States with most gun violence

[kallend 2,146]

Probably not what you think:

247wallst.com/special-report/2013/04/15/states-with-the-most-gun-violence/2/

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[bakerjan 0]

kallend

Probably not what you think:

247wallst.com/special-report/2013/04/15/states-with-the-most-gun-violence/2/

but these all refer to homicides, not murder, right?

So wouldn't these numbers also include self defense and police shootings?

Wasn't their some famous person who said there are liers, damn liers and statistics?

Jan

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[champu 1]

I was a little confused to see, for example, Arizona listed as 4th when the three major violence stats were ranked 13th, 16th, and 19th for that state.

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Based on data provided by the Center for American Progress [a progressive think tank that supports gun control], 24/7 Wall St. analyzed the 10 states with the most gun violence. These rankings were based on 10 different criteria, including 2010 firearm homicide deaths per 100,000 people and 2011 firearm-related aggravated assaults. Calculated by the Center, the average rank among all states for each criteria was used to determine the ranking.

Averaging rankings is dumb... here's a map of the actual report

[kallend 2,146]

champu

I was a little confused to see, for example, Arizona listed as 4th when the three major violence stats were ranked 13th, 16th, and 19th for that state.

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Based on data provided by the Center for American Progress [a progressive think tank that supports gun control], 24/7 Wall St. analyzed the 10 states with the most gun violence. These rankings were based on 10 different criteria, including 2010 firearm homicide deaths per 100,000 people and 2011 firearm-related aggravated assaults. Calculated by the Center, the average rank among all states for each criteria was used to determine the ranking.

Averaging rankings is dumb...

Yes.

How would YOU do it?

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[kelpdiver 2]

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Averaging rankings is dumb...

Yes.

How would YOU do it?

well, if they only saw 3 criteria worth noting, then you average on those 3. (or for the less lazy, add the actual numbers for those 3, do the division against population, and then reorder. It would take a computer a couple hundred milliseconds to accomplish)

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It would take a computer a couple hundred milliseconds to accomplish

AIN'T NO ONE GOT TIME FO DAT!!!

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[kallend 2,146]

bakerjan

***Probably not what you think:

247wallst.com/special-report/2013/04/15/states-with-the-most-gun-violence/2/

but these all refer to homicides, not murder, right?

So wouldn't these numbers also include self defense and police shootings?

Wasn't their some famous person who said there are liers, damn liers and statistics?

Jan

Aren't shootings by police or in self defense themselves indicators of gun violence? (Of course, we'd have to remember the NYPD shoots people for holding a wallet, but in general...)

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kallend

Aren't shootings by police or in self defense themselves indicators of gun violence?

Not necessarily. If a citizen is accosted by a thug with a knife and shoots him in self-defense, would you categorize that as knife violence or gun violence?

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

[normiss 892]

As much as you hate death, you're going to have to accept it at some point.

[kallend 2,146]

And ]THIS [/url] is about perception of the residents of cities, rather than violent crime rate.

While [url "http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/10/04/the-most-dangerous-states-in-america/2/">These are the states with the highest violent crime rates overall.

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[normiss 892]

Seems more like perception of URL's to me.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Lefty

***Aren't shootings by police or in self defense themselves indicators of gun violence?

Not necessarily. If a citizen is accosted by a thug with a knife and shoots him in self-defense, would you categorize that as knife violence or gun violence?

Wouldn't it be both?

Just because most would see the outcome as positive does not negate the fact it is violence.

[kallend 2,146]

Lefty

***Aren't shootings by police or in self defense themselves indicators of gun violence?

Not necessarily. If a citizen is accosted by a thug with a knife and shoots him in self-defense, would you categorize that as knife violence or gun violence?

Does the word "indicator" mean anything to you?

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bakerjan

***Probably not what you think:

247wallst.com/special-report/2013/04/15/states-with-the-most-gun-violence/2/

but these all refer to homicides, not murder, right?

So wouldn't these numbers also include self defense and police shootings?

Wasn't their some famous person who said there are liers, damn liers and statistics?

Jan

Will Rogers, IIRC.

[kallend 2,146]

normiss

As much as you hate death, you're going to have to accept it at some point.

www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/joelouis163459.html

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[kallend 2,146]

winsor

******Probably not what you think:

247wallst.com/special-report/2013/04/15/states-with-the-most-gun-violence/2/

but these all refer to homicides, not murder, right?

So wouldn't these numbers also include self defense and police shootings?

Wasn't their some famous person who said there are liers, damn liers and statistics?

Jan

Will Rogers, IIRC.

I think the word was "liars".

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[normiss 892]

False.

[rhaig 0]

kallend

While These are the states with the highest violent crime rates overall.

While it is not a state, it's interesting to note that DC beats out the number 1 on that list by more than a factor of two at 1,330.2 violent crimes per 100K population.

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Rob

[kelpdiver 2]

SkyDekker

Just because most would see the outcome as positive does not negate the fact it is violence.

if a cop or a citizen justifiably kill someone in self defense, yeah, I think you can record that as 'violence.' And of course have that subcategory for justifiable homicide.

I'm struggling a bit however, with calling it gun violence or knife violence, or taser violence. If the killing is justified, does it matter how it was done?

[kelpdiver 2]

rhaig

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While These are the states with the highest violent crime rates overall.

While it is not a state, it's interesting to note that DC beats out the number 1 on that list by more than a factor of two at 1,330.2 violent crimes per 100K population.

is the resident population of DC the appropriate figure to use? Between employees living in the surrounding states along with tourists, the effective population of DC is substantially higher.

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kallend

***As much as you hate death, you're going to have to accept it at some point.

www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/joelouis163459.html

"By my troth, I care not. A man can die but once. We owe God
a death."

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I'm struggling a bit however, with calling it gun violence or knife violence, or taser violence. If the killing is justified, does it matter how it was done?

Yes


Licking the knife after cutting out his liver during a justifiable homicide may indicate some other issues

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kelpdiver

is the resident population of DC the appropriate figure to use? Between employees living in the surrounding states along with tourists, the effective population of DC is substantially higher.

fair point. with the correlating question: how much of the crime in the 2010 UCR was against residents vs transients (employees and tourists)

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Rob

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kallend

Does the word "indicator" mean anything to you?

Can you have a discussion without acting like a small, silly man?

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin