More evidence that indicates liberals know they can’t win an election honestly

[wmw999 2,589]

You're going to have to come to terms with the fact that someone intelligent can disagree honestly with you, based on the information that's out there. I don't think I could present enough information for you to take to some of my opinions, and I don't think you could present enough information for me to take to some of yours.

Why?

Because none of that information lives in a vacuum. There's a context for all of it, and we all interpret that context, and the other information around it, differently.

Why do you think that jurors who have just watched the same trial, with the same rules, can come up with different verdicts on the first vote? It's not that some of them are stupid, it's that everyone interprets information in their world. And it's OK, really.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

You're going to have to come to terms with the fact that someone intelligent can disagree honestly with you, based on the information that's out there. I don't think I could present enough information for you to take to some of my opinions, and I don't think you could present enough information for me to take to some of yours.

Why?

Because none of that information lives in a vacuum. There's a context for all of it, and we all interpret that context, and the other information around it, differently.

Why do you think that jurors who have just watched the same trial, with the same rules, can come up with different verdicts on the first vote? It's not that some of them are stupid, it's that everyone interprets information in their world. And it's OK, really.

Wendy P.

I understand that people disagree
I have no problem with that
I do not call people uneducated or stupid just because they do disagree with me like liberals do!

BUT, ANYONE who states the Obama was honest in his Obamacare claims during the election needs to buy some of the ocean front propety I have in AZ
Anyone who thinks fudging official stats to help a canidate during an election is a truthful person. And they are being less than honest with themselves

A family of 4 will save $2500 a year on HC costs

How about this BIG one
If you like your health care plan, you can keep it! Period!

How about singling out specific political groups with IRS attacks?

How about not letting congress talk to Bengazi survivors?

How come Holder STILL will not provide fast and furious docs and just lost another apeal trying to do this?

How about just re-righting a law and delaying the employer mandate?

He also lost the Labor Relations Board apointment he tried to do illegally


Obama lied about the first ACA enrollee we find out today

He is on tape stating he thinks Obamacare is a good step toward the ultimate goal of single payer

Oh
And let us not forget we would have the most transparent government ever, the country would unite and other countries would love us

Yep
the info is out there allright

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[grimmie 186]

rushmc

Bush messed up?

You are a child of the main stream media and drive by reporters for sure

(anyway, I think that is some of what you posted in the reply)

No, you're crying that Obama doesn't get treated in the media the way Bush or Romney were. That's a joke.

The media helped GWB in his run up to a senseless war and lead the pom pom cheers for his administration.

He took 1,020 days off and the media turned a blind eye. He golfed a lot while soldiers were dying for nothing.

And the whopper Colin Powell told and got a pass on from the media. What about that?

Carry on...

[rushmc 23]

grimmie

***Bush messed up?

You are a child of the main stream media and drive by reporters for sure

(anyway, I think that is some of what you posted in the reply)

No, you're crying that Obama doesn't get treated in the media the way Bush or Romney were. That's a joke.

The media helped GWB in his run up to a senseless war and lead the pom pom cheers for his administration.

He took 1,020 days off and the media turned a blind eye. He golfed a lot while soldiers were dying for nothing.

And the whopper Colin Powell told and got a pass on from the media. What about that?

Carry on...

No, it is NOT a joke
Bush and Powell may have had bad intel (the jury is still out IMO)

And you may want to take a look at how many have died during Obama's watch
Oh wait, the lame stream press does not report that
Hmmm, maybe they didnt during the Bush admin either

No
We have not seen lies anything like what has been coming at us for years now
and the media knew it all along
Again
expand your info sources
You need it badly

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

rushmc

If Bush had gone to a similar church as Obama (preaching topics and style) Do you think the media would have not reported it?

How about if Bush or Romney had a friend the likes of Bill Aires? How about that?

How hard did the media look and bribe to get Bush's grades and other college info? Doing any of that for Barry?

Also, the low information voters do not go to blogs or veiw cable news. IF they get any news at all it is from the likes of CBS, NBC, Public TV or ABC. All just as supportive of Bush and Romney as Obama, right?

These are just a couple that quickly come to mind
Please, join the us in the real world

That the real world where Fox News enjoys the highest viewership ratings? Roughly 3/4ths of Americans get cable or satellite TV, of which nearly all will get at least CNN and Fox. This would be the same real world in which we all heard about Aires and his church (the Christian one, not the top secret Muslim one) and birth certificate nonsense and this complete non issue about grades.

(I think someone else already covered low information voters and Fox, and there have been more than a few studies on the subject).

STILL waiting for an example of the Democrats hosing elections, and the media protecting their back. I suspect I'll need to wait until a Gay Republican wins the White House.

[rushmc 23]

kelpdiver

***
If Bush had gone to a similar church as Obama (preaching topics and style) Do you think the media would have not reported it?

How about if Bush or Romney had a friend the likes of Bill Aires? How about that?

How hard did the media look and bribe to get Bush's grades and other college info? Doing any of that for Barry?

Also, the low information voters do not go to blogs or veiw cable news. IF they get any news at all it is from the likes of CBS, NBC, Public TV or ABC. All just as supportive of Bush and Romney as Obama, right?

These are just a couple that quickly come to mind
Please, join the us in the real world

That the real world where Fox News enjoys the highest viewership ratings? Roughly 3/4ths of Americans get cable or satellite TV, of which nearly all will get at least CNN and Fox. This would be the same real world in which we all heard about Aires and his church (the Christian one, not the top secret Muslim one) and birth certificate nonsense and this complete non issue about grades.

(I think someone else already covered low information voters and Fox, and there have been more than a few studies on the subject).

STILL waiting for an example of the Democrats hosing elections, and the media protecting their back. I suspect I'll need to wait until a Gay Republican wins the White House.
Hosing an election?

I just said they cant win one by being honest about themselves and that they will fudge official gov numbers to support thier cause

BTW, why do you hate gays?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

still waiting...or is this tacit acceptance that this is primary a GOP game these days?

[rushmc 23]

kelpdiver

still waiting...or is this tacit acceptance that this is primary a GOP game these days?

I hope you are not holding your breath

but, you can stomp your feet if you want too

In the mean time, see if you can find out what I really said instead of what you are making up here

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

rushmc

In the mean time, see if you can find out what I really said instead of what you are making up here

might want to re-read #9.

[grimmie 186]

rushmc

******Bush messed up?

You are a child of the main stream media and drive by reporters for sure

(anyway, I think that is some of what you posted in the reply)

No, you're crying that Obama doesn't get treated in the media the way Bush or Romney were. That's a joke.

The media helped GWB in his run up to a senseless war and lead the pom pom cheers for his administration.

He took 1,020 days off and the media turned a blind eye. He golfed a lot while soldiers were dying for nothing.

And the whopper Colin Powell told and got a pass on from the media. What about that?

Carry on...

No, it is NOT a joke
Bush and Powell may have had bad intel (the jury is still out IMO)

And you may want to take a look at how many have died during Obama's watch
Oh wait, the lame stream press does not report that
Hmmm, maybe they didnt during the Bush admin either

No
We have not seen lies anything like what has been coming at us for years now
and the media knew it all along
Again
expand your info sources
You need it badly

Well, actually...
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/On_Bended_Knee.html

[grimmie 186]

And then there was the media softball coverage of this...
http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html

[grimmie 186]

Bush and Powell may have has bad intel, the jury is still out.


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/leadup-iraq-war-timeline

[Stumpy 284]

rushmc

BUT, ANYONE who states the Obama was honest in his Obamacare claims during the election needs to buy some of the ocean front propety I have in AZ
Anyone who thinks fudging official stats to help a canidate during an election is a truthful person. And they are being less than honest with themselves

Please give us an example when ANY politician has been entirely honest during their campaign ever.

