NC ultrasound law thrown out by judge

[billvon 3,114]

>most of these are being stopped by the courts

?? No, they are currently in force in many states.

>It is about the unborns right to live

From your previous post you are OK with allowing women to kill the unborn. Are you changing your mind?

[rushmc 23]

I feel the unborn have a right to life. I have no idea of what you are trying to say

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,587]

So who judges when the mother's health issue, mental or physical, is important enough for abortion?

Obviously you don't think the pregnant woman should. There are limits now where the state steps in ( I.e. No abortions at eight months). I'm guessing you think they should be stronger.

Question then -- does a six week fetus get a funeral? How about if the mother didn't even know she was pregnant?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

So who judges when the mother's health issue, mental or physical, is important enough for abortion?

Obviously you don't think the pregnant woman should. There are limits now where the state steps in ( I.e. No abortions at eight months). I'm guessing you think they should be stronger.

Question then -- does a six week fetus get a funeral? How about if the mother didn't even know she was pregnant?

Wendy P.

I dont know Wendy
You know where I stand and my conflicts as I have taken the time to tell you that I believe in the babies right to live. That abortions should not be used just to get those who practice loose bad behavior off the hook
I also do not think the state has a right to outright ban abortion
I also do not think the state or the fed should fund them

But my purpose was different here in this thread
Abortion, in the context of this thread is NOT about hc

To say that is all it is diminishes life as a whole because the unborn and children are the most protected we have in our society. At least that is what many say it should be

but to argue it is a hc issue takes the supporter off the hook because after all , it is just a medical procedure

Really? that is all it is?

Sorry, I dont feet that is the way this issue should be framed. Those aborted mean more than that
Those that support this have to take account for their position
But they dont want to

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,114]

>I feel the unborn have a right to life. I have no idea of what you are trying to say

About 20 posts above:

>I am pro choice

"Pro choice" means allowing women to decide whether or not to have an abortion. You've contradicted yourself.

[normiss 893]

But it's incorrect.
It's clearly a restomod.

Making it not nice in my book because it's a fake.

I did some research and found that a rare 1970 only model had just this.
I thought all R/T's were big blocks.

Huh.



Love that 340 motor.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>I feel the unborn have a right to life. I have no idea of what you are trying to say

About 20 posts above:

>I am pro choice

"Pro choice" means allowing women to decide whether or not to have an abortion. You've contradicted yourself.

Nope
I am pro choice
But I choose life

Anyway you look at this is it a choice
We are talking about which choice is best and why

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,114]

>I am pro choice
>But I choose life

What is your definition of "pro choice?" From what you have said above, you have a different definition than everyone else.

[GeorgiaDon 379]

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So who decides which rights are absoute and which are not?

Jehovah's Witnesses' have a well-known prohibition against receiving blood transfusions, even if it means they will die. Their prohibition is based on their view of the sacredness of life. From Wikipedia:

" Blood represents life[13] and is sacred to God.[14][15] After it has been removed from a creature, the only use of blood that God has authorized is for the atonement of sins.[16] When a Christian abstains from blood, they are in effect expressing faith that only the shed blood of Jesus Christ can truly redeem them and save their life.[14]
Blood must not be eaten or transfused,[10][17] even in the case of a medical emergency.[18]"

So Rush, how would you feel about blood transfusions being prohibited by law, even if that means you would be allowed to die of an easily treated injury, because one segment of society believes blood is sacred?

Don

_____________________________________
Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>I am pro choice
>But I choose life

What is your definition of "pro choice?" From what you have said above, you have a different definition than everyone else.

Well, not everyone else
But different than you do
It is a choice
For either side
the debate is what is chosen now isn't it.

I do not buy into this phrase being co-opted by the pro abortion group, which is really what you support

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

GeorgiaDon

Quote

So who decides which rights are absoute and which are not?

Jehovah's Witnesses' have a well-known prohibition against receiving blood transfusions, even if it means they will die. Their prohibition is based on their view of the sacredness of life. From Wikipedia:

" Blood represents life[13] and is sacred to God.[14][15] After it has been removed from a creature, the only use of blood that God has authorized is for the atonement of sins.[16] When a Christian abstains from blood, they are in effect expressing faith that only the shed blood of Jesus Christ can truly redeem them and save their life.[14]
Blood must not be eaten or transfused,[10][17] even in the case of a medical emergency.[18]"

So Rush, how would you feel about blood transfusions being prohibited by law, even if that means you would be allowed to die of an easily treated injury, because one segment of society believes blood is sacred?

Don

start a different thread

and note, since you seemed to miss it
I do not think abortion should be banned by law
I also do not think is should be anytime you want it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 893]

Just have the balls to admit you're pro-life!
You're clearly not pro-choice.

I prefer to let people do with their own bodies as they please.
AKA pro-choice.
Your choice, not my choice.

[rushmc 23]

normiss

Just have the balls to admit you're pro-life!
You're clearly not pro-choice.

I prefer to let people do with their own bodies as they please.
AKA pro-choice.
Your choice, not my choice.

You post is an example of why I am pro choice on the life side
You cant stand you precious buzz phrase being used other than you want it to be used

I am pro choice
And I chose life
You are pro choice
You chose killing the unborn

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,114]

>Well, not everyone else

Yes, everyone else. The term "pro-choice" means allowing women to choose on their own whether or not to get abortions.

