution. You're wrong.

Second, it doesn't refer to privately held weapons. The Register reports on State level arms imports, exports, military holdings and procurement through domestic producers and international transfers of small arms. Voluntary, and nothing whatsoever to do with your guns. You're wrong

Third, the US does report to it. Participation list, Member States, 2012, country number 53, USA, reported on 4 categories, suck it, bitch, you're wrong.

So what was I wrong about? Feel free to elaborate and give an actual reason. I'd hate for people to think you were just burying your head in the sand to cover your cluelessness.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[DanG 1]

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The quote is from a resolution previous to 2117 that 2117 references

Which one, please?

- Dan G

[kallend 2,150]

You have already admitted that you tried to mislead us just to irritate people. That is generally called TROLLING and violates forum rules.

This entire thread is based on an outright lie and should be locked.

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[rushmc 23]

DanG

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The quote is from a resolution previous to 2117 that 2117 references

Which one, please?

I see now that when I went to the links the address does not change so
The quote is from S/2013/503
Top of page 4 of 6

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

kallend

You have already admitted that you tried to mislead us just to irritate people. That is generally called TROLLING and violates forum rules.

This entire thread is based on an outright lie and should be locked.

I have admitted to nothing
But you claiming as such is no surprise

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,596]

rushmc

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The quote is from a resolution previous to 2117 that 2117 references

Which one, please?

I see now that when I went to the links the address does not change so
The quote is from S/2013/503
Top of page 4 of 6

And is that part of resolution 2117? Is it a Security Council resolution? Is it a UN resolution of any kind? No, it fucking isn't, as I've pointed out to you several times now, Mr Ostrich.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?