GOP 'extremist movement' prompts NC candidate to switch to Democrat

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rushmc

***OK, now you're saying it's the conservative Republicans who haven't moved to the right.

Which is it? Or are you saying that the conservative Republicans are the ones who get to decide who's really a Republican?

Would you classify the John Birch Society as "real" Republicans?

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The organization identifies with Christian principles, seeks to limit governmental powers, and opposes wealth redistribution, and economic interventionism. It opposes collectivism, totalitarianism, and communism. It opposes socialism as well, which it asserts is infiltrating US governmental administration.

(from Wikipedia)

For anything as diverse as a population of millions, there isn't going to be a single definition of any association or set of beliefs, because they're based on relative, not absolute, issues, and everyone's center is someone else's relative.

Wendy P.

The republican party as a whole, has not moved to the right on any topic

The powers of self delusion required to be a Right Wing Conservative are is full display here in Marc's postings.

If enough RWCs repeat the same lies over and over, the lie is still a lie. Lies do not magically become true when repeated over and over, unless you are an RWC. Then all it takes is enough repetition, and presto change, lies become the truth, to RWCs.

Those of us who can think rationally and understand that facts trump beliefs can see right through Marc's bullshit.

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DanG

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They haven't moved further.

I think both parties have moved significantly to the right on this issue in appalling fashion.

The question wasn't, "has the GOP moved to the right relative to the Democrats." It was, "have they moved to the right."

I understood the question. Both parties are a disgrace on civil liberties and protecting citizens from unwarranted search and seizure.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[billvon 3,119]

>These were all moves to the left by Nixon

And Reagan.

He pardoned illegal immigrants by the millions.
He raised income and corporate taxes via TEFRA to try to balance the budget.
He increased gasoline and social security taxes.
He palled around with communists.
He opposed restrictions on gay rights.

Since the days of Nixon and Reagan, the GOP has moved far to the right.

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Both parties are a disgrace on civil liberties and protecting citizens from unwarranted search and seizure.

I agree. But I still think the GOP has moved to the right on that and many other issues.

- Dan G

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wmw999

The Republican Party is not a single monolithic entity. Unless you define "the Republican Party" as its national platform (which is every 4 years, I believe), it's made up of millions of people, each of whom has a viewpoint of what they think it means.

How do you define the Republican Party, that you can say that it hasn't moved to the right? Or will you just keep asserting, and saying "nope" whenever someone says elsewise?

Wendy P.

The "Republican Party" is woosified, and is letting its morality and beliefs and stance trickle toward the left. It is individuals that are holding fast to what the core beliefs are. That is what makes it appear that the conservatives are moving right.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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funjumper101

If enough RWCs repeat the same lies over and over, the lie is still a lie. Lies do not magically become true when repeated over and over, unless you are an RWC. .

Lies like, "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, Period!"?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,589]

What is "the Republican party?" Is it:

the directors

the members in any particular state

only the members who agree with you

ones who pass a specific purity test (note: then someone gets to determine what the purity test is)
etc.

I.e. -- is someone from Maine who votes Republican for Republican candidates that wouldn't pass muster in Texas -- a [I]real[/I] Republican? And by whose standards?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

What is "the Republican party?" Is it:

the directors

the members in any particular state

only the members who agree with you

ones who pass a specific purity test (note: then someone gets to determine what the purity test is)
etc.

I.e. -- is someone from Maine who votes Republican for Republican candidates that wouldn't pass muster in Texas -- a [I]real[/I] Republican? And by whose standards?

Wendy P.

You would have to be a conservative to understand.
Explaining conservatism to a liberal is kind of like trying to explain menopause to a man.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,589]

So in other words the standards are subjective enough that they can't be quantified.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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turtlespeed

***What is "the Republican party?" Is it:

the directors

the members in any particular state

only the members who agree with you

ones who pass a specific purity test (note: then someone gets to determine what the purity test is)
etc.

I.e. -- is someone from Maine who votes Republican for Republican candidates that wouldn't pass muster in Texas -- a [I]real[/I] Republican? And by whose standards?

Wendy P.

You would have to be a conservative to understand.
Explaining conservatism to a liberal is kind of like trying to explain menopause to a man.

Sounds a lot like:

You'll have to vote for it to find out what is in it.

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SkyDekker

******What is "the Republican party?" Is it:

the directors

the members in any particular state

only the members who agree with you

ones who pass a specific purity test (note: then someone gets to determine what the purity test is)
etc.

I.e. -- is someone from Maine who votes Republican for Republican candidates that wouldn't pass muster in Texas -- a [I]real[/I] Republican? And by whose standards?

Wendy P.

You would have to be a conservative to understand.
Explaining conservatism to a liberal is kind of like trying to explain menopause to a man.

Sounds a lot like:

You'll have to vote for it to find out what is in it.

Yes, Obamacare has a lot in common with menopause.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

You would have to be a conservative to understand.
Explaining conservatism to a liberal is kind of like trying to explain menopause to a man.

Are you really equating Republicans and conservatives? Is that a joke?

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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Southern_Man

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You would have to be a conservative to understand.
Explaining conservatism to a liberal is kind of like trying to explain menopause to a man.

Are you really equating Republicans and conservatives? Is that a joke?

Yes.

But don't tell the liberals, they still don't get it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,589]

It's just acknowledging that conservatism is about feelings, not facts

And as far as menopause is concerned, there are lots of upsides -- no more worries about pregnancy, no more cramps, no more having to buy supplies -- would you like more details?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

It's just acknowledging that conservatism is about feelings, not facts

And as far as menopause is concerned, there are lots of upsides -- no more worries about pregnancy, no more cramps, no more having to buy supplies -- would you like more details?

Wendy P.

No.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,119]

>So in other words the standards are subjective enough that they can't be quantified.

Pretty simple to quantify. To a republican, a politician is a true republican if a) they agree with the politician and b) the politician hasn't done anything stupid lately.