kallend 2,123 #1 October 16, 2013 It looks as though the adults in the Senate have finally decided that enough is enough. So what will the GOP have achieved as a result of its right wing's tantrum in the House?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #2 October 16, 2013 kallend It looks as thought the adults in the Senate have finally decided that enough is enough. So what will the GOP have achieved as a result of its right wing's tantrum in the House? The usual suspects will be here soon to proclaim a mighty victory for the tea baggers and a resounding defeat for the President. They may be just a bit vague on the specifics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 October 16, 2013 The GOP has done a great job of demonstrating utter incompetence. Every now and then, the GOP needs to remind people of it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #4 October 16, 2013 They've shown that there are idiots on both sides of the aisle.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #5 October 16, 2013 Halved their approval rating?Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bignugget 0 #6 October 16, 2013 kallend It looks as though the adults in the Senate have finally decided that enough is enough. So what will the GOP have achieved as a result of its right wing's tantrum in the House? " the White House supports a provision in the deal that strengthens verification measures for people getting subsidies under Obamacare, spokesman Jay Carney said.' They got a provision in there making you show the boil on your ass instead of just telling the doctor you had it....or something like that. Success! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #7 October 16, 2013 Anyone want to bet we'll be exactly back here on the 5th Feb? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #8 October 16, 2013 Quote So what will the GOP have achieved as a result of its right wing's tantrum in the House? They gave you a chance to feel good about your positions....that in itself has GOT to be good for something.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 October 16, 2013 kallendSo what will the GOP have achieved as a result of its right wing's tantrum in the House? No one can tell the future, but if history is an indicator, they've probably handed the House back to the Democrats in the November 2014 elections. Radical splinter groups like the Tea Party do nothing positive in the long term. They can whine and moan, but unless they actually have the full majority of their party behind them, which in this case they never actually did, they only hurt the overall efforts of not just their own party, but everyone in the country and possibly even more far reaching as well. If the Republicans want to control things, they have to come back to the center and reject the nutballs. Edited to add: "I say it here. It comes out there." -- Aaron Altman, "Broadcast News" http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/16/time-to-throw-my-bum-out-of-congress/?hpt=hp_c2quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #10 October 16, 2013 quade***So what will the GOP have achieved as a result of its right wing's tantrum in the House? No one can tell the future, but if history is an indicator, they've probably handed the House back to the Democrats in the November 2014 elections. Radical splinter groups like the Tea Party do nothing positive in the long term. They can whine and moan, but unless they actually have the full majority of their party behind them, which in this case they never actually did, they only hurt the overall efforts of not just their own party, but everyone in the country and possibly even more far reaching as well. If the Republicans want to control things, they have to come back to the center and reject the nutballs. ^^This^^ . I really think the group of tea party reps that basically took hold and stomped all over the republican majority in this whole thing are really going to end up hurting the party. As an independent voter, who is looking for anything to win me over to any side, I have a bad taste in my mouth after seeing this shit show from them. I really hope this will motivate the rest of the republicans who are more moderate to stand up and not be stomped all over after this. I don't always think its the best idea to have one party running the show (white house, and both houses of congress), so I would like to see republicans try to rebuild a little and get more votes back their way. Hopefully things will be less divided in that situation as well.... everything is so polarized now adays!Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 October 16, 2013 IagoVote LIBERTARIAN in 2016! All they need is 4% of the popular vote in the next presidential election and they will be ON THE BOARD! Since the Repubs pretty much royally screwed themselves already, why not swing over to the party that wants to quietly take over the world and LEAVE YOU ALONE! To what end? Seriously. Assume a miracle happened and the next House was 48% D, 48% R and 4% L. So what? Sure, they the individual representatives would have a large amount of power as swing voters, but do you think for even a second they could do anything without the majority of either Ds or Rs to go along with them? Nope. What they'd be is de facto Ds or Rs regardless of the L. This is precisely the case with the Ts, which is how this recent nonsense just happened. If you really wanted to shake things up, you'd have to capture at least 34% and that's simply never going to happen. All multi-party systems eventually trend toward two-party systems. That's just the "game" you end up with.