Marine murders in Afghanistan underscore abhorrent ROE

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rickjump1

Just read his comments, Sherlock.

Once you've taken a day to calm down, I hope you'll feel at least a little ashamed of yourself. If not, there's truly nothing left of you worth having a conversation with.

C-ya.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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rickjump1

*********Thank you for your service, but I really believe you would have been better suited for the Peace Corps.

Dude. That's low. That's really, really fucking low. How could you possibly know anything about his military aptitude?

Good to know where right wing priorities lie - "Support the troops!! Unless they're liberal!!"

Well said. Stumpy, your name implies you have vast bestiality experience with stump- broke cows. Therefore, you're on ignore.


Awesome.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[wmw999 2,589]

Dude, were I a moderator, you'd've been at least warned. Be glad I'm not a moderator (I'm not always nice). Play the point, not the player. Disagree with what they say, using facts and arguments. Name-calling says a lot more about you than about them.

Yeah, I know, I'm just a stupid fucking liberal bitch, but, well, I'm just as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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It looks to me that we have to flex our muscles every twenty years and end up wasting our youth and financial resources overseas without a clear and defined mission, nor do we place any time limit on this "outing". When things get nasty, we put constraints on the people doing the fighting, and the enemy uses this to their full advantage. If we are so interested in the "people" why not make a deal with the Taliban for the Peace Corps to, "at a minimum", give them modern healthcare without any troops.

It's really a shame how we let OBL get away for so long. Clinton balked more than once, and Bush just gave up. If we had gotten him earlier and killed or chased his lieutenants into permanent hiding, I think things would have been different. We have failed to bring in the people who attacked our consulate in Benghazi, and now every jihadist knows we are neutered by this administration. We even allow our enemies to stage out of the United States, infiltrate our armed forces, and use our Constitution against us.
We are fucked without a real commander-in-chief period. This one is stacking the military with politically correct officers from the General Officers Corps on down. We are on the path to having a token military. Sorry for the rant.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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Post: Just read his comments, Sherlock.

i've tried to ignore this, but it's burning my briefs. What exactly did I say that makes you think I was unfit for military service?

- Dan G

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Would you accept an apology this late? I'm really sorry. I was in the idiot mode, and had no right to question your honorable service and loyalty to this great country. This is sincere.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[jakee 1,596]

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It looks to me that we have to flex our muscles every twenty years and end up wasting our youth and financial resources overseas without a clear and defined mission, nor do we place any time limit on this "outing". When things get nasty, we put constraints on the people doing the fighting, and the enemy uses this to their full advantage.

I don't understand your point. Earlier you moaned about Obama putting a time limit on a mission, now you're moaning about other Presidents not putting time limits on missions. You kinda have to pick one.

Also, until now you've been blaming Obama for everything you've just mentioned but now you're saying "'twas ever thus."

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If we are so interested in the "people" why not make a deal with the Taliban for the Peace Corps to, "at a minimum", give them modern healthcare without any troops.

I think you know that's completely ridiculous. It's the Taliban. They don't think like that.

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It's really a shame how we let OBL get away for so long. Clinton balked more than once, and Bush just gave up. If we had gotten him earlier and killed or chased his lieutenants into permanent hiding, I think things would have been different. We have failed to bring in the people who attacked our consulate in Benghazi, and now every jihadist knows we are neutered by this administration.

So... you blame Clinton for not killing OBL. You blame Bush for not killing OBL. OBL is killed under Obama's watch and now they think the US is neutered? How does that follow?

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This one is stacking the military with politically correct officers from the General Officers Corps on down.

Nope, that's just your paranoia talking.

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Sorry for the rant.

You shouldn't be sorry for ranting, you should be sorry for making absolutely no sense.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[DanG 1]

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Would you accept an apology this late? I'm really sorry. I was in the idiot mode, and had no right to question your honorable service and loyalty to this great country. This is sincere.

Thank you. Apology accepted.

I do love my country, as you clearly do, too.

- Dan G

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"I don't understand your point. Earlier you moaned about Obama putting a time limit on a mission, now you're moaning about other Presidents not putting time limits on missions. You kinda have to pick one."
>Obama's troop surge announcement followed by a withdrawal date was nothing but great news to the enemy who could make or change plans indefinitely. There was "no" real time limit until the last American would come home. We could be there indefinitely, or until Karzi gets a better deal with the Taliban or India. You do understand we are trying to work a post 2014 deal with Karzi; right?
Regarding other presidents: with time restraints, there would be real questions about the feasibility of going to war at all. Most of all, there would be no such thing as "limited warfare" if we actually went. We would go, complete the mission, and come home. Of course we would use drones when possible to keep the troops at home.
>If we are so interested in the "people" why not make a deal with the Taliban for the Peace Corps to, "at a minimum", give them modern healthcare without any troops.
"I think you know that's completely ridiculous. It's the Taliban. They don't think like that."
>Had we done the exact things to the Taliban that they did to the innocent, they "they would think just like that". We just don't have the stomach to bring war on the civilians who support the Taliban. We fight with "limited warfare", and this is where the rules of engagement benefit the Taliban.

>It's really a shame how we let OBL get away for so long. Clinton balked more than once, and Bush just gave up. If we had gotten him earlier and killed or chased his lieutenants into permanent hiding, I think things would have been different. We have failed to bring in the people who attacked our consulate in Benghazi, and now every jihadist knows we are neutered by this administration.
"So... you blame Clinton for not killing OBL. You blame Bush for not killing OBL. OBL is killed under Obama's watch and now they think the US is neutered? How does that follow?"
>It's about timing. By the time the CIA located OBL, he was ready to draw social security. He had pulled off 9-11 and established Al Quaeda around the world. Had Clinton acted on real-time intelligence they could have killed him before 9-11. Sure, OBL was killed "under Obama's watch"; better late than never.
The President of the United States left his post as Commander-in-Chief the day after the attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi to campaign in California. The terrorists who attacked our consulate and murdered American citizens have never been brought to justice. "They" have good reason to think were are "neutered".

>This one is stacking the military with politically correct officers from the General Officers Corps on down.
"Nope, that's just your paranoia talking"
>It was political correctness that allowed Major Nidel Hasan to murder those soldiers and civilians at Fort Hood, and it was political correctness that restricted the use of firearms on post to civilian police officers.

>Question: Regarding Afghanistan, how come the British went home defeated. Any advice?

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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DanG

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Would you accept an apology this late? I'm really sorry. I was in the idiot mode, and had no right to question your honorable service and loyalty to this great country. This is sincere.

Thank you. Apology accepted.

I do love my country, as you clearly do, too.

Thanks, I know you do love your country.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[jakee 1,596]

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Obama's troop surge announcement followed by a withdrawal date was nothing but great news to the enemy who could make or change plans indefinitely. There was "no" real time limit until the last American would come home. We could be there indefinitely,

So you're against setting a time limit because it means there is actually no time limit, but you're ok with not setting a time limit because that means there is one?

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Regarding other presidents: with time restraints, there would be real questions about the feasibility of going to war at all. Most of all, there would be no such thing as "limited warfare" if we actually went. We would go, complete the mission, and come home.

When did that happen? Korea? No. Vietnam? No. Cuba? No. Cambodia? No. Balkans? No. Gulf 1? No. Afghanistan*? No. Gulf 2**? No. So... what version of history are you talking about?

* Not started by Obama.

** Also not started by Obama.

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Had we done the exact things to the Taliban that they did to the innocent, they "they would think just like that". We just don't have the stomach to bring war on the civilians who support the Taliban. We fight with "limited warfare", and this is where the rules of engagement benefit the Taliban.

You think you'll get the result you want with torture, oppression and indiscrimiate bloodshed?

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It's about timing. By the time the CIA located OBL, he was ready to draw social security. He had pulled off 9-11 and established Al Quaeda around the world.

How convenient, because Obama got it done it obviously didn't matter any more.

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>This one is stacking the military with politically correct officers from the General Officers Corps on down.
"Nope, that's just your paranoia talking"
>It was political correctness that allowed Major Nidel Hasan to murder those soldiers and civilians at Fort Hood, and it was political correctness that restricted the use of firearms on post to civilian police officers.

Major Nidal hasan joined the Army under Reagan and served under Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2 and Obama. Why is it Obama's fault he was allowed to serve? Similarly, gun restrictions on military bases came from Bush 1 and Clinton, and were carried through both of Bush 2's terms. Why is that bit of political correctness Obama's fault?

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Question: Regarding Afghanistan, how come the British went home defeated. Any advice?

Everyone's gone home defeated. Even Vizzini knew that. In this case though, my advice would be to go back in time and not invade Iraq.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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wmw999

(I'm not always nice).

Do you have a librarian outfit?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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wmw999

Dude, were I a moderator, you'd've been at least warned. Be glad I'm not a moderator (I'm not always nice). Play the point, not the player. Disagree with what they say, using facts and arguments. Name-calling says a lot more about you than about them.

Yeah, I know, I'm just a stupid fucking liberal bitch, but, well, I'm just as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours.

Wendy P.

(Thunderous Applause icon)

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jakee

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Obama's troop surge announcement followed by a withdrawal date was nothing but great news to the enemy who could make or change plans indefinitely. There was "no" real time limit until the last American would come home. We could be there indefinitely,

So you're against setting a time limit because it means there is actually no time limit, but you're ok with not setting a time limit because that means there is one?
>Nice mix of words. Barack Hussein intends to make Afghanistan our 51 state; not the UK.

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Regarding other presidents: with time restraints, there would be real questions about the feasibility of going to war at all. Most of all, there would be no such thing as "limited warfare" if we actually went. We would go, complete the mission, and come home.

When did that happen? Korea? No. Vietnam? No. Cuba? No. Cambodia? No. Balkans? No. Gulf 1? No. Afghanistan*? No. Gulf 2**? No. So... what version of history are you talking about?

* Not started by Obama.

** Also not started by Obama.
>It hasn't happened yet until the American public wakes up. Obama? The NO (neighborhood organizer) can't manage a DQ (dairy queen) so why would he care about bringing the troops home. He too busy working damage control. As long as he can keep the troops in Afghanistan, there will be fewer voters against him. The bonus for him? A lot more will die.

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Had we done the exact things to the Taliban that they did to the innocent, they "they would think just like that". We just don't have the stomach to bring war on the civilians who support the Taliban. We fight with "limited warfare", and this is where the rules of engagement benefit the Taliban.

You think you'll get the result you want with torture, oppression and indiscrimiate bloodshed?
> War is a dirty business, and you British should know.

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It's about timing. By the time the CIA located OBL, he was ready to draw social security. He had pulled off 9-11 and established Al Quaeda around the world.

How convenient, because Obama got it done it obviously didn't matter any more.
>You said it. Like I said, "Better late than never".

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>This one is stacking the military with politically correct officers from the General Officers Corps on down.
"Nope, that's just your paranoia talking"
Nope, that's happening.
>It was political correctness that allowed Major Nidel Hasan to murder those soldiers and civilians at Fort Hood, and it was political correctness that restricted the use of firearms on post to civilian police officers.

