I wonder what happened to Afghanistan.

[turtlespeed 226]

Here are some photos from the sixties

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[Skyrad 0]

Communism and war Son, Communism and war.

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[wmw999 2,589]

I'd put war above Communism, too. Any outside conquering force might well have had the same effect .

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[turtlespeed 226]

wmw999

I'd put war above Communism, too. Any outside conquering force might well have had the same effect .

Wendy P.

So how did they get to Burkas from where they were in those photos?

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[wmw999 2,589]

One of the photos had a burqa in it. When a conquering force comes in, the people are going to find a way in which they're alike, and the invaders different.

I don't think that the communist invaders encouraged religiosity.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Skyrad 0]

turtlespeed

***I'd put war above Communism, too. Any outside conquering force might well have had the same effect .

Wendy P.

So how did they get to Burkas from where they were in those photos?

Thats a long and nasty story but to keep it short lets just say pernicious Saudi influence.

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[DanG 1]

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Thats a long and nasty story but to keep it short lets just say pernicious Saudi influence.

Not a bad one sentance summary.

Read "Ghost Wars" by Stephen Coll for a million sentance summary.

- Dan G

[winsor 236]

"Gimme that old time religion..."

[jakee 1,596]

turtlespeed

So how did they get to Burkas from where they were in those photos?

Keep in mind that most of those photos were taken in Kabul, most of the women pictured are westerners and most of the Afghans pictured are men. The Taliban certainly brought things to an all time low but rural, tribal Afghan society has always been extremely patriarchal.

It's only fiction but the book "A thousand splendid suns" follows women in Afghanistan from the '60s to post 9/11.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Andy9o8 2]

Whoa. I always wondered what the Heinies did with all those surplus Wermacht helmets. Now I know.

[davjohns 1]

Religious fundamentalists stepped in when people needed something. Same thing in Iraq. Find pictures of women in Iraq in the 70s. They wore the same stuff American women wore in the 70s. Very few head scarves and short skirts. Iran was about the same. That's why we had gotten so close with the Shah. They were on their way to becoming western.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[Darius11 12]

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They were on their way to becoming western.

Which was not viewed as an evolution, just more materialism and things that many eastern culture look down on.

I know when the western views were FORCED on the general population of Iran they had a huge push back. No one likes to be forced the people have to make their own choices.

Then off course you have outside influences who attempted to manipulate any situation they could because of what they wanted with no regard for the blow back or consequences to the local population.

I think if they would have left things alone they would have evolved there own way to do things that would also be closer to what "the western" view is. Freedom with there own twist that works for them.


However that might not be whats best for our interest, its much easier to get what you want from a broken nation then a strong one.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Bertt 0]

Everywhere the Soviets went, they left wrecked economies and AK-47s.

You don't have to outrun the bear.

[Skyrad 0]

True, ironically by 2020 they'll most likely be saying the same thing about the USA.

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[turtlespeed 226]

Skyrad

True, ironically by 2020 they'll most likely be saying the same thing about the USA.

Oh - Ouch - I hope China is nicer to us than russia was to Afghanistan.

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[Skyrad 0]

They don't need to invade, my little green friend. They already own pretty much anything worth owning.

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[turtlespeed 226]

Skyrad

They don't need to invade, my little green friend. They already own pretty much anything worth owning.

Have you ever seen their male to female ratio?

China is supposedly going to have between 24 and 50 million extra men.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[Arvoitus 1]

turtlespeed

***They don't need to invade, my little green friend. They already own pretty much anything worth owning.

Have you ever seen their male to female ratio?

China is supposedly going to have between 24 and 50 million extra men.

24 to 50 million extra men are irrelevant in a population of 1,500 million people.

Besides the demography is skewed towards more males everywhere in younger age groups. In my country, in absolute numbers, there are more women then there are men. However if you look at different age groups then from 1 to 50 years of age there are more men then women and then after 50, suddenly most men die off and there is left over of women which end up making the total numbers positive for women. In my home city, in my age group there are 5 women to every 6 men, so every group of 6 men will have one 'extra' man.

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