States with most gun violence

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kelpdiver

I'm struggling a bit however, with calling it gun violence or knife violence, or taser violence. If the killing is justified, does it matter how it was done?

The point I was driving at was if the instances of "gun violence" were entirely made up of citizens defending themselves from knife attacks, would the gun even be the focus?

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
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kallend

Probably not what you think:

247wallst.com/special-report/2013/04/15/states-with-the-most-gun-violence/2/

im curious to know what are the cities with the greatest chance of being a victim of a shooting. really that is all that matters to me. NYC is pretty safe compared to Camden or Baltimore, by that standard. London or Rome are even safe id guess. thats all i care about when i go outside or travel.

"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird."
John Frusciante

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kallend

I think the word was "liars".

You defend one here regularly

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Lefty

***Does the word "indicator" mean anything to you?

Can you have a discussion without acting like a small, silly man?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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SkyDekker

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I'm struggling a bit however, with calling it gun violence or knife violence, or taser violence. If the killing is justified, does it matter how it was done?

Yes


Licking the knife after cutting out his liver during a justifiable homicide may indicate some other issues

still smarter than licking the taser

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weekender

im curious to know what are the cities with the greatest chance of being a victim of a shooting. really that is all that matters to me. NYC is pretty safe compared to Camden or Baltimore, by that standard. London or Rome are even safe id guess. thats all i care about when i go outside or travel.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/25-most-dangerous-neighborhoods/

and

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/

world wide? well... google is your friend. But New Orleans and Detroit still make those lists.

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Rob

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rhaig

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im curious to know what are the cities with the greatest chance of being a victim of a shooting. really that is all that matters to me. NYC is pretty safe compared to Camden or Baltimore, by that standard. London or Rome are even safe id guess. thats all i care about when i go outside or travel.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/25-most-dangerous-neighborhoods/

and

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/

world wide? well... google is your friend. But New Orleans and Detroit still make those lists.

thank for the data, not being sarcastic. however, my comment was more about the relevance of the article. i dont find it very relevant to my concerns. or IMO most peoples concerns. if my purpose was to deflect attention from urban areas, then its a great article. which i suppose is the purpose of the post and the article.

"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird."
John Frusciante

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kallend

And ]THIS [/url] is about perception of the residents of cities, rather than violent crime rate.

While [url "http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/10/04/the-most-dangerous-states-in-america/2/">These are the states with the highest violent crime rates overall.

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Interesting how you use the same website for all of your data. Wall street 24/7. Yeah. That seems like a logical source of firearms data...if it were owned by bloomberg.

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rehmwa

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I'm struggling a bit however, with calling it gun violence or knife violence, or taser violence. If the killing is justified, does it matter how it was done?

Yes


Licking the knife after cutting out his liver during a justifiable homicide may indicate some other issues

still smarter than licking the taser

Yes



Taser and Chianti do not go well together.

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SkyDekker

Taser and Chianti do not go well together.

but it may improve a box wine.

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kelpdiver

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Taser and Chianti do not go well together.

but it may improve a box wine.

Probably give it a little zip.

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rushmc

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I think the word was "liars".

You defend one here regularly

That's a lie! A damned lie!

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IIRC

You don't.

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rhaig

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While These are the states with the highest violent crime rates overall.

While it is not a state, it's interesting to note that DC beats out the number 1 on that list by more than a factor of two at 1,330.2 violent crimes per 100K population.

DC isn't a state so not really comparable. DC is 100% urban. There is no state remotely like that. Apples to tangerines.

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rushmc

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I think the word was "liars".

You defend one here regularly

I don't recall defending you.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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weekender

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im curious to know what are the cities with the greatest chance of being a victim of a shooting. really that is all that matters to me. NYC is pretty safe compared to Camden or Baltimore, by that standard. London or Rome are even safe id guess. thats all i care about when i go outside or travel.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/25-most-dangerous-neighborhoods/

and

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/

world wide? well... google is your friend. But New Orleans and Detroit still make those lists.

thank for the data, not being sarcastic. however, my comment was more about the relevance of the article. i dont find it very relevant to my concerns. or IMO most peoples concerns. if my purpose was to deflect attention from urban areas, then its a great article. which i suppose is the purpose of the post and the article.

I posted the list of the cities with highest murder rate fairly recently.

Here it is again.

www.policymic.com/articles/22686/america-s-10-deadliest-cities-2012

And here are the top 100 for all violent crime:

www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/

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kallend

******

I think the word was "liars".

You defend one here regularly

I don't recall defending you.Exactly

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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kallend

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While it is not a state, it's interesting to note that DC beats out the number 1 on that list by more than a factor of two at 1,330.2 violent crimes per 100K population.

DC isn't a state so not really comparable. DC is 100% urban. There is no state remotely like that. Apples to tangerines.

really...

I should have noted that in my post. And perhaps added a caveat that it is just an interesting number because DC isn't a state.

Thanks for the correction prof.

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rhaig

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While it is not a state, it's interesting to note that DC beats out the number 1 on that list by more than a factor of two at 1,330.2 violent crimes per 100K population.

DC isn't a state so not really comparable. DC is 100% urban. There is no state remotely like that. Apples to tangerines.

really...

I should have noted that in my post. And perhaps added a caveat that it is just an interesting number because DC isn't a state.

Thanks for the correction prof.

If you want to compare urban areas, then do that. Comparing one urban area to 50 states is meaningless and therefore not remotely interesting. Unless meaningless things interest you, of course.

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kallend

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im curious to know what are the cities with the greatest chance of being a victim of a shooting. really that is all that matters to me. NYC is pretty safe compared to Camden or Baltimore, by that standard. London or Rome are even safe id guess. thats all i care about when i go outside or travel.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/25-most-dangerous-neighborhoods/

and

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/

world wide? well... google is your friend. But New Orleans and Detroit still make those lists.

thank for the data, not being sarcastic. however, my comment was more about the relevance of the article. i dont find it very relevant to my concerns. or IMO most peoples concerns. if my purpose was to deflect attention from urban areas, then its a great article. which i suppose is the purpose of the post and the article.

I posted the list of the cities with highest murder rate fairly recently.

Here it is again.

www.policymic.com/articles/22686/america-s-10-deadliest-cities-2012

And here are the top 100 for all violent crime:

www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/

you must be in a hurry this evening... that's a couple of posts this evening in this thread where you've repeated information in the section you quoted (but apparently didn't read)

try decaf

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Rob

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Andy9o8

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IIRC

You don't.

Well, if it wasn't Rogers it was likely Sam Clemens. I doubt if it was Karl Marx.

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kallend

******Probably not what you think:

247wallst.com/special-report/2013/04/15/states-with-the-most-gun-violence/2/

but these all refer to homicides, not murder, right?

So wouldn't these numbers also include self defense and police shootings?

Wasn't their some famous person who said there are liers, damn liers and statistics?

Jan

Aren't shootings by police or in self defense themselves indicators of gun violence? (Of course, we'd have to remember the NYPD shoots people for holding a wallet, but in general...)

So you think self defense is the same as murder?

And you think guns are animate objects?

Isn't changing the subject the way you always... oh never mind, try this instead, it actually sheds some light on which of you Yanks are doing what

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/11/14/gun-violence-significantly-increased-by-social-interactions

Jan

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kallend

***I was a little confused to see, for example, Arizona listed as 4th when the three major violence stats were ranked 13th, 16th, and 19th for that state.

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Based on data provided by the Center for American Progress [a progressive think tank that supports gun control], 24/7 Wall St. analyzed the 10 states with the most gun violence. These rankings were based on 10 different criteria, including 2010 firearm homicide deaths per 100,000 people and 2011 firearm-related aggravated assaults. Calculated by the Center, the average rank among all states for each criteria was used to determine the ranking.

Averaging rankings is dumb...

Yes.

How would YOU do it?

How would I what? Make how new guns used in a crimes are just as important as how many murders are committed? Simple, I wouldn't... That's why I looked up the original uncombined rankings and shared them.

Here's an exercise for you... tell me four implications of the way the rankings were combined in the article YOU posted that you agree with and why. And then tell me four implications of this averaging that you disagree with and why.

Then write, "I will not average rankings of non-independent statistics" 100 times on the blackboard.

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bakerjan

*********Probably not what you think:

247wallst.com/special-report/2013/04/15/states-with-the-most-gun-violence/2/

but these all refer to homicides, not murder, right?

So wouldn't these numbers also include self defense and police shootings?

Wasn't their some famous person who said there are liers, damn liers and statistics?

Jan

Aren't shootings by police or in self defense themselves indicators of gun violence? (Of course, we'd have to remember the NYPD shoots people for holding a wallet, but in general...)

So you think self defense is the same as murder?

And you think guns are animate objects?

Isn't changing the subject the way you always... oh never mind, try this instead, it actually sheds some light on which of you Yanks are doing what

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/11/14/gun-violence-significantly-increased-by-social-interactions

Jan

STRAWMAN arguments get you nowhere.

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champu

Then write, "I will not average rankings of non-independent statistics" 100 times on the blackboard.

Why are you attributing to me something that I didn't do?

Write 100 times on the board "I will not make false accusations".

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