Will there be a second civil war in the USA?

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There's NOTHING Civil about war

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RonD1120

I mostly remember Kerry as a traitor, along with Jane Fonda, lying before Congress.

I'm fairly certain this is what would be called a false memory. I am almost 100% certain you never saw Kerry "lying before Congress" before his run for President and the only way you ever saw him testify in front of Congress was footage dug up and used in commercials by the "Swift Boat Veterans" PAC made up of people who never severed with the man.

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[RonD1120 62]

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***I mostly remember Kerry as a traitor, along with Jane Fonda, lying before Congress.

I'm fairly certain this is what would be called a false memory. I am almost 100% certain you never saw Kerry "lying before Congress" before his run for President and the only way you ever saw him testify in front of Congress was footage dug up and used in commercials by the "Swift Boat Veterans" PAC made up of people who never severed with the man.

I am 71YO. I remember Kerry.

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RonD1120

******I mostly remember Kerry as a traitor, along with Jane Fonda, lying before Congress.

I'm fairly certain this is what would be called a false memory. I am almost 100% certain you never saw Kerry "lying before Congress" before his run for President and the only way you ever saw him testify in front of Congress was footage dug up and used in commercials by the "Swift Boat Veterans" PAC made up of people who never severed with the man.

I am 71YO. I remember Kerry.

From what? Certainly you didn't serve with him. It is almost 100% certain you never saw his testimony before it was brought up in edited-out-of-context commercials against him.

How is it possible you "remember Kerry"?

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[RonD1120 62]

quade

*********I mostly remember Kerry as a traitor, along with Jane Fonda, lying before Congress.

I'm fairly certain this is what would be called a false memory. I am almost 100% certain you never saw Kerry "lying before Congress" before his run for President and the only way you ever saw him testify in front of Congress was footage dug up and used in commercials by the "Swift Boat Veterans" PAC made up of people who never severed with the man.

I am 71YO. I remember Kerry.

From what? Certainly you didn't serve with him. It is almost 100% certain you never saw his testimony before it was brought up in out of context commercials against him.

How is it possible you "remember Kerry"?

I was in grad school in 1971 and I watched the news. Plus it was common talk on campus and at the DZ. In those days Z-hills was a place for active duty, returning combat vets, special operations jumpers and recently discharged vets.

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[wmw999 2,588]

Remember Kerry was a member of VVAW, and testified in those days, too.

I have a feeling that Ron disagrees with anti-war protesters.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Again, I can say with nearly 100% certainty you did not see it no matter how much you believe you "watched the news."

I suggest you examine your memories for other potential falsehoods.

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wmw999

I have a feeling that Ron disagrees with anti-war protesters.

Be that as it may, disagreeing with a concept people have is something completely different than what he has claimed. You'll notice he said he "remembered" Kerry, but when pressed could not name a single specific incident. If he actually remembered, I'm fairly certain he'd be able to name one.

Of course, now he's going to attempt to save face by looking up appearances Kerry made and stating specifics, but anyone with Google could do that.

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wmw999

Remember Kerry was a member of VVAW, and testified in those days, too.

I have a feeling that Ron disagrees with anti-war protesters.

Wendy P.

Fargin hippies. I hung out with the AD and combat vets.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Again, I can say with nearly 100% certainty you did not see it no matter how much you believe you "watched the news."

I suggest you examine your memories for other potential falsehoods.

You are wrong, that is all there is to it.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Yep, wall street stifles free enterprise. They don't want small business competitors. They want everyone slogging at the corporation working in cubes or as greeters at the door. Let face it: once supply of goods is consolidated via the stock public firms, there's little hope for any supply via the mom and pop, and mom and pop were responsible for much employment.

Goodbye free enterprise, enslaved by wall street operatives.

Even crop seeds are under attack to be taken for corporate greed to control food production. Soon, the small farmer won't be allowed to use his one seed, but must buy from the corp.

11 million illegal immigrants were referred to as potential "customers" in the WP today for the prison industry, owned by stock firms, looking to make a profit on incarcerating people for no good reason. The more cells they fill the more money they get from the Federal Gov't and the more profit they make and the more stock they can sell. SCAM.

The wall street corporation systems is failing America evidenced by: law makers owned by corporate lobbies.

So you want to stifle free enterprise in one part of the economy, yet encourage it another. Lets face it, you basically want socialist wealth redistribution.

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ibx

I agree with you that corporations use their power(money) for their own purposes. It is wrong however that GE paid no taxes http://www.factcheck.org/2012/04/warren-ge-pays-no-taxes/

Dude, did you read your own article?

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GE chief spokesman Gary Sheffer told Pro Publica: “We expect to have a small U.S. income tax liability for 2010.” How much? The company wouldn’t say.

Andrew Williams, a spokesman for GE, told us via email that “there is a lot of misinformation out there about what we pay in taxes, but at the most basic level: we pay taxes and we did not get a refund.”

According to Williams, GE paid $1 billion in federal, state and local taxes in the U.S. for 2010. He declined to say how much of that was for federal income taxes, except to say that some of it was.

That, my friend, is what they call "Spin".

ibx

More fairness in this aspect is definitely needed though. One needs to control lobbying and the influence of money on politics. i.e. Restricting capitalism.

Further, how do you think the little man is going to compete with a company like GE? Or any industry that requires millions of $ in investment and R+D?
Large companies are needed for our comfortable affordable lifestyle.
Don't forget they are the job creators... One reason for the large subsidies.

Corporations will always exploit their power in order to achieve an advantage. Legislature has to passed to contain that power... which is according to the definition of a lot of people on this forum socialism...

This is where you split from myself and the Chamber of Commerce. Small businesses are the largest creators of jobs in America, and when they are thriving, create a very robust middle class in the private sector.

For those that have forgotten, the private sector is where you want the middle class.

Also, American inventors can produce their own goods and make a ton of money while employing fellow Americans, but with current taxes and regulations, it's not worth it. Might as well sell the patten to a "GE" take a smaller share of the profits, and let the rich get richer. Why jump through the hurdles of a stacked deck to try to compete?

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No unless things get way worst.

People are fat lazy and bitch a lot, but keep in mind there bitching when there sitting there fat lazy ass home on there computer, drinking a beer.

Until people are actually feeling strain there will not be any movement just talk.

I think that's a good thing by the way.

This. And I hope it stays that way, because a civil war really is an awful thing.

Of course, if a bunch of people were to gather in a single state and decide to secede, I'd say let them go, too.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,118]

>Again, I can say with nearly 100% certainty you did not see it

But he believes he did - which is what's important to him.

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billvon

>To break the rule of the corporations, you remove the rules and regulations that are
>designed to give them an advantage and not let the little man break through.

Right. Standard Oil was a great example of how fewer regulations let the little man "break through." And the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory - a good example of how all those pesky regulations just hurt the little man. And of course Enron was a great example of how less oversight makes corporations honest and transparent.

When you just spit out failed companies as talking point it sure does make it sound like you know what your talking about...

While your at it, might as well spit out the "Republicans want dirty air and dirty water" line along with the "have a cup of frack-water?" also...

But of course, I don't want dirty air and dirty water, and I don't want to "Deregulate" in the manner of the above companies. Lets just take Enron for example:

I agree, utilities should have never been deregulated. Why? Because while the end product was a "Free market", the intake of energy was still "regulated." That caused brokers to buy, hord, and resell energy, driving up prices and causing energy shortages. It's a perfect example of how to fuck things up.

As for the other companies, well, got anything else relevant to this century?

Like I said, when the companies them selves are lobbying for the "regulations" or to "deregulate" something, it's not usually to level the playing field, it's more likely to help them cement their monopoly.

See also, New York Taxi regulations...

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RonD1120

***Remember Kerry was a member of VVAW, and testified in those days, too.

I have a feeling that Ron disagrees with anti-war protesters.

Wendy P.

Fargin hippies. I hung out with the AD and combat vets.

Hey that's great. Of course, Kerry actually was a combat vet.

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>While your at it, might as well spit out the "Republicans want dirty air and dirty water"
>line along with the "have a cup of frack-water?"

Why? Are you one of those people who has to pigeonhole everyone into one of two categories? I know plenty of republicans who don't want dirty air or water, and it would be as silly to drink fracking fluid as it would be to drink cooling water discharge from a nuclear power plant. (More silly, actually.)

>I agree, utilities should have never been deregulated. Why? Because while the end
>product was a "Free market", the intake of energy was still "regulated."

Disagree there. The primary constraint is not the intake of energy - the primary constraint is that utilities have a monopoly on power poles. Another utility cannot come along and put up their own poles. And thus there is an inherent monopoly with any utility.

You can still run them as a free market - but the artificial distortion caused by the above monopoly has to be managed very carefully. When it's not you get Enron.

And keep in mind that for the most part Enron was simply trying to make money like every company does. They will do whatever they have to to make money, including things like polluting water and air, nailing fire doors shut so employees can't take breaks and buying up railroads and then banning competitors from using them.

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Andy9o8

******Remember Kerry was a member of VVAW, and testified in those days, too.

I have a feeling that Ron disagrees with anti-war protesters.

Wendy P.

Fargin hippies. I hung out with the AD and combat vets.

Hey that's great. Of course, Kerry actually was a combat vet.

And in his political zeal he stabbed his fellow combat vets in the back. I have no use for him. But, hey he made it to SoS. To the progressive liberal, the ends justifies the means.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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So you agree that there is a right way and a wrong way to regulate things?

How very republican of you...

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[billvon 3,118]

>So you agree that there is a right way and a wrong way to regulate things?

Absolutely!

>How very republican of you...

Why thank you . . .

[Andy9o8 2]

But enough about your qualifications to shine Kerry's shoes. I'm still eager to see you defend the spoiled cowards Bush Jr. and Quayle.

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Andy9o8

But enough about your qualifications to shine Kerry's shoes. I'm still eager to see you defend the spoiled cowards Bush Jr. and Quayle.

National Guard service, what is there to defend? That was an acceptable route at the time.

BTW, in what branch of the military did you serve and when?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 3,118]

>National Guard service, what is there to defend? That was an acceptable route at the time.

Nothing wrong with that. In fact that's much more honorable than serving on the front lines in Vietnam and getting wounded in the course of protecting your men.

Of course, both of those pale in comparison to the even braver people who run away choose a new place to make their stand.

[Andy9o8 2]

I'm living among society and am fully engaged. As opposed to certain others, who are hunkered in their imaginary Ruby Ridge.

That being said, in all fairness, at age 71 you certainly have the right to retire to whatever peace & quiet you choose.

Kerry turns 70 in 2 months. He's spending his 7th decade his way, as you are spending yours your way.

[RonD1120 62]

You did not answer my question regarding your military service.

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