Global warming traps scientists in ice

[brenthutch 444]

The trend is my friend, my friend.

BTW how much snow did you get yesterday?

[billvon 3,096]

http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics/SkepticsvRealists_500.gif

[kallend 2,138]

As usual, brenthutch confuses the contiguous USA a couple of states with the world and one month's day's weather with climate.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[lawrocket 3]

Alarmists see only red:

[Url]http://www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2013/06/WrongModels076.jpg[/url]

There's plenty of this for both sides, Bill. Both side see what they want to see and only point to what they want others to see.

Me? I'd like to see it for myself.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,096]

>Alarmists see only red:

Which IPCC scenario is that representing?

But overall I agree. The climate is warming per the green and blue graphs, and continues to do so despite heated denials (pun intended) from people who profit from ignoring climate change.

[brenthutch 444]

kallend

As usual, brenthutch confuses the contiguous USA a couple of states with the world and one month's day's weather with climate.

Your churlish non-answer would indicate I have struck a nerve.

[kallend 2,138]

brenthutch

***As usual, brenthutch confuses the contiguous USA a couple of states with the world and one month's day's weather with climate.

Your churlish non-answer would indicate I have struck a nerve.

Why should your obvious and consistent confusion strike a nerve with anyone except yourself?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

For your reading pleasure

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/128985-33-stories/

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The following are 23 news stories from a variety of sources that everyone should consider before the avalanche of “go green” stories that will be unveiled on Earth Day – in the media and in our kids’ schools.

Whether or not one wants to promote the perfectly fine goal of fostering a better environment and leaving a cleaner planet for one’s children, that should not be carried out on the basis of disinformation, hysteria, or hidden political agendas.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

rushmc

For your reading pleasure

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/128985-33-stories/

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The following are 23 news stories from a variety of sources that everyone should consider before the avalanche of “go green” stories that will be unveiled on Earth Day – in the media and in our kids’ schools.

Whether or not one wants to promote the perfectly fine goal of fostering a better environment and leaving a cleaner planet for one’s children, that should not be carried out on the basis of disinformation, hysteria, or hidden political agendas.

Hmmm.. more "Fair and Balanced" news sources.... http://www.ijreview.com

What a wonderful list of "news" items All Fear, All the Time

[rushmc 23]

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Whether or not one wants to promote the perfectly fine goal of fostering a better environment and leaving a cleaner planet for one’s children, that should not be carried out on the basis of disinformation, hysteria, or hidden political agendas.

this is well stated

the alarmists should pay attention

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

rushmc

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Whether or not one wants to promote the perfectly fine goal of fostering a better environment and leaving a cleaner planet for one’s children, that should not be carried out on the basis of disinformation, hysteria, or hidden political agendas.

this is well stated

the alarmists should pay attention

Indeed... especially by a group of people with only a profit motive that serves so few.. while harming so many

[rushmc 23]

Amazon

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Whether or not one wants to promote the perfectly fine goal of fostering a better environment and leaving a cleaner planet for one’s children, that should not be carried out on the basis of disinformation, hysteria, or hidden political agendas.

this is well stated

the alarmists should pay attention

Indeed... especially by a group of people with only a profit motive that serves so few.. while harming so many

Agreed
The alarmists will do anything to push a different life style on everyone else while ignoring those changes for themselves

All the while pushing new taxes so they can get rich
A disgusting bunch at best

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

rushmc

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Whether or not one wants to promote the perfectly fine goal of fostering a better environment and leaving a cleaner planet for one’s children, that should not be carried out on the basis of disinformation, hysteria, or hidden political agendas.

this is well stated

the alarmists should pay attention

Indeed... especially by a group of people with only a profit motive that serves so few.. while harming so many

Agreed
The alarmists will do anything to push a different life style on everyone else while ignoring those changes for themselves

All the while pushing new taxes so they can get rich
A disgusting bunch at best


WHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Amazon 7]

Its all about the CHANGE

All you need to do is add energy to the system.

Personally I hate boring climate, I situated myself where the the patterns should not affect me too much... but for others..... let the interesting times roll.

[rushmc 23]

Sure
The alarmists got it all covered

Too warm?
AGW
Too cool?
AGW
Too windy?
AGW
Too calm?
AGW
Too dry?
AGW
Too windy?
AGW
Too much snow?
AGW
Too little snow?
AGW
More hurricanes?
AGW
Fewer hurricanes?
AGW
Floods?
AGW
Droughts
AGW
Too many bugs?
AGW
Too few bugs?
AGW

Did I miss any?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

rushmc

Sure
The alarmists got it all covered

Too warm?
AGW
Too cool?
AGW
Too windy?
AGW
Too calm?
AGW
Too dry?
AGW
Too windy?
AGW
Too much snow?
AGW
Too little snow?
AGW
More hurricanes?
AGW
Fewer hurricanes?
AGW
Floods?
AGW
Droughts
AGW
Too many bugs?
AGW
Too few bugs?
AGW

Did I miss any?

Yes... the official talking points as posted in Koch Industries weekly pamplets that most of us do not have access to

[Amazon 7]

[kallend 2,138]

Amazon

Hey, unfair to Exxon. Exxon now admits that AGW is real.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[brenthutch 444]

From a climate scientist,
"The complex and only partially understood relationship between greenhouse gases and global warming leads to a political dilemma. We do not know when to expect a warming of 2 degrees Celsius. The IPCC assumes that the earth will warm up by 1.5 to 4.5 degrees Celcius in response to a doubling of CO2 concentration. These high values of climate sensitivity, however, are not supported by observations. In other words: global warming has not been a serious problem so far if we rely on observations. It is only a problem when we refer to climate simulations by computer models.

There is no alternative to such computer simulations if one wants to predict future developments. However, since there is no way to validate them, the forecasts are more a matter of faith than a fact. The IPCC has published its expert opinion a few months ago and presented it in the form of probabilities. As long as the results cannot be supported by validated models they produce a false impression of reliability."

[kallend 2,138]

"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future."; Neils Bohr (Nobel prizewinning physicist and one of the founders of quantum mechanics).

There are lots of things we can't predict exactly, but that doesn't mean the basic science is incorrect.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[lawrocket 3]

[Reply]There are lots of things we can't predict exactly, but that doesn't mean the basic science is incorrect.

[brenthutch 444]

If this was just an esoteric discussion among climate scientists, it would be no big deal. "Oops, our climate model was wrong. Let us learn from our mistakes and continue to develop our understanding."

Instead we get "An Inconvenient Truth".

[winsor 236]

kallend

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Hey, unfair to Exxon. Exxon now admits that AGW is real.

They'd make blood sacrifice to Baal if there was a buck to be made.

[winsor 236]

kallend

"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future."; Neils Bohr (Nobel prizewinning physicist and one of the founders of quantum mechanics).

There are lots of things we can't predict exactly, but that doesn't mean the basic science is incorrect.

Good point.

[kallend 2,138]

lawrocket

[Reply]There are lots of things we can't predict exactly, but that doesn't mean the basic science is incorrect.

The problem is when predictions are "based on science" the way a Hollywood film is "based on a true story."

We know that the basic science is correct. What's being done with the basic science apparently isn't.