Major Nidal hasan joined the Army under Reagan and served under Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2 and Obama. Why is it Obama's fault he was allowed to serve? Similarly, gun restrictions on military bases came from Bush 1 and Clinton, and were carried through both of Bush 2's terms. Why is that bit of political correctness Obama's fault?
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>No doubt Hasan went through the ranks under Bush, but his extreme Jihadist views tipped the scale after he was at Fort Hood, and after he had orders to serve in Afghanistan. The FBI knew this and did nothing. Nothing alleged there.
"Hasan first appeared on the bureau's radar in December of 2008—nearly a year before the Fort Hood massacre—when he emailed Awlaki to ask him whether serving in the US military was compatible with the Muslim faith. He also asked whether Awlaki considered those who died attacking their fellow soldiers "shaheeds," or martyrs."-Mother Jones

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Question: Regarding Afghanistan, how come the British went home defeated. Any advice?

Everyone's gone home defeated. Even Vizzini knew that. In this case though, my advice would be to go back in time and not invade Iraq.

Check out the Art of War by Sun Tzu

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[jakee 1,596]

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The NO (neighborhood organizer) can't manage a DQ (dairy queen) so why would he care about bringing the troops home. He too busy working damage control. As long as he can keep the troops in Afghanistan, there will be fewer voters against him. The bonus for him? A lot more will die.

See, that's just insane.

If it's all about votes then why did Bush send them away in the first place, and why didn't he bring them back before the '08 election?

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No doubt Hasan went through the ranks under Bush, but his extreme Jihadist views tipped the scale after he was at Fort Hood, and after he had orders to serve in Afghanistan. The FBI knew this and did nothing. Nothing alleged there.
"Hasan first appeared on the bureau's radar in December of 2008

I don't know if you remember 2008 but by my calendar, Bush was still President then.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jclalor 12]

Have you ever noticed conservatives, in particular the Tea Party, have no problem accepting the most far fetched conspiracies involving Obama? Yet when liberals are (were) presented with 911 and chem-trail conspiracies about Bush, they just shook their heads and laughed.

[rehmwa 2]

jclalor

Have you ever noticed conservatives, in particular the Tea Party, have no problem accepting the most far fetched conspiracies involving Obama? Yet when liberals are (were) presented with 911 and chem-trail conspiracies about Bush, they just shook their heads and laughed.

are you just now noting the similarities in:

1 - what fanatics will believe in to validate their views?
2 - how both sides will define an entire group of people by fanatics that live in the fringe of that group?

it's a start, congrats

...
Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[jclalor 12]

rehmwa

***Have you ever noticed conservatives, in particular the Tea Party, have no problem accepting the most far fetched conspiracies involving Obama? Yet when liberals are (were) presented with 911 and chem-trail conspiracies about Bush, they just shook their heads and laughed.

are you just now noting the similarities in:

1 - what fanatics will believe in to validate their views?
2 - how both sides will define an entire group of people by fanatics that live in the fringe of that group?

it's a start, congrats

What was once considered the Conservative fringe is now routinely elected to national office, not so much on the left.

[turtlespeed 226]

jclalor

******Have you ever noticed conservatives, in particular the Tea Party, have no problem accepting the most far fetched conspiracies involving Obama? Yet when liberals are (were) presented with 911 and chem-trail conspiracies about Bush, they just shook their heads and laughed.

are you just now noting the similarities in:

1 - what fanatics will believe in to validate their views?
2 - how both sides will define an entire group of people by fanatics that live in the fringe of that group?

it's a start, congrats

What was once considered the Conservative fringe is now routinely elected to national office, not so much on the left.

Bwahahahahahahahahahhhaa

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[jclalor 12]

turtlespeed

*********Have you ever noticed conservatives, in particular the Tea Party, have no problem accepting the most far fetched conspiracies involving Obama? Yet when liberals are (were) presented with 911 and chem-trail conspiracies about Bush, they just shook their heads and laughed.

are you just now noting the similarities in:

1 - what fanatics will believe in to validate their views?
2 - how both sides will define an entire group of people by fanatics that live in the fringe of that group?

it's a start, congrats

What was once considered the Conservative fringe is now routinely elected to national office, not so much on the left.

Bwahahahahahahahahahhhaa

Wilson Reagan wouldn't stand a prayer in today's GOP.

[turtlespeed 226]

jclalor

************Have you ever noticed conservatives, in particular the Tea Party, have no problem accepting the most far fetched conspiracies involving Obama? Yet when liberals are (were) presented with 911 and chem-trail conspiracies about Bush, they just shook their heads and laughed.

are you just now noting the similarities in:

1 - what fanatics will believe in to validate their views?
2 - how both sides will define an entire group of people by fanatics that live in the fringe of that group?

it's a start, congrats

What was once considered the Conservative fringe is now routinely elected to national office, not so much on the left.

Bwahahahahahahahahahhhaa

Wilson Reagan wouldn't stand a prayer in today's GOP.

Neither would JFK.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[jclalor 12]

turtlespeed

***************Have you ever noticed conservatives, in particular the Tea Party, have no problem accepting the most far fetched conspiracies involving Obama? Yet when liberals are (were) presented with 911 and chem-trail conspiracies about Bush, they just shook their heads and laughed.

are you just now noting the similarities in:

1 - what fanatics will believe in to validate their views?
2 - how both sides will define an entire group of people by fanatics that live in the fringe of that group?

it's a start, congrats

What was once considered the Conservative fringe is now routinely elected to national office, not so much on the left.

Bwahahahahahahahahahhhaa

Wilson Reagan wouldn't stand a prayer in today's GOP.

Neither would JFK.
I agree, JFK would not stand a prayer in today's GOP, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but I agree.

[turtlespeed 226]

jclalor

******************Have you ever noticed conservatives, in particular the Tea Party, have no problem accepting the most far fetched conspiracies involving Obama? Yet when liberals are (were) presented with 911 and chem-trail conspiracies about Bush, they just shook their heads and laughed.

are you just now noting the similarities in:

1 - what fanatics will believe in to validate their views?
2 - how both sides will define an entire group of people by fanatics that live in the fringe of that group?

it's a start, congrats

What was once considered the Conservative fringe is now routinely elected to national office, not so much on the left.

Bwahahahahahahahahahhhaa

Wilson Reagan wouldn't stand a prayer in today's GOP.

Neither would JFK.
I agree, JFK would not stand a prayer in today's GOP, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but I agree.
OK . . . you got me on that one . . . but I'm mostly sure you now what I meant. You cant really be THAT dense, can you?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[jclalor 12]

turtlespeed

*********************Have you ever noticed conservatives, in particular the Tea Party, have no problem accepting the most far fetched conspiracies involving Obama? Yet when liberals are (were) presented with 911 and chem-trail conspiracies about Bush, they just shook their heads and laughed.

are you just now noting the similarities in:

1 - what fanatics will believe in to validate their views?
2 - how both sides will define an entire group of people by fanatics that live in the fringe of that group?

it's a start, congrats

What was once considered the Conservative fringe is now routinely elected to national office, not so much on the left.

Bwahahahahahahahahahhhaa

Wilson Reagan wouldn't stand a prayer in today's GOP.

Neither would JFK.
I agree, JFK would not stand a prayer in today's GOP, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but I agree.
OK . . . you got me on that one . . . but I'm mostly sure you now what I meant. You cant really be THAT dense, can you?

[TriGirl 343]

rickjump1

An Overseas Vote Foundation survey found that nearly a quarter of military and overseas-civilian voters never even received their requested absentee ballots for the 2008 presidential election. Another 10 percent got their ballots less than seven days before the election — too late to return them.

Untrue (the bold part). Election results are not certified until weeks after the election. Absentee ballots are counted as they are received until the results are certified. However, since so few miliary personnel are voting in each district, the chances that those absentee ballots received after the general election would change the outcome of the election are all but non-existent.

(Note: while service as a voting assistance officer, I saw the timeline of when absentee ballots are counted, which is why I remember this. However, I cannot locate right now a link to this information. Statistical comments about absentee voters in each district are my own observation)

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