More evidence that indicates liberals know they can’t win an election honestly

[kelpdiver 2]

rushmc

Or is it, you had nothing so you resorted to insulting anothers english???

When a helpful response to your poorly written statement, educating you on the differences, is met with a "I don't got to do nothin" response, you deserved to be mocked.

You're dismissed now...someone has stepped in who can honestly argue (part of) your viewpoint.

[jakee 1,595]

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denided HOW???

Denied by the authorities. Turns up at the polls with no prior notification that they would be unable to vote and gets denied.

Happens to one person. Does it corrupt the system?

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Answer me this
Do you think a qualified voter, who does not get a required voter id card and is turned away is a vote denied? (in the context of this debate)

I promise you I am not talking about voter ID right now. Cross my heart and pinky swear - if you answer my question I will not link it to voter ID requirements in any way.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

kelpdiver

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Or is it, you had nothing so you resorted to insulting anothers english???

When a helpful response to your poorly written statement, educating you on the differences, is met with a "I don't got to do nothin" response, you deserved to be mocked.

You're dismissed now...someone has stepped in who can honestly argue (part of) your viewpoint.

ah
a great teacher who thinks so highly of themselves
kallend, look out

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[airdvr 210]

Isn't it Liberalism at its best to take a topic like underhanded dealing of the Democrat Chicago election machine and turn it around to be Republican voter disenfranchisement. None of it matters if the government is cooking the books. You cry foul when the topic is intelligence prior to the 2nd Gulf War but look the other way when your own party attempts to pull the wool over our eyes with grand tales of muslim insulting videos and receding unemployment rates. You point your fingers at Haliburton but somehow manage to look the other way with Solyndra et.al. You look the other way as the IRS targets unfriendly conservative groups or the NSA is caught reading our e-mails and listening to our phone conversations. You pretend to be so concerned about the constitution and yet ignore the arrogance with which this administration has danced around congress.

What a bunch of hypocrites you all are.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[jakee 1,595]

Isn't it Conservatism at its worst to make a huge song and dance about Democrats cheating when you know that Republicans have been doing comparable things for years?

Everything you just said - turn it around and hey look, you're a hypocrite.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

airdvr

Isn't it Liberalism at its best to take a topic like underhanded dealing of the Democrat Chicago election machine and turn it around to be Republican voter disenfranchisement.

Did we all time warp back to the 19th Century? We're talking about now, where the GOP attempts at disenfranchisement are real and still going on. Machine politics is close to dead in this country - ended with Willie Brown in SF nearly a decade ago, is hanging on for dear life in Chicago, died long ago in NYC.

[davjohns 1]

Sometimes, you folks make me feel like Spock walking through a world of Oprahs. The emotional arguments are rampant. The logic has long since evaporated.

Arguing which party is more moral is like arguing which whore is most virginal.

Keeping a legitimate voter from voting is wrong. Casting a false vote cancels the vote of a legitimate voter and is equally wrong. Simple, reasonable checks to confirm vote authenticity would help both problems.

If you have a problem with reasonable checks on voting rights, please don't ever post anything about reasonable restrictions on second amendment rights.

Any purge of voter roles should happen immediately after an election to make sure there is time to get things straight before the next election. A purge before an election is automatically suspect and fraught with peril.

Arguing that any atttempts to prevent illegal votes is wrong suggests that you favor voter fraud.

There is a middle ground.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[rehmwa 2]

davjohns

Sometimes, you folks make me feel like Spock walking through a world of Oprahs. The emotional arguments are rampant. The logic has long since evaporated.

Arguing which party is more moral is like arguing which whore is most virginal.

Keeping a legitimate voter from voting is wrong. Casting a false vote cancels the vote of a legitimate voter and is equally wrong. Simple, reasonable checks to confirm vote authenticity would help both problems.

If you have a problem with reasonable checks on voting rights, please don't ever post anything about reasonable restrictions on second amendment rights.

Any purge of voter roles should happen immediately after an election to make sure there is time to get things straight before the next election. A purge before an election is automatically suspect and fraught with peril.

Arguing that any atttempts to prevent illegal votes is wrong suggests that you favor voter fraud.

There is a middle ground.

stop it, no one likes logic. you must hate puppies

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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If you have a problem with reasonable checks on voting rights, please don't ever post anything about reasonable restrictions on second amendment rights.

Cause whether or not something is reasonable is so easily determined.

Last time I saw numbers there didn't appear to be extremely biased, voter fraud simply didn't seem like it was rampant.

Gun violence on the other hand.... Well, let's not turn this into a gun thread, but I think we can agree the US has a bit of a problem with gun violence.

