so now that the government can mandate that we buy something . . .

[rushmc 23]

As I said
You think you know what is best
Just ask you

Typical liberal

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

As I said
You think you know what is best
Just ask you

Typical liberal

You don't think you know what is best? You would prefer other people think for you?

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

***As I said
You think you know what is best
Just ask you

Typical liberal

You don't think you know what is best? You would prefer other people think for you?

I know what is best for me
As opposed to you knowing what YOU think is best for me

Leave me the fuck alone dude!!!
I do NOT need your help with my health care

Get it now?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

******As I said
You think you know what is best
Just ask you

Typical liberal

You don't think you know what is best? You would prefer other people think for you?

I know what is best for me
As opposed to you knowing what YOU think is best for me

Leave me the fuck alone dude!!!
I do NOT need your help with my health care

Get it now?

Oh I wasn't talking just about you. I was thinking of something larger, like your country. But, it doesn't surprise me you would only think about yourself.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

*********As I said
You think you know what is best
Just ask you

Typical liberal

You don't think you know what is best? You would prefer other people think for you?

I know what is best for me
As opposed to you knowing what YOU think is best for me

Leave me the fuck alone dude!!!
I do NOT need your help with my health care

Get it now?

Oh I wasn't talking just about you. I was thinking of something larger, like your country. But, it doesn't surprise me you would only think about yourself.and yet again you go off on a tangent
This is a waste of my time but

This country
MY country is much better off with out those like you and busy body liberal buerocrats trying to tell me what is best for me or anybody else for that matter
And we get fucked up laws that will never work (like the ACA) when they are allowed to try
So, MY country is better off with you and the gov butting out of our lives for the most part

We now await your next desperate twist

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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MY country is much better off with out those like you and busy body liberal buerocrats

As opposed to busybody conservatives who tell a woman she requires a vaginal ultrasound even though her doctor disagrees? Weren't you in favor of that type of busybodiness?

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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MY country is much better off with out those like you and busy body liberal buerocrats

As opposed to busybody conservatives who tell a woman she requires a vaginal ultrasound even though her doctor disagrees? Weren't you in favor of that type of busybodiness?

Start your own thread

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Nope, I like this one.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

Nope, I like this one.

Ok
Just for you

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-scotus-abortion-texas-20131120,0,3988621.story

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Supreme Court vote upholds Texas abortion law

Tx cares about women

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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MY country is much better off with out those like you and busy body liberal buerocrats trying to tell me what is best for me or anybody else for that matter

You think your country would be better off if there was only one party, with no opposition?

[DanG 1]

Just because the Supreme Court denied certiori doesn't mean that Texas cares about women.

But the larger point is that you favor government mandates as long as they conform to your belief system. You don't really believe that the individual knows better that the government, you think that you know better than everyone else.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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MY country is much better off with out those like you and busy body liberal buerocrats trying to tell me what is best for me or anybody else for that matter

You think your country would be better off if there was only one party, with no opposition?

No
But this is what Obama is after

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,588]

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***Supreme Court vote upholds Texas abortion law

Tx cares about women Bull-fucking-shit.

They care about abortion. Some honestly consider every pregnancy to be a baby; some care about the fact that their constituents care. If they cared about women, they'd be all over making all of the other services provided by those clinics available. But they don't.

Interesting how a vasectomy doesn't require admitting privileges; it's more invasive and dangerous. But no one is up in arms over that one, are they?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

DanG

Just because the Supreme Court denied certiori doesn't mean that Texas cares about women.

But the larger point is that you favor government mandates as long as they conform to your belief system. You don't really believe that the individual knows better that the government, you think that you know better than everyone else.

Of course it does
It sided with a law that makes sure woman get abortions in clean sanitary medical facilities
Not single minded abortion factories that make planned parenthood millions of dollars

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

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***Supreme Court vote upholds Texas abortion law

Tx cares about women

Bull-fucking-shit.

They care about abortion. Some honestly consider every pregnancy to be a baby; some care about the fact that their constituents care. If they cared about women, they'd be all over making all of the other services provided by those clinics available. But they don't.

Interesting how a vasectomy doesn't require admitting privileges; it's more invasive and dangerous. But no one is up in arms over that one, are they?

Wendy P.

And planned parent hood donesnt care about money???

Sorry Wendy, but that is all PP cares about
This and killing the unborn

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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It sided with a law that makes sure woman get abortions in clean sanitary medical facilities

Nice party line. Total bullshit, but well regurgitated.

See Wendy's post above. Why are only abortion clinics now required to meet higher safety standards? Why not all outpatient medical facilities? Why do doctors performing abortions need admitting privledges, but not doctors performing other surgical procedures?

It's the pro-life agenda dressed to look like safety concerns. i'd have thought you'd be intellectually honest enough to admit that.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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It sided with a law that makes sure woman get abortions in clean sanitary medical facilities

Nice party line. Total bullshit, but well regurgitated.

See Wendy's post above. Why are only abortion clinics now required to meet higher safety standards? Why not all outpatient medical facilities? Why do doctors performing abortions need admitting privledges, but not doctors performing other surgical procedures?

It's the pro-life agenda dressed to look like safety concerns. i'd have thought you'd be intellectually honest enough to admit that.

Nothing to do with party
Has everything do with how I value life

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,588]

I thought businesses were supposed to care about making money. In order to maximize the benefit from donations and income, they have to pay attention to money. In Charity Navigator, they're well rated from a fiduciary point of view, with over 90% of revenues going to program expenses.

Planned Parenthood, here in Houston at least, provides birth control (for both men and women), mammograms, STD tests, pregnancy tests, sterilization (for both men and women), colonoscopy, Pap smear, UTI screening, referrals for a host of things.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

***

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It sided with a law that makes sure woman get abortions in clean sanitary medical facilities

Nice party line. Total bullshit, but well regurgitated.

See Wendy's post above. Why are only abortion clinics now required to meet higher safety standards? Why not all outpatient medical facilities? Why do doctors performing abortions need admitting privledges, but not doctors performing other surgical procedures?

It's the pro-life agenda dressed to look like safety concerns. i'd have thought you'd be intellectually honest enough to admit that.

Nothing to do with party
Has everything do with how I value life

What is that value? You want to control women to make yourself feel better?

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DaVinci

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Which is exactly why everybody should have insurance coverage, so my money doesn't get stolen to pay for ignorants who don't understand men can get breast cancer.

I am not ignorant for using mammograms on men as an example.

1. The RATE of breast cancer for men is about 100 times less common among men than among women. For men, the lifetime risk of getting breast cancer is about 1:1,000

2. Mammograms are NOT suggested for men.

There is a significant difference between knowing and using statistics and not knowing them and ignoring them.

Ah - Lets get closer . . . The exchanges are like - "Here are our cars you can choose from. You must sign for one of them, or we will fine you. We will charge you what we think you should pay because that guy over there needs a car too, yes, he needs it and you can't say different, we know better. You must all have 4x4s and roll bars, and must spend at least $100.00 per week on fuel, even if you don't drive that much. Oh and you have to pay into the new tire account as well, even if you don't need any . . . you know someone else does and you must support their needs, yes, again, the needs that we say they have."

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Ah ok. SO no money, no care, no life

Way to ignore the rest of the post.

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Sorry, I simply will never agree with you on this.

You are free to give 100% of your money to anyone you want. You are not free to spend my money at all. I am also free to spend my money as I see fit and NOT allowed to spend your money.

So if you want, you may create an organization to take care of breast cancer in men if you like.

[DaVinci 0]

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Yes health insurance, cause every single person is going to need the services of a health care professional at some point. The far majority of you cannot afford it when that happens.

And yet the far majority already had coverage in one shape or form. In fact, less than 16% DIDN'T have coverage. And before you credit the ACA: "But Obamacare, as the act is known, did not have a major impact on insurance coverage in 2012, Census officials and experts said. They don't expect to see any significant impact until 2015, when the 2014 figures are reported."

http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/17/news/economy/health-insurance-census/

And the ACA does not fix that.... According to the CBO an estimated 29 million will remain uninsured in 2019.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43472-07-24-2012-CoverageEstimates.pdf

And less than 2% of the HC spending was at Emergency rooms already

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/oct/28/nick-gillespie/does-emergency-care-account-just-2-percent-all-hea/

So this was a law that affected all of the US to try and provide coverage to <16% of the US and it will still not cover everyone while increasing costs and making others lose what they had.

I don't see that as a win.

[kelpdiver 2]

rushmc

Of course it does
It sided with a law that makes sure woman get abortions in clean sanitary medical facilities
Not single minded abortion factories that make planned parenthood millions of dollars

right, PP is a money printing machine! Especially in rural areas along the Texas border - those poor women are just loaded with cash!

It's mindblogging to hear some of the crap you spew. And it's disappointing how much you misunderstand the decision made. The court didn't rule on the law in question. They ruled that there wasn't a compelling reason to stay the implementation of this law before it could run through the judicial system. (Funny enough, the decision to kill prop 8 in California and let gays marry was stayed since the prospect of men in wedding dresses would have lead to the end of the world)

It was a political decision, make no mistake. It will be harder to write an actual decision with the same result. As Wendy stated, you don't need admitting facilities nearby if you're performing a vasectomy, and we all know that one penis is worth 1000 pregnant women. Why aren't we protecting the dong's health?

[kelpdiver 2]

davjohns

I expected you to point out that I COULD have had a serious illness or injury. But I took a calculated risk. People do that. Now, I'm being told that I can't be trusted with those calculated risks. There's a terribly slippery slope there.

But it's hardly a calculated risk - when uninsured skydivers femur in, they don't pay the price of the injury, and they're not taken to the back of the barn and shot either. The truth is that medical care isn't an optional choice, and it's impractical for nearly all to choose to pay cash on need.

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Skydivers COULD be badly injured and cost the health industry money out of proportion with projected probabilities. Need to outlaw skydiving (hang gliding, SCUBA, martial arts...all the things I enjoy).

I don't think divers impact the medical costs in any meaningful ways. Injuries beyond muscle aches are not common. Deaths are often just the outcome of poor cardiovascular health combined with remoteness from medical care (ie, underwater). Those deaths rarely cost much in care - the person drowns. Hyperbaric care traditionally has not been covered by medical plans so divers insure via DAN, maintain non profit deco chambers, or pay small per day/trip donations at travel locales to maintain facilities.

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You see, you can always argue that something COULD have happened. But the reality is that young, single people really don't need health insurance from a statistical perspective. That's why the law is forcing them to get it. They pay for something they don't need so people with pre-existing conditions can get coverage.

The accident rate for young people is far higher than average, I suspect the vehicle accidents being the most significant piece. Acute care therefore remains significant, but the costs of chronic illness are quite rare. Only an unlucky few get cancer or other severe illnesses.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

******

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It sided with a law that makes sure woman get abortions in clean sanitary medical facilities

Nice party line. Total bullshit, but well regurgitated.

See Wendy's post above. Why are only abortion clinics now required to meet higher safety standards? Why not all outpatient medical facilities? Why do doctors performing abortions need admitting privledges, but not doctors performing other surgical procedures?

It's the pro-life agenda dressed to look like safety concerns. i'd have thought you'd be intellectually honest enough to admit that.

Nothing to do with party
Has everything do with how I value life

What is that value? You want to control women to make yourself feel better?

Nope
I value life
You dont

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln