Rand Paul denies obvious plagiarism

[jclalor 12]

Plagiarism was enough to force Biden out of the 1988 race, it will be interesting to see if some hold Paul to the same standard.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/31/us/politics/senator-rand-paul-is-accused-of-plagiarizing-his-lines-from-wikipedia.html

[airdvr 210]

Not even close.

The speech — which he delivered Monday at Liberty University in Virginia on behalf of the Republican candidate for governor, Kenneth T. Cuccinelli II — contained this line: “In the not-too-distant future, eugenics is common, and DNA plays a primary role in determining your social class.”

The Wikipedia entry reads: “In ‘the not-too-distant future,’ liberal eugenics is common, and DNA plays the primary role in determining social class.”

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[muff528 3]

jclalor

Plagiarism was enough to force Biden out of the 1988 race, it will be interesting to see if some hold Paul to the same standard.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/31/us/politics/senator-rand-paul-is-accused-of-plagiarizing-his-lines-from-wikipedia.html

"Accusations of plagiarism are perennial in politics. Joseph R. Biden Jr., then a senator, ended his 1988 run for the presidency after he was accused of taking words from a speech by the British Labour Party leader, Neil Kinnock, without attribution and of plagiarizing an article while he was in law school.

And in 2008, Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign accused Barack Obama, then a senator, of using language in his speeches that echoed Gov. Deval Patrick of Massachusetts." ~Jeremy W. Peters, NY Times, 30 Oct. 2013

It seems that "hold(ing) Paul to the same standard" (~jclalor, dropzone dot com, 31 Oct. 2013) as Biden or Obama would be to elevate him to Vice President ...or even President.

[davjohns 1]

In a written document that is supposed to be original work where not attributed to another, I see the case.

Quoting someone else in a speech because you agree with what they said and can't say it better...especially for a politician...

Much ado about nothing...no matter who did it.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[jclalor 12]

airdvr

Not even close.

The speech — which he delivered Monday at Liberty University in Virginia on behalf of the Republican candidate for governor, Kenneth T. Cuccinelli II — contained this line: “In the not-too-distant future, eugenics is common, and DNA plays a primary role in determining your social class.”

The Wikipedia entry reads: “In ‘the not-too-distant future,’ liberal eugenics is common, and DNA plays the primary role in determining social class.”

Perhaps... If it were only that one sentence, but there was a lot more lifted from the Wiki description of the movie. There was also his discription of the movie "Stand and Deliver" that was lifted from Wiki word for word. All of the above read from a TelePrompTer.

You're going to be hearing more about this.

[davjohns 1]

I'm not sure I understand why. Politicians have people write their stuff. They just deliver it. Technically, isn't that plaigarism? Do you think any of the Presidents in the past 40 years wrote the things they said or cited their writers as a source?

OK...this guy should own up after the fact...maybe he should even mention the original source during the speech. Not exactly a character flaw if he doesn't attribute it during the speech. If he / she denies it after the fact, I think we can attribute that to him / her as a character flaw.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[muff528 3]

jclalor

......

You're going to be hearing more about this.

Of course we are. Major distractions are needed right about now. "They" will take them wherever they can get them.

(Oh! Look! ...a unicorn!)

[wmw999 2,600]

I agree with this. People echo things they heard all the time; after you say something enough times, you might even not remember well enough where it actually came from (where did I first hear "yeppir?")

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[regulator 0]

Do you seriously want to get into a discussion about the use and ABuse of the teleprompter?

[jclalor 12]

wmw999

I agree with this. People echo things they heard all the time; after you say something enough times, you might even not remember well enough where it actually came from (where did I first hear "yeppir?")

Wendy P.

I can't say I would be too happy knowing a senator has to turn to Wikipedia for his information. At the very least he should be honest and admit a mistake has been made.

What Paul did is a far cry from echoing things you have heard to using the word for word writing from an article inWiki.