Lumping the two together like that seems dishonest.

[kallend 2,148]

davjohns

If you have a problem with reasonable checks on voting rights, please don't ever post anything about reasonable restrictions on second amendment rights.

So compare the number of proven vote fraud cases per year in the US with the number of proven gun fatalities (being shot dead is a serious denial of "inalienable rights") in the US per year, and ask yourself which is the more serious problem.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kelpdiver 2]

davjohns

If you have a problem with reasonable checks on voting rights, please don't ever post anything about reasonable restrictions on second amendment rights.

You'll have a hard time finding posts of mine supporting "reasonable" restrictions on gun rights. But Kallend and Skydekker are quite right to point out that the problems of voter fraud don't compare to the problems of violence.

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Any purge of voter roles should happen immediately after an election to make sure there is time to get things straight before the next election. A purge before an election is automatically suspect and fraught with peril.

Arguing that any atttempts to prevent illegal votes is wrong suggests that you favor voter fraud.

There is a middle ground.

Yes, if Florida was doing the purges then, I've already said that's an acceptable manner of controlling for the potential of dead people or felons voting. But that's not how it's been going down, because the GOP has been not very subtle about their true interests.

And the argument wasn't against any attempts to prevent illegal votes, it was against the actions that insiders already admitted had nothing to do with illegal votes, and everything to do with Democratic votes. I oppose on principle any actions that prevent more legal votes than fraudulent votes.

[davjohns 1]

Made me smile.

Reasonable restrictions on rights are reasonable restrictions on rights. I fully agree that the word 'reasonable' is the crux of the problem. However, some will argue that there should be none on voting rights, but many on second amendment rights. That cannot be the case.

Gun violence is a problem. Gun violence and second amendment rights, however, are not always linked. They are only clearly linked when you jump to the absolute of eliminating all firearms rights. That is clearly not reasonable.

Asking someone to identify themselves before they vote is clearly quite reasonable.

My point was that some here seem to want no restrictions on voting and many, or even absolute restrictions on firearms rights. Those two positions cannot be reconciled.

There is always middle ground.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[kallend 2,148]

davjohns

Made me smile.

Reasonable restrictions on rights are reasonable restrictions on rights. I fully agree that the word 'reasonable' is the crux of the problem. However, some will argue that there should be none on voting rights, but many on second amendment rights. That cannot be the case.

Gun violence is a problem. Gun violence and second amendment rights, however, are not always linked. They are only clearly linked when you jump to the absolute of eliminating all firearms rights. That is clearly not reasonable.

Asking someone to identify themselves before they vote is clearly quite reasonable.

My point was that some here seem to want no restrictions on voting and many, or even absolute restrictions on firearms rights. Those two positions cannot be reconciled.

There is always middle ground.

Do you believe there should be a national ID requirement?

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kallend

***Made me smile.

Reasonable restrictions on rights are reasonable restrictions on rights. I fully agree that the word 'reasonable' is the crux of the problem. However, some will argue that there should be none on voting rights, but many on second amendment rights. That cannot be the case.

Gun violence is a problem. Gun violence and second amendment rights, however, are not always linked. They are only clearly linked when you jump to the absolute of eliminating all firearms rights. That is clearly not reasonable.

Asking someone to identify themselves before they vote is clearly quite reasonable.

My point was that some here seem to want no restrictions on voting and many, or even absolute restrictions on firearms rights. Those two positions cannot be reconciled.

There is always middle ground.

Do you believe there should be a national ID requirement?

State.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[kelpdiver 2]

davjohns

My point was that some here seem to want no restrictions on voting and many, or even absolute restrictions on firearms rights. Those two positions cannot be reconciled.

I guess it was asking to much to expect a reply to my post when you first trumpeted out this dodge.

[davjohns 1]

Well...you fit well with a certain sub-section of this group. I didn't respond to your post when you wanted, so you posted a snide remark. A more logical person would have waited to confirm I even saw your post. But logic doesn't often prevail around here.

It is now Monday and I have read your post.

You say that voter fraud and violence do not compare. I didn't compare voter fraud and violence. I compared an infringement on basic rights and an infringement on basic rights.

However, I'll go a bit further. You say two other posters are right, but you give no argument for why they are right other than you agree. Again, a basic lack of logic or even facts.

Further, I didn't suggest anything about violence. You could see my remarks referencing firearms violence, but you have to come at it from your point of view exclusively to do so. Even then, you expanded beyond firearms violence to violence in general. A very emotional attempt to take the argument well past its original bounds.

Further, you can not logically compare the effects of voter fraud and violence of any nature. Violence, by its nature, leaves evidence. Law enforcement is well equipped to collect and catalgo this evidence. Fraud, by its very nature, leaves little evidence. Voter fraud is particularly good at leaving no evidence. So, a direct comparison is not possible.

So, you berate me for not seeing your post; you expand the argument to tangential effects of attacking my rights; you expand the effects further still for emotional impact; and you compare two things that are not comparable with facts.

Good job?

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[davjohns 1]

RobertMBlevins

I stopped as soon as I read THIS:

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'If I remember correctly many (including Rush Limbaugh) predicted...'

I wouldn't take Pain Killer Abuser and I'm A Radio Star's word that day was light and night was dark. Are you kidding? Get a legit source or don't bother. His credibility and motivations were exposed long ago.

He makes a living by trashing, and has staff to assist him in doing so.

I don't listen to the guy and am not a fan. But...if you are going to exclude everyone with a murky past, hidden agendas, an axe to grind, money to be made...what's left? Mass media?

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[rushmc 23]

RobertMBlevins

I stopped as soon as I read THIS:

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'If I remember correctly many (including Rush Limbaugh) predicted...'

I wouldn't take Pain Killer Abuser and I'm A Radio Star's word that day was light and night was dark. Are you kidding? Get a legit source or don't bother. His credibility and motivations were exposed long ago.

He makes a living by trashing, and has staff to assist him in doing so.

Exactly why I dont pay any attention to you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

***I stopped as soon as I read THIS:

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'If I remember correctly many (including Rush Limbaugh) predicted...'

I wouldn't take Pain Killer Abuser and I'm A Radio Star's word that day was light and night was dark. Are you kidding? Get a legit source or don't bother. His credibility and motivations were exposed long ago.

He makes a living by trashing, and has staff to assist him in doing so.

Exactly why I dont pay any attention to you

By replying to him, didn't you by definition pay attention to him?

[turtlespeed 226]

SkyDekker

******I stopped as soon as I read THIS:

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'If I remember correctly many (including Rush Limbaugh) predicted...'

I wouldn't take Pain Killer Abuser and I'm A Radio Star's word that day was light and night was dark. Are you kidding? Get a legit source or don't bother. His credibility and motivations were exposed long ago.

He makes a living by trashing, and has staff to assist him in doing so.

Exactly why I dont pay any attention to you

By replying to him, didn't you by definition pay attention to him?

DOH!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Stumpy 284]

SkyDekker

******I stopped as soon as I read THIS:

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'If I remember correctly many (including Rush Limbaugh) predicted...'

I wouldn't take Pain Killer Abuser and I'm A Radio Star's word that day was light and night was dark. Are you kidding? Get a legit source or don't bother. His credibility and motivations were exposed long ago.

He makes a living by trashing, and has staff to assist him in doing so.

Exactly why I dont pay any attention to you

By replying to him, didn't you by definition pay attention to him?

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[kelpdiver 2]

davjohns

You say that voter fraud and violence do not compare. I didn't compare voter fraud and violence. I compared an infringement on basic rights and an infringement on basic rights.

And you get it backwards. The "voter id" type laws and actions are the infringement on basic rights. The spectre of voter fraud is exactly that, a made up bogeyman to justify the acts. And that's why it doesn't compare to the issue of guns, which has thousands of annual deaths associated with it.

No, I don't see it justifying intrusions against the 2nd. But I accept that it is a real problem to think about, whereas the voting discussion is ignoring the real problems entirely.

That was a lot of gymnastics on your point to justify the dodge. Good stuff.

[rehmwa 2]

kelpdiver

That was a lot of gymnastics on your point to justify the dodge. Good stuff.

IMHO - there's a few sincere people here that don't warrant jabs like that. You're one of them, Wendy, lawrocket, normiss, etc....

I think DavJohns is also one of them. Maybe if we practice rational discourse with each other for a while the habit might set in and infect the others....

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[kelpdiver 2]

rehmwa

I think DavJohns is also one of them. Maybe if we practice rational discourse with each other for a while the habit might set in and infect the others....

I can try. But the "i didn't see your response each time" line didn't sit well with me. Nor does the generic argument 'it's funny how people here support X but not Y which is really similar- LO! Hypocrisy!' This works with specific names, it falters badly otherwise.

[rehmwa 2]

yeah, each of us goes off once in a while

But there's a big crew where it happens each post. I've been done with them for a long time.

For the rest, I believe they are sincere in the motivations of their positions whether I agree or not. They get the benefit of the doubt - It's REALLY difficult with my cynicism, but I'm trying.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants