Conventional political wisdom and talking points say the gov shut down hurt the Republicans

[rushmc 23]

Did it? Really?

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Mother Jones Shocker: 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble

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Since the government shutdown, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting some media member claiming Republicans are in a lot of trouble heading into next year's midterm elections.

Breaking with the trend rather surprisingly Wednesday was the perilously liberal Mother Jones with a piece titled "New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble."

The poll was actually from James Carville and Stan Greenberg's Democracy Corps and was titled "The Revolt Against Washington and the Republican Congress."

Despite Carville and Greenberg's conclusions, author Kevin Drum dug deeper into the specifics to find some contrary nuggets:

But then

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In Democratic districts, net incumbent approval has plummeted by 11 points, from +8 approval to +3 disapproval. In Republican districts, incumbent approval has gone down only 4 points. You see the same results when they ask a question about warmth of feeling toward incumbents: It's down 7 points in Republican districts and 9 points in Democratic districts.

This isn't good news for Democrats. It's true that attitudes toward the Republican Party have taken a bigger hit than attitudes toward the Democratic Party, but attitudes toward actual incumbents are exactly the opposite. And in elections, that's what matters.

All this from Mother Jones

Hmmmm

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,588]

Link to Mother Jones article

Just in case anyone wants to look at actual information.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

Link to Mother Jones article

Just in case anyone wants to look at actual information.

Wendy P.

Thanks
I thought I had the link in there
My bad

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[yoink 321]

The sad thing is the the cretins in office only see it as a Republican vs Democrat thing... 'We're both losing, but we're losing less than them! Fuck yeah!'..

...when the real message is that the people they're representing are almost equally disgusted with the lot of them.
Seriously - if there was a vote tomorrow to remove the entire senate and congress, I'd put yes on it. Wake the fuckers up.

[rushmc 23]

yoink

The sad thing is the the cretins in office only see it as a Republican vs Democrat thing... 'We're both losing, but we're losing less than them! Fuck yeah!'..

...when the real message is that the people they're representing are almost equally disgusted with the lot of them.
Seriously - if there was a vote tomorrow to remove the entire senate and congress, I'd put yes on it. Wake the fuckers up.

That is a good idea
There should be two votes

First vote is whether to keep them or not
If the vote is no they cant run again
If yes, then the primarys begin

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,118]

>Just in case anyone wants to look at actual information.

This is Speaker's Corner, you know, not a bunch of factinistas on the nerd patrol.

[wmw999 2,588]

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factinista

That's the nicest thing I've been called all day

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,118]

Maybe I should have said factinistress . . . .

[wmw999 2,588]

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factinistress . . . .

...slaps riding crop against leg
...taps foot

kneel when you say that

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[airdvr 210]

wmw999

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factinistress . . . .

...slaps riding crop against leg
...taps foot

kneel when you say that

Wendy P.

Ummm...ahhhh

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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airdvr

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factinistress . . . .

...slaps riding crop against leg
...taps foot

kneel when you say that

Wendy P.

Ummm...ahhhh

I would go over to the left for that.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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