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #12 October 16, 2013 They have convinced me that it's time for me to start voting Libertarian instead of Republican. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #13 October 16, 2013 lawrocketThe GOP has done a great job of demonstrating utter incompetence. Every now and then, the GOP needs to remind people of it. "The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 October 16, 2013 IagoSo vote LIBERTARIAN and put another dog in the race! 2016: Qualification with 5% of the vote 2020: Major impact on election results 2024: Contender for the White House! So says every 3rd party that has ever tried. Please show me the results of such efforts.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #15 October 16, 2013 >If the Republicans want to control things, they have to come back to the center >and reject the nutballs. Agreed. There are two potential outcomes. One, the GOP continues to enable the worst of the Tea Party's nuttiness. They are stained by association and lose moderates. They are left with the 35ish percent of people who will vote along party lines every time. Two, the GOP takes a stand against the Tea Party. The Tea Party then retains their current fraction of voter support, and the GOP picks up a lot of moderates. Would that be enough to get them back in the game? Maybe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #16 October 16, 2013 >So says every 3rd party that has ever tried. Please show me the results of such efforts. The Republican Party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #17 October 17, 2013 Iago So vote LIBERTARIAN and put another dog in the race! 2016: Qualification with 5% of the vote 2020: Major impact on election results 2024: Contender for the White House! I have voted for libertarian candidates in the past both for national office and for down-ballot elections. The day a libertarian accepts public campaign financing is the day I will no longer vote for them."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #18 October 17, 2013 Southern_Man *** So vote LIBERTARIAN and put another dog in the race! 2016: Qualification with 5% of the vote 2020: Major impact on election results 2024: Contender for the White House! I have voted for libertarian candidates in the past both for national office and for down-ballot elections. The day a libertarian accepts public campaign financing is the day I will no longer vote for them. So your guy never wins. Gotcha.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #19 October 17, 2013 >Assume a miracle happened and the next House was 48% D, 48% R and 4% L. So what? Both parties would try to adopt a few libertarian principles to get that 4% and win the next time. Which is also good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #20 October 17, 2013 turtlespeed ****** So vote LIBERTARIAN and put another dog in the race! 2016: Qualification with 5% of the vote 2020: Major impact on election results 2024: Contender for the White House! I have voted for libertarian candidates in the past both for national office and for down-ballot elections. The day a libertarian accepts public campaign financing is the day I will no longer vote for them. So your guy never wins. Gotcha.I've voted for all sorts of people including major party candidates, libertarian candidates, other third party candidates and independents. Some of them have won. Some of them haven't. I have always voted for somebody I believed in. If I couldn't find somebody to believe in for a certain race I left it blank. I have never wasted a vote in my life."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #21 October 17, 2013 >That gives neither party a majority vote in either house.. That is a major disruption. That's a good thing. Government can't get anything done unless everyone agrees (which is rare.) Isn't that the libertarian ideal? >Id be scared shitless of the other 42% showing up to the bar fight. If I were a libertarian, I'd be more scared of the 96% of voters in your example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #22 October 17, 2013 >And why is that Bill? Please explain why the other 42% are to be feared. What >characteristics make them shitty voters ti have as your supporters? Grave me with >the gift if your wisdom. I shall grant you the boon you request! You made the comment on the 42%. I don't think they "are to be feared." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #23 October 17, 2013 The entire 96% of people who didn't vote for Libertarians? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #24 October 17, 2013 I have something I'd like you to watch. It's actually talking about the UK, but it applies to the US just as well as any other representative democracy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyoquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #25 October 17, 2013 quadeI have something I'd like you to watch. It's actually talking about the UK, but it applies to the US just as well as any other representative democracy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo Then follow it up with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAgE1CUch3Q only by changing the system is there ever a chance of significantly changing the parties. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
