Take your gun to a party

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kallend

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When you post nonsense, you can expect an appropriate response.

List previously cited - read the thread and eat crow.

Wendy already address the first bit. You fucked up, got caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Eat that crow.

As for the second...I'm sure that works in academic papers...'the citation was obvious, Prof. Already cited, motherfucker!' And funny enough, based on your writing, you seemed to shift from murders to violent crime, and we know that this is underreported in big cities where people often don't bother to call the cops after the event is over.

Resorting to vulgar insults shows that you have nothing. How about you show us your evidence that the media reports from multiple sources are "a false anecdote" to quote your own words.

He has more than you. Like always.

Ummm NO - he even admitted later that what I posted was "fact" and not a "false anecdote".

You are wrong, like always.

You never win these discussions.... Unless you call insulting the other person "winning".

Your data is most often times wrong and your conclusions are pretty much always wrong.

If your dream worked, DC and Chicago would not be in the top 100 most dangerous places. And CA would not not have almost 60% of the gun deaths in the US.

But you ignore all of that and continue to harp on worn out and PROVEN wrong policies.

Your main problem is you have no honestly when it comes to the gun discussion. When proven wrong you misdirect, insult, or just walk away.

You should maybe walk away more.

[JerryBaumchen 1,466]

Hi Boogers,

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I hear that 100% of drunk driving accidents in the USA are committed by vehicle owners.
Can that be true?

I doubt that little factoid. My brother wrecked my borrowed car when he was blasted.



JerryBaumchen

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normiss

Gang laws...we need gang laws.

But Cypress has red light cameras, how could this have happened

[kallend 2,147]

normiss

Typical.

By now, I should know better than to expect honest discussions with you.

Irony score 10/10.

At least I live where I claim to live.

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[normiss 893]

Jerry!

My brother Rick did that with the 69 Cutlass I restored.
Dad called me when I was in the Navy - you HAVE to sell your cars and motorcycle. I need my yard back.
I sold it to Rick. He totaled it before he even paid for it.

[kallend 2,147]

DaVinci

If your dream worked, DC and Chicago would not be in the top 100 most dangerous places. And CA would not not have almost 60% of the gun deaths in the US.

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If your dream worked the USA would not have the highest rate of gun violence and gun murders of all western industrialized nations. But it does.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 893]

Why do you hate people's desire to protect themselves?

[wmw999 2,587]

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If your dream worked, DC and Chicago would not be in the top 100 most dangerous places. And CA would not not have almost 60% of the gun deaths in the US.

One thing to consider is that there will always be 100 most dangerous places

And by CA having 60% of gun deaths, do you mean California, or Canada? I don't see it for either of them.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[kelpdiver 2]

DaVinci

And CA would not not have almost 60% of the gun deaths in the US.

I feel pretty certain that this is false. We've seen the same declines in murder rates as every where else. Would be pretty noticeable if our rate was 5x the national average.

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kallend

***Typical.

By now, I should know better than to expect honest discussions with you.

Irony score 10/10.

At least I live where I claim to live.

You CLAIM to live in Chicago.... But you live in Flossmoore, IL. You are actually closer to Indiana than down town Chicago.

[kelpdiver 2]

DaVinci

You CLAIM to live in Chicago.... But you live in Flossmoore, IL. You are actually closer to Indiana than down town Chicago.

but he's further away from Indiana than South Chicago.

Seems quibbly- just say he lives in the suburbs of Chicago.

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kelpdiver

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You CLAIM to live in Chicago.... But you live in Flossmoore, IL. You are actually closer to Indiana than down town Chicago.

but he's further away from Indiana than South Chicago.

Seems quibbly- just say he lives in the suburbs of Chicago.

And that would be fine... Except he is busting on people for saying the live in Orlando as opposed to living near Orlando. He is claiming he lives in Chicago, and that is not true.

Pointing out his double standard while he calls other liars is I think fair.

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kelpdiver

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And CA would not not have almost 60% of the gun deaths in the US.

I feel pretty certain that this is false. We've seen the same declines in murder rates as every where else. Would be pretty noticeable if our rate was 5x the national average.

Sorry you are correct. CA has 68% of its murders by *firearm*. And it is the State with the best gun laws according to the Brady center.

CA is the largest State: ~37M and had 1220 gun murders.
TX is the next largest with 25.6M and had about half as many murders at 699.

[wmw999 2,587]

If you look at the rate, rather than raw numbers (at least in wikipedia's entry, they're not very different. Texas is 3.2 gun murders per 100,000, and California is 3.4.

Now Louisiana has the highest rate (outside of DC, which is a city more than it's a state). And their gun ownership rate is higher than either California or Texas.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Boogers 0]

wmw999

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I hear that 100% of drunk driving accidents in the USA are committed by vehicle owners.

Given that some of those vehicles are stolen, or borrowed, or just not being driven by the owner, well, probably not

Wouldn't that also be true of guns used to commit murder?

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wmw999

Also, not that anyone cares, this has turned out to be a very different shooting from what was originally proposed. No random firing off, turns out there were multiple gangs, and one of the shooters has been released as uninvolved.

rickjump1, you can thank me later

Wendy P.

Thanks.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[wmw999 2,587]

Oh, it's quite safe to say that most guns involved in gun violence, and most cars involved in drunk driving accidents, are being wielded by their owners.

On a per-hour-of-use basis, I wouldn't be surprised if guns were more likely to be involved in mayhem, but there really isn't a way to prove that one.

Right up there with "proving" that skydiving is safer than the ride to the DZ (news flash -- it isn't)

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[JerryBaumchen 1,466]

Hi normiss,

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My brother Rick did that with the 69 Cutlass I restored.

Let us never forget that old saying: 'You can pick your seat in the theater & you can pick your nose. You cannot pick your relatives.'



JerryBaumchen

[kelpdiver 2]

DaVinci

Sorry you are correct. CA has 68% of its murders by *firearm*. And it is the State with the best gun laws according to the Brady center.

I would think they'd be happier with NYC or Chicago who until recently, banned handgun ownership entirely. Both states are more restrictive overall as well, I believe. And then you have Maryland leading the way on ballistic fingerprinting and other craziness.

[kallend 2,147]

DaVinci

******Typical.

By now, I should know better than to expect honest discussions with you.

Irony score 10/10.

At least I live where I claim to live.

You CLAIM to live in Chicago.... But you live in Flossmoore, IL. You are actually closer to Indiana than down town Chicago.

Nope.

Moved to Chicago in August

Do you LIKE being wrong so often?

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[kallend 2,147]

kelpdiver

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You CLAIM to live in Chicago.... But you live in Flossmoore, IL. You are actually closer to Indiana than down town Chicago.

but he's further away from Indiana than South Chicago.

Seems quibbly- just say he lives in the suburbs of Chicago.

Nope. Live within Chicago city limits.

You are having a big problem with true and false this week.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,147]

wmw999

If you look at the rate, rather than raw numbers (at least in wikipedia's entry, they're not very different. Texas is 3.2 gun murders per 100,000, and California is 3.4.

Wendy P.

And Illinois has 2.8

Which is less than Georgia, Texas, Arizona, Florida, the Carolinas and other states in which gun ownership is promoted as a deterrent to crime.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kelpdiver 2]

kallend

******
You CLAIM to live in Chicago.... But you live in Flossmoore, IL. You are actually closer to Indiana than down town Chicago.

but he's further away from Indiana than South Chicago.

Seems quibbly- just say he lives in the suburbs of Chicago.

Nope. Live within Chicago city limits.

You are having a big problem with true and false this week.

you're so crotchity you don't even want to let people defend you.

Should I laugh or pity you?

[kallend 2,147]

kelpdiver

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You CLAIM to live in Chicago.... But you live in Flossmoore, IL. You are actually closer to Indiana than down town Chicago.

but he's further away from Indiana than South Chicago.

Seems quibbly- just say he lives in the suburbs of Chicago.

Nope. Live within Chicago city limits.

You are having a big problem with true and false this week.

you're so crotchity you don't even want to let people defend you.

Should I laugh or pity you?

Just stick to telling the truth, that will be fine.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[DaVinci 0]

wmw999

If you look at the rate, rather than raw numbers (at least in wikipedia's entry, they're not very different. Texas is 3.2 gun murders per 100,000, and California is 3.4.

Now Louisiana has the highest rate (outside of DC, which is a city more than it's a state). And their gun ownership rate is higher than either California or Texas.

Wendy P.

Good point. The main point I was trying to make is that CA's gun laws do not actually work. TX has far more guns and has a lower rate than CA.

The biggest factors in gun violence no one ever wants to talk about.... Social. Less education, and lower resources almost always lead to more gun violence.

There is a reason that most gun deaths are black males.... It has nothing to do with race, and it has absolutely nothing to do with gun laws.

Until people are willing to drop the BS (Guns laws work!, Make every honest citizen go through a background check!) and focus on the real issues.... We will never solve anything.

You want to stop mass shootings? Better reporting of people with mental health issues and better mental health services will do that. Making 99.9% of the population go through background checks will not do anything.

You want to stop gun violence? Focus on stopping *violence* and focus your efforts in poor urban areas. Work on improving the lives of the people in those areas.

As long as people focus on the item - make the item out to be evil.... We will never get anything done. And no, I am not willing to continue to give up my rights in the hope that some already proven ineffective plan will "do something".