More evidence that indicates liberals know they can’t win an election honestly

[rushmc 23]

davjohns

I have no reason to believe that someone from one political perspective is more or less likely to commit voter fraud than someone from another political perspective. Each party likes to pretend it has a lock on virtue. I can't tell that either has any virtue.

I do think it is reasonable to have someone show a free, government issued, picture ID when they vote.

If early voting seems to favor one party over another, one of the parties isn't getting their people out to vote early. Get over it.

I think if we are going to have mobile polling stations going into neighborhoods, we need to have them going everywhere. If we are going to give voters a free bus ride to the polls, we should give everyone a free ride to the polls. Every vote is equally important. Don't give some a preference.

Pretty simple, really.

And the gerrymandering thing? Popular vote rules. Get rid of the Electoral College, districting, etc. Majority rule. Saves money and settles the issue.

Well, I do not agree with a couple of things but overall you make good points

Know this however, I think kelp thinks voter ID's is democrat voter restrictive

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,589]

Thank you for this post.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[DanG 1]

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The source has a name and has offered to bring his documentation to any hearing congress asks him to

Is that name in some follow-up article? The article you posted doesn't name the source, only the accused.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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The source has a name and has offered to bring his documentation to any hearing congress asks him to

Is that name in some follow-up article? The article you posted doesn't name the source, only the accused.

I have read and heard the name is different reports
I will see if I can find it again

Again, the person making the claim is still not known
But the person he claims made the changes is
Documentation is also claimed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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I have read and heard the name is different reports
I will see if I can find it again

Again, the person making the claim is still not known
But the person he claims made the changes is
Documentation is also claimed

Your two paragraphs are mutually exclusive. Either the name of the person making the claim is known or it is not.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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I have read and heard the name is different reports
I will see if I can find it again

Again, the person making the claim is still not known
But the person he claims made the changes is
Documentation is also claimed

Your two paragraphs are mutually exclusive. Either the name of the person making the claim is known or it is not.

Let me rephrase
The person making the acusations is not yet known
This person claims to have documentation

The name of the person acused of making changes of the data is known

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/11/19/five-questions-about-the-new-york-posts-unemployment-story/

More details here

http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/new-york-post-claims-census-falsifies-unemployment-figures-5436

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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The person making the acusations is not yet known
This person claims to have documentation

Right. So we currently have a reporter from the NY Post claiming he knows some guy and has proof, but he won't name the guy or produce any proof. I'm not saying the claim isn't true, but it's pretty flimsy at this point.

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The name of the person acused of making changes of the data is known

Yes, the name of someone accused of faking employment data in 2010, two years before the election, is known.

- Dan G

[kallend 2,150]

rushmc

***So how do you explain away the gerrymandered congressional districts that allowed the GOP to win the majority of seats in the House while having over 1 MILLION fewer votes than the Dems in the House elections?

Really??
You want to go here?

Gerrymandering has been going on for decades yet NOW you blame this?


So you admit that the title you gave the thread is dishonest, and it should have read:

"More evidence that indicates politicians of both parties know they can’t win an election honestly

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jakee 1,596]

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The person making the acusations is not yet known

So the source does not have a name.



(Except in the general sense that everyone has a name - hell, I've got a name and you've got a name, but that doesn't make us credible sources of inside information.)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

jakee

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The person making the acusations is not yet known

So the source does not have a name.



(Except in the general sense that everyone has a name - hell, I've got a name and you've got a name, but that doesn't make us credible sources of inside information.)

The source has agreed to testify to congress

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,596]

rushmc

The source has agreed to testify to congress

is willing to talk with the Labor Department and Congress if asked.

Not exactly the same thing.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[airdvr 210]

jakee

***The source has agreed to testify to congress

is willing to talk with the Labor Department and Congress if asked.

Not exactly the same thing.

Wow..you really see a difference there? How many people do you think have testified who haven't been asked?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[jakee 1,596]

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Wow..you really see a difference there?

You don't? Are you being deliberately obtuse or just naive?

First, he has not agreed to testify because he has not been asked. An agreement cannot exist with only one party involved. He does not have an agreement with a second party therefore he has not agreed to testify to anyone.

Second, a statement of willingness to cooperate when no-one's asking is not the same as cooperating when they do ask. Anyone can play the big shot when nothing's on the line. See the Lance Armstrong saga as an example "I'll cooperate with any inquiry into drug use... except that one, or that one, or any of the ones I'm asked to cooperate with..."

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

rushmc

Know this however, I think kelp thinks voter ID's is democrat voter restrictive

Rush, you need to take care to capitalize democrat when appropriate.

democratic in lower case refers to a method of popular selection in making a decision.
Democratic or Democrat in upper case refers to a member or advocate of the American political party by that name.

Same for republican and Republican.

With the lower case use, yes, I agree with your statement. The laws are intentionally restricting democracy.

There's no question of the intent behind 'voter ID' styled legislation being driven by the GOP party and the national and state levels. Its own members have owned up to the intent to discourage voter participation in the [quite valid] belief that the restrictions will more greatly affect poorer voters that don't tend to vote Republican.

There's also little question that the scope of the false positives that would lose their voting rights greatly exceeds the amount of voter fraud, by at least two orders of magnitude. IOW, for every bad vote that it would prevent, it killed 100 good votes.

[kelpdiver 2]

davjohns

And the gerrymandering thing? Popular vote rules. Get rid of the Electoral College, districting, etc. Majority rule. Saves money and settles the issue.

Gerrymandering has no impact on the EC and the Presidential election. Votes are collated at the state level. If a state does elect to assign EC votes by district (two tiny states do, I believe), then it could, but at the moment it's not really in play.

Gerrymandering can distort the House representation, and is frequently used to kill one or two opposition Members by taking away their voting base. But again, it is mostly used to maintain the status quo.

[rushmc 23]

kelpdiver

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Know this however, I think kelp thinks voter ID's is democrat voter restrictive

Rush, you need to take care to capitalize democrat when appropriate.

democratic in lower case refers to a method of popular selection in making a decision.
Democratic or Democrat in upper case refers to a member or advocate of the American political party by that name.

Same for republican and Republican.

With the lower case use, yes, I agree with your statement. The laws are intentionally restricting democracy.

There's no question of the intent behind 'voter ID' styled legislation being driven by the GOP party and the national and state levels. Its own members have owned up to the intent to discourage voter participation in the [quite valid] belief that the restrictions will more greatly affect poorer voters that don't tend to vote Republican.

There's also little question that the scope of the false positives that would lose their voting rights greatly exceeds the amount of voter fraud, by at least two orders of magnitude. IOW, for every bad vote that it would prevent, it killed 100 good votes.

Sorry
I do not need to do anything

And you are also wrong about voter ID cards
Both parties have the same opportunity to get it
protecting the vote is getting more important every cycle

ONE vote falsified corrupts the system

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,589]

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ONE vote falsified corrupts the system

And how many votes is it OK to make more difficult?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

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ONE vote falsified corrupts the system

And how many votes is it OK to make more difficult?

Wendy P.

All of them

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[LyraM45 0]

davjohns

I have no reason to believe that someone from one political perspective is more or less likely to commit voter fraud than someone from another political perspective. Each party likes to pretend it has a lock on virtue. I can't tell that either has any virtue.

I do think it is reasonable to have someone show a free, government issued, picture ID when they vote.

If early voting seems to favor one party over another, one of the parties isn't getting their people out to vote early. Get over it.

I think if we are going to have mobile polling stations going into neighborhoods, we need to have them going everywhere. If we are going to give voters a free bus ride to the polls, we should give everyone a free ride to the polls. Every vote is equally important. Don't give some a preference.

Pretty simple, really.

And the gerrymandering thing? Popular vote rules. Get rid of the Electoral College, districting, etc. Majority rule. Saves money and settles the issue.

You've had some great posts in this thread! Thanks for those! :)

Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)

[tkhayes 348]

Fucking puh-lease...... you are saying that the Democrats won the White House TWICE because of fudged unemployment numbers? And nothing to do with bat-shit crazy right-wingers on the other side?

wow, a new low and a new stretch. Well I guess then we better keep fudging those numbers so we keep winning and you can keep standing there with your jaw on the floor wondering what happened and blaming it on unemployment numbers.....got it.

We used to wonder why the right wing seemingly did not 'get it'. You have just confirmed why the right-wing does not get it.

[kelpdiver 2]

rushmc

Sorry
I do not need to do anything

Indeed. As a member of the party that doesn't need to know science, you now asset that you don't really need to know English either. This stance may help win a little more love from recent immigrants who also struggle with our language.

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ONE vote falsified corrupts the system

If that's your belief, than how bad is it to deny 100 people the right to vote (voter poll purges)? Wouldn't that be 100x as corrupting? Florida tried to knock out thousands of legal voters. A true affront to democracy, and you're crying about one vote? (yet not any of those)

Or are we just being petty and foolish, given that voting devices may incorrectly count 0.5 to 1% of its votes, and electronic machines remain laughable hackable by even the script kiddies. This represents a far greater problem.

[davjohns 1]

kelpdiver

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And the gerrymandering thing? Popular vote rules. Get rid of the Electoral College, districting, etc. Majority rule. Saves money and settles the issue.

Gerrymandering has no impact on the EC and the Presidential election. Votes are collated at the state level. If a state does elect to assign EC votes by district (two tiny states do, I believe), then it could, but at the moment it's not really in play.

I know. It's just a related issue that also thwarts majority rule.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[rushmc 23]

kelpdiver

***
Sorry
I do not need to do anything

Indeed. As a member of the party that doesn't need to know science, you now asset that you don't really need to know English either. This stance may help win a little more love from recent immigrants who also struggle with our language.

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ONE vote falsified corrupts the system

If that's your belief, than how bad is it to deny 100 people the right to vote (voter poll purges)? Wouldn't that be 100x as corrupting? Florida tried to knock out thousands of legal voters. A true affront to democracy, and you're crying about one vote? (yet not any of those)

Or are we just being petty and foolish, given that voting devices may incorrectly count 0.5 to 1% of its votes, and electronic machines remain laughable hackable by even the script kiddies. This represents a far greater problem.

Ooooooo
Now slamin the group

I must have struck a nerve

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

tkhayes

Fucking puh-lease...... you are saying that the Democrats won the White House TWICE because of fudged unemployment numbers? And nothing to do with bat-shit crazy right-wingers on the other side?

wow, a new low and a new stretch. Well I guess then we better keep fudging those numbers so we keep winning and you can keep standing there with your jaw on the floor wondering what happened and blaming it on unemployment numbers.....got it.

We used to wonder why the right wing seemingly did not 'get it'. You have just confirmed why the right-wing does not get it.

I dont know about the first one
But we know the lies they used today for the second run
and they are doosies
Looks like the dems were not taking any chances

But, it seems that for lefties, the ends justifies the means
I guess, I would prefer being truthful and let the voters (legal voters) sort it out

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln