Take your gun to a party

[DaVinci 0]

kallend

*********Typical.

By now, I should know better than to expect honest discussions with you.

Irony score 10/10.

At least I live where I claim to live.

You CLAIM to live in Chicago.... But you live in Flossmoore, IL. You are actually closer to Indiana than down town Chicago.

Nope.

Moved to Chicago in August

Do you LIKE being wrong so often?

Might want to let the FAA know.

[kallend 2,148]

DaVinci

************Typical.

By now, I should know better than to expect honest discussions with you.

Irony score 10/10.

At least I live where I claim to live.

You CLAIM to live in Chicago.... But you live in Flossmoore, IL. You are actually closer to Indiana than down town Chicago.

Nope.

Moved to Chicago in August

Do you LIKE being wrong so often?

Might want to let the FAA know.

I have, and my address is shown correctly in the airman certification database.

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

So you're wrong yet again. :P]

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 895]

Data with cited source

as opposed to arbitrarily posted numbers....

[SkyDekker 1,465]

DaVinci

***If you look at the rate, rather than raw numbers (at least in wikipedia's entry, they're not very different. Texas is 3.2 gun murders per 100,000, and California is 3.4.

Now Louisiana has the highest rate (outside of DC, which is a city more than it's a state). And their gun ownership rate is higher than either California or Texas.

Wendy P.

Good point. The main point I was trying to make is that CA's gun laws do not actually work. TX has far more guns and has a lower rate than CA.

The biggest factors in gun violence no one ever wants to talk about.... Social. Less education, and lower resources almost always lead to more gun violence.

There is a reason that most gun deaths are black males.... It has nothing to do with race, and it has absolutely nothing to do with gun laws.

Until people are willing to drop the BS (Guns laws work!, Make every honest citizen go through a background check!) and focus on the real issues.... We will never solve anything.

You want to stop mass shootings? Better reporting of people with mental health issues and better mental health services will do that. Making 99.9% of the population go through background checks will not do anything.

You want to stop gun violence? Focus on stopping *violence* and focus your efforts in poor urban areas. Work on improving the lives of the people in those areas.

As long as people focus on the item - make the item out to be evil.... We will never get anything done. And no, I am not willing to continue to give up my rights in the hope that some already proven ineffective plan will "do something".

I completely agreee with you.

Yet I so often hear about strong gun proponents being absolutely against increases to education spending and spending on mental health care.

If I wanted to keep my guns safe as long as possible, I would want to support increases in educational and mental health spending....even if that meant tax increases.

[kelpdiver 2]

normiss

Data with cited source

as opposed to arbitrarily posted numbers....

"But residents of Chicago and New York were much less likely to be victims of a homicide than residents of Flint, Mich. Sixty-three murders occurred in 2012 in Flint, a city of 101,632, meaning one in every 1,613 city residents were homicide victims. Detroit, which experienced 386 homicides in 2012, was almost as unsafe; that’s enough murders to account for one in every 1,832 residents."

[kallend 2,148]

normiss

Data with cited source

as opposed to arbitrarily posted numbers....

Absolute numbers don't take into account size of the city.

From your cited source:

"But residents of Chicago and New York were much less likely to be victims of a homicide than residents of Flint, Mich."

Or, for that matter, many other cities where the murder RATE is higher. Like Orlando.

You do understand the concept of RATE, correct?

And the 'arbitrarily posted numbers" you dislike are murder RATES from the FBI.

BTW, have you corrected your dishonest profile yet?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 895]

You really suck at showing your work perfessor.
You'd fail yourself you know.

[DaVinci 0]

kallend

***************Typical.

By now, I should know better than to expect honest discussions with you.

Irony score 10/10.

At least I live where I claim to live.

You CLAIM to live in Chicago.... But you live in Flossmoore, IL. You are actually closer to Indiana than down town Chicago.

Nope.

Moved to Chicago in August

Do you LIKE being wrong so often?

Might want to let the FAA know.

I have, and my address is shown correctly in the airman certification database.

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

So you're wrong yet again. :P]

Your plane is not registered to Chicago.

edited to remove personal details

[DaVinci 0]

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Yet I so often hear about strong gun proponents being absolutely against increases to education spending and spending on mental health care

I'll give you an example.... I am against the CDC doing gun research. Even though the most recent bit of research (and all the research done before) actually support my position. And the reason is simple - The CDC has a history of having a political agenda.

Dr. Mark Rosenberg, who was then director of the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control at the CDC, explained his aim was to make the public see firearms as “dirty, deadly—and banned.” (Quoted in William Raspberry, “Sick People With Guns,” The Washington Post, Oct. 19, 1994.)

Dr. Katherine Christoffel and Dr. Robert Tanz of the Children’s Hospital in Chicago, “plan to do to handguns what their profession has done to cigarettes … turn gun ownership from a personal-choice issue to a repulsive, anti-social health hazard.” (Harold Henderson, “Policy: Guns ‘n Poses,” Chicago Reader, Dec. 16, 1994.)

So I just can't support the CDC doing such research. They have shown their intentions and have juggled some studies to create issues. One thing they did was classify people in their late teens as "children" to make child deaths by firearm look like it was increasing.

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If I wanted to keep my guns safe as long as possible, I would want to support increases in educational and mental health spending....even if that meant tax increases.

If that would keep the anti gunners away, it would be great. I could support better mental health spending and education spending even without the gun benefit (and it would be without it.... Gun crime is DOWN yet the anti's still call for bans. It is not about stopping gun crime, it is about getting rid of civilian owned weapons for them and they have said exactly that).

The problem is I am not for tax increases without proven strategies for improvement. It is nothing more than throwing good money after bad.

Education has been dumbed down to the point that High School grads can't make change. I am not willing to throw more money at a program like that.

And the curriculum, the "common core". It has some glaring problems. States should be in charge of the education in the State. the Federal govt should stay out of it.

I am for education improvement. That does not mean doing the same but just spending more money.

[rhaig 0]

kallend

So you're wrong yet again. :P]

damn! you sound like an old married woman. Except you are much more repetitive.

--
Rob

[kallend 2,148]

DaVinci

******************Typical.

By now, I should know better than to expect honest discussions with you.

Irony score 10/10.

At least I live where I claim to live.

You CLAIM to live in Chicago.... But you live in Flossmoore, IL. You are actually closer to Indiana than down town Chicago.

Nope.

Moved to Chicago in August

Do you LIKE being wrong so often?

Might want to let the FAA know.

I have, and my address is shown correctly in the airman certification database.

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

So you're wrong yet again. :P]

Your plane is not registered to Chicago.

Edited to remove personal details


Hardly my fault if the Boehner/Cruz shutdown resulted in a backlog of FAA updates to their registration web site.
FAA was notified weeks ago.

Check your facts carefully before running off at the mouth.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,148]

rhaig

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So you're wrong yet again. :P]

damn! you sound like an old married woman. Except you are much more repetitive.

Well, is it my fault if daVinci insists on being wrong over and over again?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,148]

It's one thing to be an anonymous troll, but there's something particularly LOW CLASS about an anonymous troll who posts what he believes to be someone else's personal details on an internet forum.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 895]

While you decry the accuracy of someone else's personal details.

[kallend 2,148]

normiss

While you decry the accuracy of someone else's personal details.

Did I post YOUR street address and the make, model, year and VIN of your vehicle on any site?

YOU told us that you lied were less than truthful in your profile.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 895]

No need to be angry about public records.
Don't like them, vote to change access to them.
It's actually quite surprising the things one can find in public records.
FAA database being but one.

The FAA is who posted your personal information on the internets.

My profile is significantly more hones than your gun hatred.

Have an awesome weekend John.

[kallend 2,148]

normiss

No need to be angry about public records.
Don't like them, vote to change access to them.
It's actually quite surprising the things one can find in public records.
FAA database being but one.

The FAA is who posted your personal information on the internets.

But you have to search for it. It isn't broadcast.

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My profile is significantly more hones than your gun hatred.

Irony score 10/10.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 895]

Trust me, we ALL know how well you understand irony.

[kallend 2,148]

normiss

Trust me, we ALL know how well you understand irony.

Who was it that excused his own lying on his profile with the words:

"Being somewhat geographically dishonest on an internet forum, CLEARLY overly populated with nut jobs...and you think that is a lie?"

Yet thinks it perfectly OK to post a full street address of another poster, along with the make, model, year, registration number and VIN of his vehicle?

Oh - it was YOU.

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[rickjump1 0]

"... on an internet forum, CLEARLY overly populated with nut jobs...and Oh - it was YOU."


I would recommend the Colt M-4 5.56mm with no less than a dozen 30 round magazines, and I'm sure you could procure a couple of junkyard watch dogs from the Southside of Chicago for burglar alarms (if you think you're that big of a target).

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[quade 4]

Don't do this again. You will be banned. Consider this the only warning you'll ever get.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rehmwa 2]

DaVinci

Your plane is not registered to Chicago.

edited to remove personal details

good moderation ----


How about acting on all the PA's too? It's tit for tat pissy childish stuff and PAs (inferred or direct) that led up to this in the first place.

It's ridiculous lately. Every thread.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[DaVinci 0]

kallend

It's one thing to be an anonymous troll, but there's something particularly LOW CLASS about an anonymous troll who posts what he believes to be someone else's personal details on an internet forum.

You blast another person for lying about where they live... Yet you did the same.

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Yet thinks it perfectly OK to post a full street address of another poster, along with the make, model, year, registration number and VIN of his vehicle?

You are bashing a guy because he didn't put his (what you consider) true information online.

That information was given was available from the FAA on the web. Also the AMA, BTW. But if you are upset about it, I apologize.

[kallend 2,148]

DaVinci

You are bashing a guy because he didn't put his (what you consider) true information online.

He told us it wasn't true. Of course, that might not have been true.

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[DaVinci 0]

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He told us it wasn't true. Of course, that might not have been true

I can't blame him for not wanting to put his personal information out there anymore than I could be upset at you for being upset that I put your information out there, sorry if that really upset you....

Fact is that I have had people try to call my employer because of something they read online that they didn't like. My boss laughed at them, but the point is that it is wise NOT to have personal information available when getting into discussions that might turn heated. PhillyKev I think got fired over something like that.

And when telling people where I live, I often tell them something like San Jose instead of something like Redwood City. Most people don't know where the hell Redwood City is and then you have to explain more. Heck most times it is easier to say SF. Like when a skydiver asks where are you from and you answer with "The Ranch" instead of New York.

So someone putting they live in "Orlando" when the house is actually in Apopka is not a 'lie'. Most people don't know where Apopka is and the next question is normally, "What is that near?"

So for 99.9% of the population, mentioning the Large city close to them is enough. It is only when people want to get ridiculous that the actual city matters.... And it seems that is all some people care about.