PiLFy 3 #76 January 19, 2014 kallend*** Last count I heard, was 175 vaccinations given to kids. . Citation please. That number sounds totally BOGUS to me. This was already answered, several posts back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #77 January 19, 2014 The appallingly poor judgment of people on the anti-vaccination side of this debate is shocking. My kids are grown now. I don't have grandchildren yet, but once I do, please please keep your un-vaccinated kids them the hell away from them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #78 January 20, 2014 It's the internets, there has to be an argument. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #79 January 20, 2014 quade***You and your wife should discuss this issue with your family, your pastor and competent professionals. Huh? Since when is a pastor's opinion on this important? The object is to seek wise counsel. I always recommend three sources if they are available.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingRhenquest 1 #80 January 20, 2014 RonD1120******You and your wife should discuss this issue with your family, your pastor and competent professionals. Huh? Since when is a pastor's opinion on this important? The object is to seek wise counsel. I always recommend three sources if they are available. He might actually have some useful input on the subject. Leviticus 15 and all that. Ya'all gonna be bringing him a lot of turtledoves.I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #81 January 20, 2014 RonD1120******You and your wife should discuss this issue with your family, your pastor and competent professionals. Huh? Since when is a pastor's opinion on this important? The object is to seek wise counsel. Then let me restate the question. How the fuck does anybody believe a pastor's opinion on this is important? What special wisdom is imparted in seminary school regarding vaccinations?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #82 January 20, 2014 best i remember is that i have never had a shot before the age of 10. i know this is not true, there is even a schedule of immunizations i looked at once to prove it. and just who do you think you are telling me i am wrong? big industry has never lied, paid for false results in tests, or done anything not in the best interest of people in need. my ass. it happens all the time, just like i said it does, and no, i don't need citations for that. i can look around and see many people without safe drinking water to know what happens when industry is left in charge of any type of oversight. when i said to not listen to most studies, perhaps i should have said to examine the study closely to see who did it and how it was conducted. there are some that are good, based on sound science. some of them are inconclusive, most say the vaccines are safe. my opinion, based on reading a lot and filtering most of it away, is we need to re-think the vaccination schedule. hep b at what age? yes, i suppose you could have a youngster exposed, but the odds would be extremely long. and anyone who has done any research on the hpv vaccine, i mean recent research (i guess i need to spell things out slowly for some on here) would also doubt the effectiveness. hell, the last i heard, even the developer of that one was talking about how it was blown out of proportion to make money. i am not advocating not vaccinating, just going back to a more reasonable schedule. and yes, there was mercury in vaccines, it is called thimersol for those too lazy to look it up. now this part needs to be researched (i don't care enough to look right now) it was only trace amounts, but it is flipping mercury! sounds like you could have been one of those calling our water safe just because 1 ppm of 4mcmh (or whatever it is)doesn't show adverse effects in humans. and yes, i am a little upset over this (the water thing, not the vaccine thing-that don't concern me anymore) mainly because this is how shit starts. let common sense be pushed aside once, it takes that much more to get it back._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #83 January 20, 2014 If one considers living one's life according to a particular set of religious standards, then a pastor's advice as to whether those standards can be met with vaccines is important. E.g., if a vaccine were to use pigs, it might be unacceptable to orthodox Jews (unless essential to life). And they would try to find a good alternative. E.g. if one were a Jehovah's Witness, one would talk to one's pastor about life-saving surgery that required blood, and whether it was worth one's life. That is up to the patient; whether I think it's the best approach is irrelevant. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #84 January 20, 2014 But those are purely "spiritual" concerns. They have zero to do with whether or not the science is valid. The question in this thread has to do with whether vaccinations do or do not have a side effect of causing autism. It is completely irresponsible of a parent to ask their "pastor" about that.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zach 0 #85 January 20, 2014 KennedyYou've made up your mind to ignore science, math, and statistics in favor of... whatever you base your decisions on. You do not appear to be asking for information; it looks like you asked a question just so you can attack answers you don't agree with and proselytize your own views. Quick question: can you imagine ANYTHING that ANYONE can say that might make you change your mind? (as it is clear you have already decided) Haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but...+1. What you're doing (starting a debate) is all good, and kind of the point of SC, but don't couch it as a search for information when you really just need your debate itch scratched. There are plenty of people who will argue with you here if you just ask. Zach Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #86 January 20, 2014 cryptocoinSo having children soon and have had conflicting stories. Autism figures have changed from 1 in 10000 people in 1980 to more than 1 in 50 people now days... Vaccines are made with crude methods using animal genes such as birds eggs and monkeys kidneys and contain metals such as mercury and aluminium... Please give your educated opinion, does anyone have experience with adverse side effects, false/poor advice from medical practitioners? It is a tough subject, this video has me swayed against vaccinations. It seem the science behind them is seriously flawed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1m3TjokVU4 Well yeah. The government says it is what you should do, and its part of Obamacare, so why wouldn't you?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #87 January 20, 2014 Seriously, Clint, not every thread subject is an opportunity to invoke "Obama". You really dislike him; we get it. But look at the rest of the thread. Nobody's going to pay attention. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #88 January 20, 2014 Andy9o8Seriously, Clint, not every thread subject is an opportunity to invoke "Obama". You really dislike him; we get it. But look at the rest of the thread. Nobody's going to pay attention. Is Obama "Obamacare" it seems he is pretty far removed from it, or at least wants to be. I should have said ACA . . . would that make you feel better about your messiah?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #89 January 20, 2014 turtlespeed***Seriously, Clint, not every thread subject is an opportunity to invoke "Obama". You really dislike him; we get it. But look at the rest of the thread. Nobody's going to pay attention. Is Obama "Obamacare" it seems he is pretty far removed from it, or at least wants to be. I should have said ACA . . . would that make you feel better about your messiah? No. The thread has nothing to do with ACA except in your zeal to play Six Degrees of Separation so you can rationalize getting a bash in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #90 January 20, 2014 When you're a hammer, then everything looks like a nail. I'm not saying that's Turtle, but some people do kind of sit at a piano and just play one note.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #91 January 20, 2014 quadeWhen a person is as dumb as a box of hammers, then everything looks like a nail. I'm not saying that's Turtle, but some people do kind of sit at a piano and just play one note. And THIS again? What does what you and Andy have said in the last couple of posts have to do with the subject of the poll . . . or are you just trolling again? My answer directly referenced one of the options in the poll. Y'all can belly ache all you want. I answered the question as I saw fit. The OP wanted to know why. I offered a very real option. Tell me honestly, if you can, if people that are told by the gov't to do something, often do those things they are told, or not. Your (both of yours) pedestals are really not as high as you would like them to be, but hey, y'all can strive for all you want.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #92 January 20, 2014 turtlespeed***Seriously, Clint, not every thread subject is an opportunity to invoke "Obama". You really dislike him; we get it. But look at the rest of the thread. Nobody's going to pay attention. Is Obama "Obamacare" it seems he is pretty far removed from it, or at least wants to be. I should have said ACA . . . would that make you feel better about your messiah? The state of Texas (lead by our pal Ricky from the last Presidential election) mandated the hpv vaccine well in advance of any actions by Obama or the ACA. Obama was still a longshot for President when Perry gave the order in 2007. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #93 January 20, 2014 kelpdiver******Seriously, Clint, not every thread subject is an opportunity to invoke "Obama". You really dislike him; we get it. But look at the rest of the thread. Nobody's going to pay attention. Is Obama "Obamacare" it seems he is pretty far removed from it, or at least wants to be. I should have said ACA . . . would that make you feel better about your messiah? The state of Texas (lead by our pal Ricky from the last Presidential election) mandated the hpv vaccine well in advance of any actions by Obama or the ACA. Obama was still a longshot for President when Perry gave the order in 2007. Yep. And I was against it being MANDATED, but not against it being available.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #94 January 20, 2014 QuoteI was against it [HPV vaccination] being MANDATED, That's a pity. Keeping it optional allows parents to decline the vaccination for their children on the rationalization that such vaccinations either are unnecessary because their kids would never be sexually active before marriage, and/or that administering the vaccination might promote premarital promiscuity. The end result would be an increase in cancer in women and genital warts in men. Making it mandatory drastically reduces the opportunity for this sad dynamic. Sometimes, as in the example of public health, it really is proper for government to step in and protect juveniles from the ignorance of their parents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #95 January 20, 2014 PiLFy***Your post had an open {b} at the end, causing his post to be bolded. Either you, or the DZ.com software, inserted a lone {/b} at the beginning of your post ridiculing his bolding. Either way, yes, your unclosed {b} caused his post to be bolded. He could have previewed and noticed, but didn't. Either way, too, how in the heck does it matter? Wendy P. He blamed me for something I didn't do. Beats me, Wendy. Petty excuses for starting a row. In SC? Who'd a thunk... You absolutely did it, just as she described. When you opted to reply to three parts of his post, you replied using bold. (rather that the proper use of reply or quote blocks. In your 3rd stanza, you started it with the B, but neglected to close it with a /B at the end. Since there was no more text in your post, it didn't really matter, but when he quoted you, that B was honored to the end. Only if he had done a preview post instead of post would he have seen it. Just as Wendy tried to explain to you. In short, if you really give a shit about the bolding, go flog yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #96 January 20, 2014 turtlespeed Yep. And I was against it being MANDATED, but not against it being available. So tell us again, how is Obama responsible for HPV vaccinations being pushed on children, when it predates him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #97 January 20, 2014 turtlespeedTell me honestly, if you can, if people that are told by the gov't to do something, often do those things they are told, or not. Not that this is "the government" telling people what to do. This is proven medical advise. When children lived with the daily threat of polio, you can bet your sweet ass they lined up to get vaccinated against it. The adults in the room recognized the very real, absolutely devastating results of not being vaccinated. As a result of those vaccinations, polio as well as a number of other debilitating and deadly diseases have pretty much been wiped out of the US. In my opinion, for a parent to not get their children vaccinated is pretty much child abuse.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #98 January 20, 2014 Andy9o8QuoteI was against it [HPV vaccination] being MANDATED, That's a pity. Keeping it optional allows parents to decline the vaccination for their children on the rationalization that such vaccinations either are unnecessary because their kids would never be sexually active before marriage, and/or that administering the vaccination might promote premarital promiscuity. The end result would be an increase in cancer in women and genital warts in men. Making it mandatory drastically reduces the opportunity for this sad dynamic. Sometimes, as in the example of public health, it really is proper for government to step in and protect juveniles from the ignorance of their parents. So all the other vaccines mandated are just as good and necessary, right? The fact is, the government is too involved in personal decisions. I'm for having the vaccine available, but not forced.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #99 January 20, 2014 sfzombie13the op isn't ignoring science, he is questioning the drug culture pervasive in the us. and rightly so, how many children are at risk of hep a or b at that age? i would venture that the math and statistics are in his favor there at least. It's one you might decide can be delayed till later in childhood. But 12M Americans are infected with Hep B, most without knowing it. 2 billion world wide, 400M being chronically infected. While sex is the most thought of manner of transmission, exposure to blood or body fluids will do it. Any skydiver or outdoor athlete should obtain the protection, as you may have to assist an injured person, or be that person yourself. The CDC is promoting the early vaccinations, I believe, to put Hep B down for good. It's been done universally for quite some time now - in another 20 years the rate of new infections will be minimal. Hep A - not sure how much it matters for people staying in the US. You occasionally hear of outbreaks at a restaurant. But if you're traveling to the developing nation, you're getting it anyway. Quote and the flu vaccine is arguably one of the worst ideas to come along in a while. i say arguably because again, the drug companies are making boatloads of money from it, and they are the ones funding studies and pushing it in the doctors' literature. The efficacy here can be measured in death rates for those who gets the shots and those who do not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #100 January 20, 2014 kelpdiver*** Yep. And I was against it being MANDATED, but not against it being available. So tell us again, how is Obama responsible for HPV vaccinations being pushed on children, when it predates him? According to what I read, the HPV4 is only recommended by the CDC. At least 25 states require it. ACA requires it for wellness. This over rides the states that do not require it. ETA: Reading further, it seems that it is just recommended through ACA as well.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