If you are saying "well, but abortions shouldn't be so common, and should not be used as birth control for people with no self control" then yes, you agree with most other pro-choice (in the real sense of the word) out there. I don't know a single pro-choice person who thinks that abortion should be common, or a way to avoid having to use birth control, or as a way to allow consequence-free sex.

>I do not buy into this phrase being co-opted by the pro abortion group, which is really
>what you support

No. I am not pro-abortion, nor do I support any pro-abortion group using that term. That term does not mean pro-abortion, it means pro-choice.

[normiss 893]

Fine, put words in mouth while denying what you have said.

Good day sir.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Well, not everyone else

Yes, everyone else. The term "pro-choice" means allowing women to choose on their own whether or not to get abortions.

If you are saying "well, but abortions shouldn't be so common, and should not be used as birth control for people with no self control" then yes, you agree with most other pro-choice (in the real sense of the word) out there. I don't know a single pro-choice person who thinks that abortion should be common, or a way to avoid having to use birth control, or as a way to allow consequence-free sex.

>I do not buy into this phrase being co-opted by the pro abortion group, which is really
>what you support

No. I am not pro-abortion, nor do I support any pro-abortion group using that term. That term does not mean pro-abortion, it means pro-choice.

You can call it anything you like
I am pro choice
I pick life

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

normiss

Fine, put words in mouth while denying what you have said.

Good day sir.

I have been very damned clear about where I stand
you just cant stand your term being used against you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,114]

>I am pro choice
>I pick life

Cool. Let's apply Rushspeak to other groups:

The Brady coalition is pro-gun. They choose life.
The EPA is pro-coal. They choose clean air.
Obamacare is pro-choice. They choose health insurance for you.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>I am pro choice
>I pick life

Cool. Let's apply Rushspeak to other groups:

The Brady coalition is pro-gun. They choose life.
The EPA is pro-coal. They choose clean air.
Obamacare is pro-choice. They choose health insurance for you.

I guess I am not allowed to have a choice then huh

but, this is what the left is all about in the end anyway

Oh, and you are pro abortion
You just cant admit is to yourself

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,114]

>I guess I am not allowed to have a choice them huh

Sure you are! But being pro-choice means you think OTHER people should be able to make their own choices, too.

>Oh, and you are pro abortion

You are just as pro-abortion as I am.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>I guess I am not allowed to have a choice them huh

Sure you are! But being pro-choice means you think OTHER people should be able to make their own choices, too.

.

Absolutely
But I dont think they can lie about what abortion is and where they stand about it
It is NOT a hc issue
Is is a choice
One is life
One is not life

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[GeorgiaDon 379]

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It is NOT a hc issue
Is is a choice
One is life
One is not life

Jehova's Witnesses' believe the exact same thing about blood transfusions.

You want to make the choice for women, but you don't want Jehova's Witnesses' to make the choice about whether or not to receive a life-saving transfusion for you.

Funny how that works.

Out of curiosity, when was the last time you, personally, had to decide whether or not to have an abortion?

Don

_____________________________________
Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[rushmc 23]

To all
Just saying you are pro choice, without defining where you stand is a gutless whips way out

So you are pro choice and you define this by saying I support the woman's right to chose

You are pro choice
Awwww
Isnt that nice

Well, it is nice way to think yourself superior and most of all, letting your ass off the hook

But is makes you feel good and superior

As I have stated (and had the guts to do so) this topic is terribly conflicting to me. And it bothers me that let myself off the hook.

So, I have "settled" with myself at this
I do not believe in unrestricted anytime abortion
I also do not believe the state or anyone has unlimited power to totally tell a women is right for them

So, my position is do not use tax dollars to fund abortion (another Obama lie)
And do not use tax dollars to stop it either
And I am disgusted with my own wishy washy stance on this


I also do not believe in those self righteous bastards who proudly proclaim themselves to be pro choice and feel morally superior
Those people are whips and worse

Take a position
Man up

I am not going let you off the hook

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

GeorgiaDon

Quote

It is NOT a hc issue
Is is a choice
One is life
One is not life

Jehova's Witnesses' believe the exact same thing about blood transfusions.

You want to make the choice for women, but you don't want Jehova's Witnesses' to make the choice about whether or not to receive a life-saving transfusion for you.

Funny how that works.

Out of curiosity, when was the last time you, personally, had to decide whether or not to have an abortion?

Don

Do you think the state should be able to force them to comply to what you believe?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,114]

>As I have stated (and had the guts to do so) this topic is terribly conflicting to me.

It is definitely not a problem with any easy solutions.

>I do not believe in unrestricted anytime abortion

Agreed, to an extent. For example, I don't have much of a problem with the 24 hour waiting periods present in some states.

>I also do not believe the state or anyone has unlimited power to totally tell a women is
>right for them

Also agreed.

>So, my position is do not use tax dollars to fund abortion (another Obama lie)
>And do not use tax dollars to stop it either

Also agreed.

>I also do not believe in those self righteous bastards who proudly proclaim themselves
>to be pro choice and feel morally superior

Or people who proudly proclaim themselves to be pro-life - until they (or someone they love) has an unintended pregnancy, and they discover that perhaps it's not such a black and white issue.

Sounds like we are pretty similar in our positions.