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Another Store Clerk Fired for Refusing to be a Murder Victim

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http://lastresistance.com/3630/another-store-clerk-fired-refusing-murder-victim/"These days, if you want to work for a franchise like a convenience store, you have to agree to their terms, which may include being someone’s murder victim. Most of these places have 'no tolerance' policies, which prevent their employees from being able to defend themselves with any kind of weapon. You’re not even allowed to try to fight off a perpetrator. You’re supposed to do whatever the criminal wants; give him all the money from the safe, let him steal your car, give him a medium dark roast coffee. Or, if the armed robber feels like it, also give him your life."
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Hell I'd fire anyone who did this:

"He was about 10 feet ahead of me, and I raised the gun and just started shooting. Everything was blurry, because I still had pepper spray in my eyes. That’s when he panicked and ran out of the store."

Anyone who shoots blindly into a public space should, at the very least, lose their job.

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rickjump1

http://lastresistance.com/3630/another-store-clerk-fired-refusing-murder-victim/"These days, if you want to work for a franchise like a convenience store, you have to agree to their terms, which may include being someone’s murder victim. Most of these places have 'no tolerance' policies, which prevent their employees from being able to defend themselves with any kind of weapon. You’re not even allowed to try to fight off a perpetrator. You’re supposed to do whatever the criminal wants; give him all the money from the safe, let him steal your car, give him a medium dark roast coffee. Or, if the armed robber feels like it, also give him your life."



If you don't like the terms of your work agreement, don't accept the job.

Wanting the government to mandate what a private company allows or doesn't allow, is so....liberal.

Don't force a minimum wage, don't force any benefits, don't force any taxes on business, but by golly make damn sure the employees can bring guns.

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billvon

Hell I'd fire anyone who did this:

"He was about 10 feet ahead of me, and I raised the gun and just started shooting. Everything was blurry, because I still had pepper spray in my eyes. That’s when he panicked and ran out of the store."

Anyone who shoots blindly into a public space should, at the very least, lose their job.

He lost his, but he is alive.
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>He lost his, but he is alive.

And out of a job for putting the customers of a store at risk of death. If, as he said, he fired blindly into a public space, he's an idiot who is better off working in a place where he cannot put anyone at risk.

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billvon

>He lost his, but he is alive.

And out of a job for putting the customers of a store at risk of death. If, as he said, he fired blindly into a public space, he's an idiot who is better off working in a place where he cannot put anyone at risk.



I'd like to know what you would have done in his situation.:ph34r:
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billvon

>He lost his, but he is alive.

And out of a job for putting the customers of a store at risk of death. If, as he said, he fired blindly into a public space, he's an idiot who is better off working in a place where he cannot put anyone at risk.



Bullshit. He knew he had a cashier out front and two customers in the store, and he described the suspect after being sprayed. He no doubt had it in the back of his mind that a cashier had been murdered in that very store.

"That’s when Jarriel said he saw an opening. As the suspect, described as a black male of average size and build, turned to walk out front, he pulled a gun he had in his front pants pocket. 'He was about 10 feet ahead of me, and I raised the gun and just started shooting,' Jarriel said. Everything was blurry, because I still had pepper spray in my eyes. That’s when he panicked and ran out of the store'.”

Sometimes things get blurry on the "urban" battlefield, but this guy overcame it and won, but you can be happy. He got fired.
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billvon

>He lost his, but he is alive.

And out of a job for putting the customers of a store at risk of death. If, as he said, he fired blindly into a public space, he's an idiot who is better off working in a place where he cannot put anyone at risk.



So he meets the qualifications for a law enforcement officer?


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***>He lost his, but he is alive.

And out of a job for putting the customers of a store at risk of death. If, as he said, he fired blindly into a public space, he's an idiot who is better off working in a place where he cannot put anyone at risk.



So he meets the qualifications for a law enforcement officer?

Sure, just like his cash register experience makes him an accountant.

Plus, every sale is a legal construct as well, so might as well make him a lawyer too.

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SkyDekker

. . . so might as well make him a lawyer too.



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billvon

And out of a job for putting the customers of a store at risk of death.