Hint - Romney wasn't it.
Its a level playing field whether you like the incumbent or not.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[wmw999 2,589]

Jimmy Carter said that he lusted after a woman in his heart.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[jakee 1,596]

rushmc

***You're going to have to come to terms with the fact that someone intelligent can disagree honestly with you, based on the information that's out there. I don't think I could present enough information for you to take to some of my opinions, and I don't think you could present enough information for me to take to some of yours.

Why?

Because none of that information lives in a vacuum. There's a context for all of it, and we all interpret that context, and the other information around it, differently.

Why do you think that jurors who have just watched the same trial, with the same rules, can come up with different verdicts on the first vote? It's not that some of them are stupid, it's that everyone interprets information in their world. And it's OK, really.

Wendy P.

I understand that people disagree
I have no problem with that
I do not call people uneducated or stupid just because they do disagree with me like liberals do!

Oh no, you just say that they don't take in any information - which is obviously completely different.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[funjumper101 15]

grimmie

Bush and Powell may have has bad intel, the jury is still out.


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/leadup-iraq-war-timeline

The information you provide is factual and accurate.

As it conflicts with the RWC fictional version of history, the 'tards will

1. Not read the links in full
2. Post links to their version of the facts
3. Call you names like "liberal" and "elitist" as though those were bad personality traits.

No amount of facts or reason can sway the beliefs of an RWC. Once the beliefs have taken root, it doesn't matter how ridiculous the belief are, and how easy it is to prove the beliefs wrong. The beliefs are the truth, no matter what the facts are.

The RWC mantra is "Don't confuse me with the facts!!! My mind is made up."

[airdvr 210]

Stumpy

***
BUT, ANYONE who states the Obama was honest in his Obamacare claims during the election needs to buy some of the ocean front propety I have in AZ
Anyone who thinks fudging official stats to help a canidate during an election is a truthful person. And they are being less than honest with themselves

Please give us an example when ANY politician has been entirely honest during their campaign ever.

Hint - Romney wasn't it.
Its a level playing field whether you like the incumbent or not.

Dishonest is one thing. Manipulating the reports from the Labor Bureau is a bit more than that. Combined with the adminstration's attempt to paint Benghazi as the reaction to a video shows the willingness days before the election, to do anything to win . I'd say he's now right up there with Nixon...maybe even worse.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Stumpy 284]

airdvr

Dishonest is one thing. Manipulating the reports from the Labor Bureau is a bit more than that.

Thats true - however one report from just about the least honest and credible news source out there does not a scandal make, no matter how much the GOP might want it to.

ETA - Statement from Census Bureau:
"The Census Bureau takes allegations of fraud by its employees very seriously. Fabrication of data by an employee is grounds for disciplinary action, including dismissal and possible criminal action.
We have no reason to believe that there was a systematic manipulation of the data described in media reports. As a statistical agency, the Census Bureau is very conscientious about our responsibility to produce accurate Current Population Survey data for the Bureau of Labor Statistics and all other surveys we conduct. We carefully cross check and verify the work of our staff to ensure the data's validity, including random quality control monitoring. That monitoring process includes reinterviewing respondents, and rechecking the data an employee has submitted, looking for red flags that indicate possible fabrication, such as abnormally short lengths of interviews or higher survey completion rates that are out of sync with normal survey collection productivity levels.

That is why when we learned of the allegations of fabricated Current Population survey results, we immediately reported them to the Office of the Inspector General."

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I'd say he's now right up there with Nixon...maybe even worse.

Of course you would. Doesn't make it true.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[turtlespeed 226]

jakee

******You're going to have to come to terms with the fact that someone intelligent can disagree honestly with you, based on the information that's out there. I don't think I could present enough information for you to take to some of my opinions, and I don't think you could present enough information for me to take to some of yours.

Why?

Because none of that information lives in a vacuum. There's a context for all of it, and we all interpret that context, and the other information around it, differently.

Why do you think that jurors who have just watched the same trial, with the same rules, can come up with different verdicts on the first vote? It's not that some of them are stupid, it's that everyone interprets information in their world. And it's OK, really.

Wendy P.

I understand that people disagree
I have no problem with that
I do not call people uneducated or stupid just because they do disagree with me like liberals do!

Oh no, you just say that they don't take in any information - which is obviously completely different.

Being intelligent and being ignorant are not mutually exclusive.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rhaig 0]

funjumper101

The information you provide is factual and accurate.

As it conflicts with the RWC fictional version of history, the 'tards ....

you might have had good information. Maybe even a persuasive point. You can probably even spell better than me. However, using silly names like that just makes me skip the rest. I don't care if it was "libtards" or "republitards" you lost me at name calling.

--
Rob

[airdvr 210]

Stumpy

Of course you would. Doesn't make it true.

The jobless rate unexpectedly dropped to 7.8 percent in September 2012 from 8.1 percent the month earlier, the Labor Department reported on Oct. 5 of that year, one month before the presidential election. The median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg at the time projected an increase to 8.2 percent.
The report at the time also showed employment in the household survey conducted by the Census Bureau jumped by 873,000 in October, the biggest gain since June 1983, excluding the annual Census population adjustments.

http://triblive.com/usworld/nation/5103852-74/census-bureau-data#ixzz2lA9LVg1z

How difficult do you really think it would be for some high level official at Census to stall the reporting of a certain area until the following month?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[davjohns 1]

Sometimes, I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read the comments here.

Some here will defend any action, however ridiculous, if the person who committed it wears the 'Democrat' label. Others do the same with someone wearing a 'Republican' label.

Two sides of the same coin to me. Both parties want your money. Both parties spend your money to stay in power; not for your well-being. Both parties want to crawl into your home and tell you how to live your personal lives. Both parties want more government control over you. Both parties lie to get what they want. Both parties (oddly) purport to be morally superior and more intelligent than the other.

The average Republican voter doesn't want to abandon anyone who truly needs help. They just want to cut off those who abuse the system. The average Democrat voter doesn't want to finance sloth. They want to make sure the weakest are protected. IMO, most voters are very close to the same position and arguing fiercely over where to the draw the line...the difference between the two positions is often centimeters apart. Meanwhile, the media tries to polarize us because it makes them money and politicians try to polarize us because it helps them control us.

It's hard to mobilize voters to get out and vote for you by admitting that you and your opponent have breakfast together every morning and often sponsor legislation together. They need a good villain to mobilize their base. You people fall for it; hook...line...sinker.

It might be amusing if it wasn't happening throughout our country on a larger scale...and tearing us apart. Again...IMO.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[Stumpy 284]

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How difficult do you really think it would be for some high level official at Census to stall the reporting of a certain area until the following month?

No idea - and neither do you. It doesn't matter because it's pure supposition.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[rushmc 23]

Stumpy

No idea - and neither do you. It doesn't matter because it's pure supposition.

Actually at this point it is not
The source has a name and has offered to bring his documentation to any hearing congress asks him to

The name of the offender has already be given

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[davjohns 1]

I have no reason to believe that someone from one political perspective is more or less likely to commit voter fraud than someone from another political perspective. Each party likes to pretend it has a lock on virtue. I can't tell that either has any virtue.

I do think it is reasonable to have someone show a free, government issued, picture ID when they vote.

If early voting seems to favor one party over another, one of the parties isn't getting their people out to vote early. Get over it.

I think if we are going to have mobile polling stations going into neighborhoods, we need to have them going everywhere. If we are going to give voters a free bus ride to the polls, we should give everyone a free ride to the polls. Every vote is equally important. Don't give some a preference.

Pretty simple, really.

And the gerrymandering thing? Popular vote rules. Get rid of the Electoral College, districting, etc. Majority rule. Saves money and settles the issue.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.