NC ultrasound law thrown out by judge

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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The issue of abortion is niether hc or medical in nature

Then what is it?

Life

The issue of abortion is life in nature?

Sorry that sentence doesn't make sense.

Want to try again?

How life is valued by a society

you have been very clear where you stand on it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>I am pointing out the tactic used by pro choicers
>what we see here is the desperate attempt of prochoice

Aren't you a pro choicer?

I am

And I chose life

But then, I see the meaning of this term differnt than those who are ok with killing babies

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>I am And I chose life

Yeah, so did we.

>But then, I see the meaning of this term differnt than those who are ok with killing babies

Is this a standard RushMC Word Game?

Do you think women should have a right to choose for themselves whether or not to have an abortion?

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>I am And I chose life

Yeah, so did we.

>But then, I see the meaning of this term differnt than those who are ok with killing babies

Is this a standard RushMC Word Game?

Do you think women should have a right to choose for themselves whether or not to have an abortion?

to a degree, yes
Do you see this as an absolute right?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>to a degree, yes
>Do you see this as an absolute right?

Absolute? Outside of practical limitations (i.e. there's no clinic near them that does abortions, they are too expensive, there's a medical contraindication) then yes, women do (and should) have a right to get an abortion.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>to a degree, yes
>Do you see this as an absolute right?

Absolute? Outside of practical limitations (i.e. there's no clinic near them that does abortions, they are too expensive, there's a medical contraindication) then yes, women do (and should) have a right to get an abortion.

So who decides which rights are absoute and which are not?

Is freedom of speach absolute?
How about own and carrying weapons?

Oh how the left turns.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>So who decides which rights are absoute and which are not?

The woman.

>Is freedom of speach absolute?

Outside of practical limitations (i.e. you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater because people could die, you can't have a parade unless you get a permit due to the risk of getting run over by a car) yes.

>How about own and carrying weapons?

Outside of practical limitations (your ownership of weapons cannot cause a significant risk of death to bystanders or other innocents) yes.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>So who decides which rights are absoute and which are not?

The woman.

>Is freedom of speach absolute?

Outside of practical limitations (i.e. you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater because people could die, you can't have a parade unless you get a permit due to the risk of getting run over by a car) yes.

>How about own and carrying weapons?

Outside of practical limitations (your ownership of weapons cannot cause a significant risk of death to bystanders or other innocents) yes.

and who decides what those "pracitcal limits" are?

Society ?

Hmmmmm

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

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The issue of abortion is niether hc or medical in nature

Then what is it?

Life

The issue of abortion is life in nature?

Sorry that sentence doesn't make sense.

Want to try again?

How life is valued by a society

you have been very clear where you stand on it

So those who oppose abortion value life more than those who are in favour of abortions?

Yes I am clear where I stand. You seem to be struggling with where you stand.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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The issue of abortion is niether hc or medical in nature

Then what is it?

Life

The issue of abortion is life in nature?

Sorry that sentence doesn't make sense.

Want to try again?

How life is valued by a society

you have been very clear where you stand on it

So those who oppose abortion value life more than those who are in favour of abortions?Yes

Yes I am clear where I stand. You seem to be struggling with where you stand.I have been very clear

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>and who decides what those "pracitcal limits" are? Society ?

At a high level, common sense. At a lower level, legislatures and courts.

[DanG 1]

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billvon wrote:.>I am And I chose life

Yeah, so did we.

>But then, I see the meaning of this term differnt than those who are ok with killing babies

Is this a standard RushMC Word Game?

Do you think women should have a right to choose for themselves whether or not to have an abortion?

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to a degree, yes
Do you see this as an absolute right?

What limitations on the right to abortion do you think are proper?

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>and who decides what those "pracitcal limits" are? Society ?

At a high level, common sense. At a lower level, legislatures and courts.

Nice dodge

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>Nice dodge

Not a dodge at all. There are limitations on abortion, free speech, gun ownership etc. These are decided based on common sense, which is a trait of most people, codified by legislatures and courts.

Which part of that do you disagree with?

[normiss 893]

Not without the host body it isn't.
It's just tissue.

[normiss 893]

1 is incorrect.

I don't like "paying for womone else's whateverthefuckthatcrazypersonisdoing, but I understand I'm part of an insurance pool.
It's either we're all in the pool or we're all out of the pool.
Our gooberment in their infinite wisdom, has placed us all in the pool.

I don't see anybody bitching about the hooker getting her warts zapped off.
Also a medical procedure that is covered under insurance.
Like every other STD.

Are we going to create a public morals review board for medical procedures?

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Nice dodge

Not a dodge at all. There are limitations on abortion, free speech, gun ownership etc. These are decided based on common sense, which is a trait of most people, codified by legislatures and courts.

Which part of that do you disagree with?

what is common sense to you is a joke to me
and visa versa


BTW
what are the limitations on abortion today?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>what are the limitations on abortion today?

Depending on location:

Bans on late term abortion
Parental notification
Parental consent required (banned otherwise)
Mandatory waiting periods
Mandatory ultrasounds
Mandatory counseling

[champu 1]

rushmc

The issue of abortion is niether hc or medical in nature

what we see here is the desperate attempt of prochoice debaters to seperate the taking of a life that is an abortion and just making it medical and a decision of choice

that should scare the hell out of anyone who is honest about what this is

The chiding that republicans (who are all assumed to be pro-life, which is its own problem) are receiving is because of pro-life people who insist on passing legislation under the banner of women's health and that has a very thinly veiled real purpose of stopping as many abortions as possible. You can't insist on using that avenue to achieve ulterior motives and then complain out of the other side of your mouth about the ACA because the government shouldn't be involved in healthcare.

One that's been in the press lately is about doctors in Texas being required to have admitting privileges at a hospital within a certain distance of the clinic. This caused a dozen or so clinics to shut down. Take a wild guess who's supporting that and who's calling it BS. I'll give you a hint, it's not pro-choice people choosing to have that health care argument. While I'm sure many people have more tempered attitudes about abortion when you ask them, that doesn't matter much if they just vote "R" and assume who ever it is will represent them reasonably on the matter.

It reminds me a bit of a recent press conference held by California Senator De Leon about his SB-808 where he holds up a rifle (that has been illegal to manufacture without registering it with the Feds since 1934) and cals it a 30 cal (which it was not) says it can fire off a 30 round magazine (He actually called it a "30 magazine clip" but I'll let that slide, the important part is they've been illegal to purchase or manufacture in CA since 2000) in half a second (holy crap, that's up in M134 territory... not bad for a semi-auto). And he said without his bill people can just order up everything online, slap that thing together with no background check, and have themselves a murderthon.

The point is, I'm sure many democrats would probably just like to figure out a non-intrusive way to keep firearms out of the hands of prohibited persons, and they wonder why discussions break down about semantics and complaints about what an "assault weapon" is. Well, when you just vote "D" and assume he's got your back on gun control, you end up with clowns like De Leon dragging the discussion that way, because he's the one putting pen to paper.

[normiss 893]

Mandatory insults and threats from the protestors front line assault should also be included.

[Andy9o8 2]

rushmc

Nice dodge

Nice Dodge

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>what are the limitations on abortion today?

Depending on location:

Bans on late term abortion
Parental notification
Parental consent required (banned otherwise)
Mandatory waiting periods
Mandatory ultrasounds
Mandatory counseling

most of these are being stopped by the courts

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Andy9o8

***Nice dodge

Nice Dodge

that redefines nice

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

champu

***The issue of abortion is niether hc or medical in nature

what we see here is the desperate attempt of prochoice debaters to seperate the taking of a life that is an abortion and just making it medical and a decision of choice

that should scare the hell out of anyone who is honest about what this is

The chiding that republicans (who are all assumed to be pro-life, which is its own problem) are receiving is because of pro-life people who insist on passing legislation under the banner of women's health and that has a very thinly veiled real purpose of stopping as many abortions as possible. You can't insist on using that avenue to achieve ulterior motives and then complain out of the other side of your mouth about the ACA because the government shouldn't be involved in healthcare.

One that's been in the press lately is about doctors in Texas being required to have admitting privileges at a hospital within a certain distance of the clinic. This caused a dozen or so clinics to shut down. Take a wild guess who's supporting that and who's calling it BS. I'll give you a hint, it's not pro-choice people choosing to have that health care argument. While I'm sure many people have more tempered attitudes about abortion when you ask them, that doesn't matter much if they just vote "R" and assume who ever it is will represent them reasonably on the matter.

It reminds me a bit of a recent press conference held by California Senator De Leon about his SB-808 where he holds up a rifle (that has been illegal to manufacture without registering it with the Feds since 1934) and cals it a 30 cal (which it was not) says it can fire off a 30 round magazine (He actually called it a "30 magazine clip" but I'll let that slide, the important part is they've been illegal to purchase or manufacture in CA since 2000) in half a second (holy crap, that's up in M134 territory... not bad for a semi-auto). And he said without his bill people can just order up everything online, slap that thing together with no background check, and have themselves a murderthon.

The point is, I'm sure many democrats would probably just like to figure out a non-intrusive way to keep firearms out of the hands of prohibited persons, and they wonder why discussions break down about semantics and complaints about what an "assault weapon" is. Well, when you just vote "D" and assume he's got your back on gun control, you end up with clowns like De Leon dragging the discussion that way, because he's the one putting pen to paper.

First off, women's health is not the reason

It is about the unborns right to live

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 893]

Like I said, you are clearly not for pro-choice.

Which fully explains your perspective.

Why must everyone else conform to your beliefs for their lives?