No he's out of job for "Possession/Use of a weapon on company property." I think you're latching a bit heavily onto how he was quoted by the media as describing what happened as summarized by a news aggregation site, rather than on what happened. If you read the article from the local paper it sounds as though they were both still in the back office and he fired at the guy who he knew had just pepper-sprayed him, and the rest of what happened was blurry. Was it the best decision or even a good decision? Without knowing the store layout I'm not sure I can Monday-morning QB this one.

SkyDekker

If you don't like the terms of your work agreement, don't accept the job.


JohnnyMarko

don't live in university housing if you want to have a gun on you....



Tell that to the kid who chewed a pop-tart into the wrong shape or the woman banned from her kids school for displaying a permit on her facebook page. The point of the article was to bemoan the ridiculous nature of zero-tolerance policies about firearms and how they steadily creep into more and more aspects of life.

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> I think you're latching a bit heavily onto how he was quoted by the media as
>describing what happened as summarized by a news aggregation site, rather than on
>what happened.

Which is why I said "If, as he said, he fired blindly into a public space . . . "

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Tell that to the kid who chewed a pop-tart into the wrong shape or the woman banned from her kids school for displaying a permit on her facebook page. The point of the article was to bemoan the ridiculous nature of zero-tolerance policies about firearms and how they steadily creep into more and more aspects of life.



Different issue.

Like I said above. Republicans are against minimum wage, against taxes on business, against restrictive labour laws. Yet they want the government to force businesses to allow their employees to bring guns to work?

If you don't like where you work, quit. And in the true American spirit, if you aren't smart enough to work anywhere other than the corner store...then you are just lazy.

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billvon

>So he meets the qualifications for a law enforcement officer?

Definitely not, with bad judgment like that. Doesn't even meet the qualifications for a cashier if he thinks it's OK to fire his gun blindly in a public place.



It was a reference to the number of police incidents where they've been a bit trigger happy and end up taking out bystanders. Cops do it and nobody suggests disarming them.


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>It was a reference to the number of police incidents where they've been a
>bit trigger happy and end up taking out bystanders.

Right. And as in this case, they are often fired for a mistake of that magnitude. (Or to use Rickjump1's language, they are "fired for refusing to be murder victims.")

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lawrocket

***>So he meets the qualifications for a law enforcement officer?

Definitely not, with bad judgment like that. Doesn't even meet the qualifications for a cashier if he thinks it's OK to fire his gun blindly in a public place.



It was a reference to the number of police incidents where they've been a bit trigger happy and end up taking out bystanders. Cops do it and nobody suggests disarming them.

So you are saying there should be no consequences for breaking company policies? Or employees should be allowed to pick and chose which ones they want to follow?

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billvon

>It was a reference to the number of police incidents where they've been a
>bit trigger happy and end up taking out bystanders.

Right. And as in this case, they are often fired for a mistake of that magnitude. (Or to use Rickjump1's language, they are "fired for refusing to be murder victims.")



citizens, otoh, get charged with manslaughter (or worse) and sued in civil courts. LEOs, quite typically, stay shielded.

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Those kids broke a rule that may cost them their education, but the important thing is they are alive, and they may have prevented someone else from being robbed or murdered.

The "I may be dead; lying in my own pool of blood, but I died with the satisfaction of knowing I never had to own a gun", is one of life's choices for some of us.
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>and they may have prevented someone else from being robbed or murdered.

Looks like . . . not so much. From the stories:

"As soon as he sees me, he decides he doesn't want to deal with me. So he takes off."

"That’s when he panicked and ran out of the store.”

Looks like both are still free to rob and murder.

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billvon

> I think you're latching a bit heavily onto how he was quoted by the media as
>describing what happened as summarized by a news aggregation site, rather than on
>what happened.

Which is why I said "If, as he said, he fired blindly into a public space . . . "



I read that as a condition of him "being an idiot..." rather than a condition on your reason for why he was fired. In any event, the totality of your posts up to the point that I made mine gave the impression you had a pretty firm picture in your head of what had happened. My apologies if that was, in fact, not the case.

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