[davjohns 1]

I read the article. It doesn't say he denied it. It says he said they were making a mountain out of a molehill. (agreed) It also said the quote came in specific reference to the movie that was being described in the wiki article. That doesn't even sound like he was claiming it as his own.

What I do find interesting is that someone heard him say it, recognized it, researched it, reported it, it was made into an article, it was commented on here. Sounds to me like someone really doesn't like him. I don't know much about him, but I think he got it right. A mountain straining to give birth to a molehill.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[jclalor 12]

No, using a speech writer is not technically plagiarism if the speech writer is credited for writing the speech.

[regulator 0]

Your attempt to insinuate rand paul is a plagiarist and obama isnt is going down in flames. You should bail out now while you still can.

[turtlespeed 226]

regulator

Your attempt to insinuate rand paul is a plagiarist and obama isnt is going down in flames. You should bail out now while you still can.

I can't remember Obama giving credit to ANYONE for his speeches.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[lawrocket 3]

It's well known that John Favreau is the President's speechwriter.

I do find it funny, though. The ACA is popularly known as "Obamacare." Even though he didn't write it. People are more than willing to refer to "Bush Tax Cuts" even though they were passed by Congress. That kind of thing.

This is a tempest in a teapot.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[turtlespeed 226]

jclalor

Plagiarism was enough to force Biden out of the 1988 race, it will be interesting to see if some hold Paul to the same standard.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/31/us/politics/senator-rand-paul-is-accused-of-plagiarizing-his-lines-from-wikipedia.html

Why are you being dishonest about Rand Paul denying? Nowhere in the article did the author say anything about him denying.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rhaig 0]

jclalor

I can't say I would be too happy knowing a senator has to turn to Wikipedia for his information.

For something as earth shattering and vitally important as a description of a movie plot. Yes, more time and money should have been spent on the research.


Really? Is your case THAT thin?

--
Rob

[Andy9o8 3]

On a scale of 1 to 10, this rates a "meh". Plagiarism is a high-brow charge, but Rand's selling his soap flakes to a low-brow audience. There simply aren't enough swingable voters who'll give a shit about this to blip the radar in any meaningful way.

[turtlespeed 226]

Andy9o8

On a scale of 1 to 10, this rates a "meh". Plagiarism is a high-brow charge, but Rand's selling his soap flakes to a low-brow audience. There simply aren't enough swingable voters who'll give a shit about this to blip the radar in any meaningful way.

Awwe . . . don't burst the bubble of all those extremist lefties out there.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[jclalor 12]

Probably true, but his belief that the owner of a restaurant should be able to refuse service based upon the color of their skin, may be a minor issue in his campaign.

[Andy9o8 3]

If it helps, let me offer this: Rand Paul is truly a very weird guy. Seriously, he's odd. This isn't like the old days when personality oddballs like Nixon could keep that under the radar indefinitely. If Rand goes national, he'll creep out enough people that he'll eventually self-destruct.

[regulator 0]

So you are not only saying that rand paul is weird but Ron Paul is as well. Because, well thats his father. I always thought ron paul had good ideas but because he's libertarian he didn't have the best backing to get him into a position of power.

[wmw999 2,600]

No, Ron Paul was a libertarian, but he never got good backing because he really wasn't a politician; the art of the deal was something kind of smelly to him.

He wanted to serve; he did (at least early on -- I don't know about later) go out and meet constituents, talk to them, and let them know what he was about. He was dead honest about who and what he was.

But someone who, in a large deliberative body, doesn't think he should compromise, is not going to get very far. Because it just doesn't happen that everyone recognizes the rightness of your way when theirs is different. You have to talk them into it, slide them into it, plan it, etc.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Andy9o8 3]

regulator

So you are not only saying that rand paul is weird but Ron Paul is as well.

Yeah, I really am saying that, too. Ron's nice, but he's an odd little duck; and like father like son. So... yes.

[regulator 0]

The paul's reside in my home town.

Not that it has any bearing on what I think of him politically. Besides he never invited me over.

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