More evidence that indicates liberals know they can’t win an election honestly

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

******
Sorry
I do not need to do anything

Indeed. As a member of the party that doesn't need to know science, you now asset that you don't really need to know English either. This stance may help win a little more love from recent immigrants who also struggle with our language.

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ONE vote falsified corrupts the system

If that's your belief, than how bad is it to deny 100 people the right to vote (voter poll purges)? Wouldn't that be 100x as corrupting? Florida tried to knock out thousands of legal voters. A true affront to democracy, and you're crying about one vote? (yet not any of those)

Or are we just being petty and foolish, given that voting devices may incorrectly count 0.5 to 1% of its votes, and electronic machines remain laughable hackable by even the script kiddies. This represents a far greater problem.

Ooooooo
Now slamin the group

I must have struck a nerve

How about answering his points?

You remind me of one of those Asian girls who just giggle when they have no clue whats going on.

[rehmwa 2]

SkyDekker

You remind me of one of those Asian girls who just giggle when they have no clue whats going on.

the laughing and giggling thing is a very normal cultural thing, especially in SE asian countries

can you try to get in your stock insults to other posters without insulting entire cultures please?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rehmwa

***You remind me of one of those Asian girls who just giggle when they have no clue whats going on.

the laughing and giggling thing is a very normal cultural thing, especially in SE asian countries

can you try to get in your stock insults to other posters without insulting entire cultures please?

Oh I know, spent quite a bit of time in south east Asia. Even have Thai cousins.

Wasn't an insult on an entire culture. You would have to be extremely politically correct to assume that.....or just a little biased against the person you are responding to.

Rush does have a tendency to throw in a squinty eyed yellow laughing emoticon when he doesn't know what else to say. The emoticon reminds me of what I said. I am very, very, very, very, very sorry if that offends you.

[rehmwa 2]

SkyDekker

You would have to be extremely politically correct to assume that.....

I'm practicing. It's very exhausting, I don't know how so many people can keep up the act so intensively.

(insert laughing "gender/race/religion/origin neutral" emoticon replacement symbol here)

But, YOU ARE RIGHT, I'm so insensitive that I never ever noticed how incredibly racist emoticons are. How about that? Sangiro and the moderators have a lot to answer for.

for the children

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rushmc 23]

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As a member of the party that doesn't need to know science, you now asset that you don't really need to know English either. This stance may help win a little more love from recent immigrants who also struggle with our language.

answering anyone who starts out like this is not going to happen

Had the reply been the other pharagragh then yes

Gotta show respect to get it

and you dont want to know what you remind me of

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,595]

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I must have struck a nerve

In other words, he just owned you and you have no response.

Lets try it a little more simply - if one vote falsified corrupts the system does one legitimate vote denied corrupt the system?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

jakee

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I must have struck a nerve

In other words, he just owned you and you have no response.

Lets try it a little more simply - if one vote falsified corrupts the system does one legitimate vote denied corrupt the system?

Use any works you like
You'd stll be wrong

Denied how?
By verifying who you are and where you live?
Or are you refering to a Black Panther standing outside a polling place intimidating voters?

If the first, it would be your own damn fault
But it seems the second way is aceptable so why not the first?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

SkyDekker

You remind me of one of those Asian girls who just giggle when they have no clue whats going on.

but they're easier on the eyes.

Wish Rush all the luck you can so he can figure a way out of this hole. Right now I'm reminded of 'It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.'

[rushmc 23]

kelpdiver

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You remind me of one of those Asian girls who just giggle when they have no clue whats going on.

but they're easier on the eyes.

Wish Rush all the luck you can so he can figure a way out of this hole. Right now I'm reminded of 'It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.'

I'm in a hole?
Ok

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

rushmc

I'm in a hole?
Ok

You're so far in the hole, you have no fucking idea where to go. So you've had to resort to defending your right to not use English properly, and then protest being held accountable for that silliness.

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kelpdiver

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I'm in a hole?
Ok

You're so far in the hole, you have no fucking idea where to go. So you've had to resort to defending your right to not use English properly, and then protest being held accountable for that silliness.

Or is it, you had nothing so you resorted to insulting anothers english???

Yep
I am in a hole, gotcha

or it is

I dont give a fuck what you thnk about my english

Hmmm
Gotta think on that one

But you can post insulting replies, and I will ignore you again

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,595]

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Use any works you like

I think my statement works already.

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Denied how?

Denied. Not permitted. Ixnay.

One vote, does it corrupt the system?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

jakee

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Use any works you like

I think my statement works already.

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Denied how?

Denied. Not permitted. Ixnay.

One vote, does it corrupt the system?

Not that simple

If they cant vote because they do not have an ID
It is self denied and they can live with it
And we are talking about voter ID cards and the lie that this is somehow voter surpression, shich of course, it is not

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,595]

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Not that simple

Make it that simple. Corruption, yes or no?

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And we are talking about voter ID cards

Nope, not talking about that.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

jakee

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Not that simple

Make it that simple. Corruption, yes or no?

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And we are talking about voter ID cards

Nope, not talking about that.

Then what are you talking about?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,595]

Denial of one legitimate vote. Does it corrupt the system?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Stumpy 284]

jakee

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Not that simple

Make it that simple. Corruption, yes or no?

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And we are talking about voter ID cards

Nope, not talking about that.

You are on a hiding to nothing asking rushmc a direct question I am afraid. He's incapable of answering them.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[rushmc 23]

jakee

Denial of one legitimate vote. Does it corrupt the system?

Again, you need to be more clear and less crypitic

Denial how?

You see, I am not going to answer a genral trap type question

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Stumpy

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Not that simple

Make it that simple. Corruption, yes or no?

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And we are talking about voter ID cards

Nope, not talking about that.

You are on a hiding to nothing asking rushmc a direct question I am afraid. He's incapable of answering them.

I can answer a question
He need only be a bit more specific so I have a question to answer

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,595]

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Again, you need to be more clear and less crypitic

It is as clear as it can be. An eligible voter being denied the ability to vote.

You needed no prompting to make a definite statement that any falsified vote, no matter how it happens, is corrupt. What is the problem with making a definite statement on the other side of the coin?

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You see, I am not going to answer a genral trap type question

If it is a trap then it is entirely of your own making. You know you can't answer "No", because that would be hypocritical. And you know that if you answer "Yes" and I have an example of Republican led voter disenfranchisement then your overly partisan thread title will come back and bite you in the arse.

So what will you do, be honest or save face?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rehmwa 2]

jakee

Denial of one legitimate vote. Does it corrupt the system?

an illegitimate vote = denial of the legitimate vote it cancels, therefore, he must say 'yes' it does (I don't see why Rush is avoiding your question)

the real question is which is bigger? the alpha error, or the beta error

You guys are talking about indirect disenfranchisements - you are making an assumption that voter ID will result in disenfranchisement and there is no way to get around that - that's several intermediate steps to get to your disenfranchisement of a legal voter.

While illegal voting is direct - one step to disenfranchisement of a legal voter.

I'm more interested in these direct disenfranchisements - like disallowing write in votes from legal voting military members, direct fraud in counting, ballot box stuffing, voter intimidation, dead people voting, felons voting, etc etc etc

an illegal vote is direct, no doubt about it - if you don't fix it with ID, what is your alternate recommendation that would address it? How do we fix that problem in an acceptable way?

IMO - anyone that's obtusely unwilling to try and answer that last question clearly has an agenda that desires illegal voting. And, frankly, there must be a solution that would minimize illegal voting AND improve legal voting. Most all of the anti-ID arguments are bunk and just rationalizations by those that gain from illegal voting. Even so, constructive feedback would be to offer an alternative, not just fighting it......if they were 'truly' sincere.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rushmc 23]

jakee

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Again, you need to be more clear and less crypitic

It is as clear as it can be. An eligible voter being denied the ability to vote.denided HOW???

You needed no prompting to make a definite statement that any falsified vote, no matter how it happens, is corrupt. What is the problem with making a definite statement on the other side of the coin?sure, I can agree in general but, the context of this discussion was liad out by kelp.

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You see, I am not going to answer a genral trap type question

If it is a trap then it is entirely of your own making. You know you can't answer "No", because that would be hypocritical. And you know that if you answer "Yes" and I have an example of Republican led voter disenfranchisement then your overly partisan thread title will come back and bite you in the arse.

So what will you do, be honest or save face?

Of course the answer is not NO
But, it is not as black and white as you think it might be

Give me a senario
Until then, You have NO question that can be reasonalby answered


Answer me this
Do you think a qualified voter, who does not get a required voter id card and is turned away is a vote denied? (in the context of this debate)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

lol a falsified vote is corrupt. No Scenario needed.

A denied vote...well, now we need scenarios.

dance in circles....

[jakee 1,595]

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I don't see why Rush is avoiding your question

I do.

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You guys are talking about indirect disenfranchisements - you are making an assumption that voter ID will result in disenfranchisement and there is no way to get around that

Nope, not me.

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I'm more interested in these direct disenfranchisements - like disallowing write in votes from legal voting military members, direct fraud in counting, ballot box stuffing, voter intimidation, dead people voting, felons voting, etc etc etc

That's getting closer

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

rehmwa

the real question is which is bigger? the alpha error, or the beta error

You guys are talking about indirect disenfranchisements - you are making an assumption that voter ID will result in disenfranchisement and there is no way to get around that - that's several intermediate steps to get to your disenfranchisement of a legal voter.

(thank god - intelligent discourse! Praise the Lard!)

The most obvious example I spoke to is the voter poll purges, for example the one Florida wished to do in between the primary and general elections in 2012. It includes hundreds (or was it thousands) of legitimate voters who now had to 1) figure out it happened and 2) figure out how to get it undone in time in order to vote for President.

When the purge process was plotted out, they intentionally chose very broad criteria knowing that it would have a high false rate of false positives. If a single vote is sacred, then this is high treason. An acceptable modification to me is to make these purges 6 months in advance of the primary election. If someone is disenfranchised for the primaries, it is unfortunate, but mitigated by the fact that this is the election to pick candidates for the election, and that they should have had redress time. It does require proper notification to be sent, and a clear and orderly appeals route.

On the photo id side, you can make the argument that civic duty should compel people to get off their asses and get that free ID, and that for most of these people, their time isn't worth that much. It's not a terrible argument. But there's little question that the end result will be lost votes, and with little doubt, votes that slant towards the Democrats. Again, if one false vote is a travesty, this isn't a defensible result, since the lost vote greatly exceeds any WAG on false votes cast.