The bigots strike again

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www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/04/us-usa-senate-gayrights-idUSBRE9A310W20131104

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Admitting once again they think it's more important to "protect business," than human rights.

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[Andy9o8 3]

Good. More moderate swing votes, swinging over to The Real Good Guys®.

Today's Republicans are the best thing to happen to the Democrats in a long time. I'd like to kiss Boehner on the lips. I mean, if I was gay. Which I'm not. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

[riggerrob 644]

Dean Heller of Nevada has the right attitude.

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riggerrob

Dean Heller of Nevada has the right attitude.

Heller absolutely has the right attitude, but all he's going to get for his courage is a GOP supported tea bagger to challenge him in his next primary.

I really thought the GOP was smart enough to pretend that they supported Gay rights.

[airdvr 210]

You guys need to spend some time in the real world and see how these types of laws end up backfiring on those they are designed to protect. One can only hope for the day when we're all a protected class. Then it's back to a level playing field.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[RonD1120 62]

It's not about bigotry; it's about uselessness. Companies have these policies in place now. A new law is not necessary.

“The Speaker believes this legislation will increase frivolous litigation and cost American jobs, especially small-business jobs,” he told TIME.

Read more: Senate Advances LGBT Anti-Discrimination Bill | TIME.com
http://swampland.time.com/2013/11/04/senate-advances-lgbt-anti-descrimination-bill/

Of course, such legislation is cheered by the lawyers. The economy is strengthened by all those luxury car purchases.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[DanG 1]

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Then it's back to a level playing field.

How will preventing companies from firing or not hiring gay people make a non-level playing field?

- Dan G

[kallend 2,175]

I love the way that bigots self-identify in these threads.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[shropshire 0]

Is the dislike or hatred of bigots ... um bigoted?

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[airdvr 210]

DanG

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Then it's back to a level playing field.

How will preventing companies from firing or not hiring gay people make a non-level playing field?

Do you honestly think some business owners won't have reservations about hiring a gay person after this law is enacted? I'm not saying I agree with it but I live in the real world.

John if you think I'm a bigot I guess you must be right.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[DanG 1]

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Do you honestly think some business owners won't have reservations about hiring a gay person after this law is enacted?

You mean because it will be harder to fire them? Maybe.

On the other hand, laws should be written to prevent bad people from doing bad things. We can't let bad people keep doing bad things for fear of preventing regular people from doing regular things.

I'm struggling to explain myself. Here's an shitty example: we shouldn't avoid making drunk driving illegal because it might prevent some sober people from driving.

- Dan G

[JohnnyMarko 1]

I'm in favor of this bill.

Then, I'm going to start every job interview with "Nice to meet you, I'm gay." Then if I don't get hired, or get fired in the future, I'm gonna sue that mofo MWAHAHAHAHA

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JohnnyMarko

I'm in favor of this bill.

Then, I'm going to start every job interview with "Nice to meet you, I'm gay." Then if I don't get hired, or get fired in the future, I'm gonna sue that mofo MWAHAHAHAHA

That DOES seem to prove Boehner's point, doesn't it?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[DanG 1]

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That DOES seem to prove Boehner's point, doesn't it?

I think maybe, just maybe, he was joking.

- Dan G

[JohnnyMarko 1]

turtlespeed

***I'm in favor of this bill.

Then, I'm going to start every job interview with "Nice to meet you, I'm gay." Then if I don't get hired, or get fired in the future, I'm gonna sue that mofo MWAHAHAHAHA

That DOES seem to prove Boehner's point, doesn't it?

Yes...but I was just being a dick...

I must be lucky because I've never worked somewhere that I've had to hide who I was, I was treated just like everyone else. I work when I'm at work, and get treated like a worker, doesn't matter who I sleep with...

If I was going to work for a company who had a problem with who I was, and I needed the help of a law to get me on the same playing field as the straight folks, then I might wanna step back and wonder why I would want to work for a company like that.

[airdvr 210]

DanG

On the other hand, laws should be written to prevent bad people from doing bad things.

Of course...it's working so well with guns and drugs. My point is you can't legislate morality.

Please don't dent the planet.

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airdvr

***On the other hand, laws should be written to prevent bad people from doing bad things.

Of course...it's working so well with guns and drugs. My point is you can't legislate morality.

Define morality.

The government can, however, legislate human rights. It's possibly their largest responsibility. You know, that "all men are created equal" thing.

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[DanG 1]

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Of course...it's working so well with guns and drugs. My point is you can't legislate morality.

I agree. Murder should be legal.

- Dan G

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DanG

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Of course...it's working so well with guns and drugs. My point is you can't legislate morality.

I agree. Murder should be legal.

Lucky for you, it is.
It takes a while to get it through all the red tape, but what can you expect from bureaucracy.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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DanG

On the other hand, laws should be written to prevent bad people from doing bad things. We can't let bad people keep doing bad things for fear of preventing regular people from doing regular things.

I'm struggling to explain myself. Here's an shitty example: we shouldn't avoid making drunk driving illegal because it might prevent some sober people from driving.

"let" is a rabbit hole.

Driving while drunk isn't even an inherently bad thing, causing bodily harm and property damage while operating a motor vehicle is. Simply driving drunk at all has been made illegal because beyond a certain point of intoxication (that is readily measurable) you can show that the likelihood of an accident goes way up, and we don't want to "let" people get into these types of accidents. This is one of people's favorite examples because it's one that does such a good job of not trouncing regular people doing regular things.

Now, suppose I come along and say I want to indirectly try to curb this already indirectly bad activity. Let's make it illegal to get into the driver’s seat of a car within one hour of leaving an establishment that sells alcohol. This is an incredibly stupid law, and we absolutely should be worried about what ordinary things this prevents ordinary people from doing, and not just about "letting" bad guys do bad things. Furthermore, if I propose a law like that, and you raise material concerns with it, it is not on you to come up with a replacement that I find suitable as a prerequisite for taking an opposing stance to it. It would be megalomaniacal to demand that.

Btw, I have no qualms against treating sexual orientation as a "protected class" along with race, sex, and so forth, I just found this defense of it to be inappropriate and wrong.

/edited for spelling and typos, oops.

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turtlespeed

***I'm in favor of this bill.

Then, I'm going to start every job interview with "Nice to meet you, I'm gay." Then if I don't get hired, or get fired in the future, I'm gonna sue that mofo MWAHAHAHAHA

That DOES seem to prove Boehner's point, doesn't it?

Not really. Because in that real world that airdrv refers to, improper termination suits tend to hurt your future employment, take years to litigate, and are hard to prove, so few people go that route willingly. Which I have no doubt, Johnny knows.

[riggerrob 644]

How would they know if a potential employee was "gay" or "trans-gender" or ...
Whatever happened to President Clinton's advice about "don't ask and don't tell?"

In Canada, it is illegal to ask questions about race, religion, political affiliations, etc. during job interviews ....

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riggerrob

How would they know if a potential employee was "gay" or "trans-gender" or ...
Whatever happened to President Clinton's advice about "don't ask and don't tell?"

In Canada, it is illegal to ask questions about race, religion, political affiliations, etc. during job interviews ....

Companies no longer have to ask, they can just look it up on Facebook. And if you don't think they do, you're kidding yourself. Even if the person is very careful, some of their friends probably aren't.

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[DanG 1]

I said it was a shitty example...

- Dan G