Constitutional aspects of a closed US government

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If the government is closed, does that mean we have no government? What are the Constitutional provisions that allow for a closed, shut down, government. If the current government is closed, non functioning, does that mean WE THE PEOPLE, can form an entirely new government.

Inquiring minds wanted to know....what WE THE PEOPLE options might be faced with a non functioning government.

Starting a new party might work... as both parties don't seem to be working for us.

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OHCHUTE

If the government is closed, does that mean we have no government? What are the Constitutional provisions that allow for a closed, shut down, government. If the current government is closed, non functioning, does that mean WE THE PEOPLE, can form an entirely new government.

Inquiring minds wanted to know....what WE THE PEOPLE options might be faced with a non functioning government.

Starting a new party might work... as both parties don't seem to be working for us.

Perhaps the UN can provide an interim government?
Is that what you want?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[normiss 897]

OK, you guys start the rioting and protesting in Egyptian fashion and the rest of us will call the news agencies.
Let us know if you need any additional help.

[turtlespeed 226]

Ironically, it is Democrat Jimmy Carter that appointed the chief justice that made the shutdown, as we know it today, possible.

Thanks Jimmy.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,119]

>If the government is closed, does that mean we have no government?

No.

>What are the Constitutional provisions that allow for a closed, shut down,
>government.

There are none. It is a consequence of refusing to fund it, not a statement that the government is no more.

>If the current government is closed, non functioning, does that mean WE THE
>PEOPLE, can form an entirely new government.

No.

>Starting a new party might work... as both parties don't seem to be working for us.

Sure, go for it. I'd support it.

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billvon

>If the government is closed, does that mean we have no government?

No.

>What are the Constitutional provisions that allow for a closed, shut down,
>government.

There are none. It is a consequence of refusing to fund it, not a statement that the government is no more.

>If the current government is closed, non functioning, does that mean WE THE
>PEOPLE, can form an entirely new government.

No.

>Starting a new party might work... as both parties don't seem to be working for us.

Sure, go for it. I'd support it.

Some little part of me is telling me that it really REALLY doubts that you would support any political party that OHCHUTE started.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[BIGUN 1,486]

You ever wonder if someone in Washington thinks. "OH SHIT, the PEOPLE may realize we don't need this much government!!!"

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

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billvon

>If the government is closed, does that mean we have no government?

No.

>What are the Constitutional provisions that allow for a closed, shut down,
>government.

There are none. It is a consequence of refusing to fund it, not a statement that the government is no more.

>If the current government is closed, non functioning, does that mean WE THE
>PEOPLE, can form an entirely new government.

No.

>Starting a new party might work... as both parties don't seem to be working for us.

Sure, go for it. I'd support it.

If the government is closed, it is impossible to petition the gov't for being closed, as in the instance that the sidewalk to the MKL statue is closed. Hence, your first Amendment rights are blocked. You are unable to petition, unless of course if the gov't is opened enough to accept the petition.
Your freedom is blocked, by a closed government.

Try: Middle class party comprised of most Americans who want responsible government without having to fund the rich and poor excesses. And end to corporate public stock firm influence. Single term Congresspeople.

There is no suggestion of an armed rebellion, only legal recourse against an entity that is closed. Closed is closed.

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BIGUN

You ever wonder if someone in Washington thinks. "OH SHIT, the PEOPLE may realize we don't need this much government!!!"

Eventually they will, I pray.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

Ironically, it is Democrat Jimmy Carter that appointed the chief justice that made the shutdown, as we know it today, possible.

Thanks Jimmy.

Carter never appointed any Supreme Court justices.

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OHCHUTE

There is no suggestion of an armed rebellion,

but there should be, i sure would be one of the first in line for that.

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Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes

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Andy9o8

***Ironically, it is Democrat Jimmy Carter that appointed the chief justice that made the shutdown, as we know it today, possible.

Thanks Jimmy.

Carter never appointed any Supreme Court justices.

You are correct . . . [rl http://www.npr.org/2013/09/30/227292952/a-short-history-of-government-shutdowns]I saw this and misread - Benjamin Civiletti was attny gen. . . .[/url]

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With President Jimmy Carter watching, Benjamin Civiletti is sworn in by Chief Justice Warren Burger as U.S. attorney general on Aug. 16, 1979. The following year, Civiletti issued a legal opinion saying that federal work cannot go on until Congress agrees to pay for it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,119]

>If the government is closed, it is impossible to petition the gov't for being closed . . .

Uh, no. The government is still open - you may have seen them on TV blaming each other for everything. You may also have noticed the protests across the country by employees who have been furloughed. They seem to be petitioning the government just fine.

>Your freedom is blocked, by a closed government.

That's like saying you should be free to drive on Sundays without a license, registration or insurance because the DMV is closed.

>Middle class party comprised of most Americans who want responsible government
>without having to fund the rich and poor excesses. And end to corporate public stock
>firm influence. Single term Congresspeople.

Sure, start it up! No one will stop you.

>There is no suggestion of an armed rebellion, only legal recourse against an entity that
>is closed. Closed is closed.

Right. And the government itself is not closed.

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Andy9o8

***Ironically, it is Democrat Jimmy Carter that appointed the chief justice that made the shutdown, as we know it today, possible.

Thanks Jimmy.

Carter never appointed any Supreme Court justices.

Are you bothering Turtlespeed with mere FACTS?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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billvon

>If the government is closed, it is impossible to petition the gov't for being closed . . .

Uh, no. The government is still open - you may have seen them on TV blaming each other for everything. You may also have noticed the protests across the country by employees who have been furloughed. They seem to be petitioning the government just fine.

>Your freedom is blocked, by a closed government.

That's like saying you should be free to drive on Sundays without a license, registration or insurance because the DMV is closed.

>Middle class party comprised of most Americans who want responsible government
>without having to fund the rich and poor excesses. And end to corporate public stock
>firm influence. Single term Congresspeople.

Sure, start it up! No one will stop you.

>There is no suggestion of an armed rebellion, only legal recourse against an entity that
>is closed. Closed is closed.

Right. And the government itself is not closed.

So you are saying the gov't is open? How could it be open if it is closed? There's actually been a silent coup. They're not on the job yet arranging to be paid for not working.
If they are not working, it's closed. Much like if McDonald's is closed you can't get a hamburger.

What is the solution: start a new government that is open.

We need a press conference to start a new interim government.


Also, how long are you going to let to go on? With divisions so divided they could carry this on till the Presidential election.

[billvon 3,119]

>So you are saying the gov't is open? How could it be open if it is closed?

Because it's not closed. People who are not immediately essential have been sent home to save money - but the rest are there keeping the basics of the government working. If we get invaded the military will still respond. Legislators are still showing up to work. Air traffic control is still operating. Weather reports are still being written.

>If they are not working, it's closed. Much like if McDonald's is closed you can't get a
>hamburger.

No, McDonald's is still open, but there's only one person working the counter, the drive-through window is closed and they're out of shakes. Are they open or closed in that case?

>We need a press conference to start a new interim government.

Go for it!

>Also, how long are you going to let to go on?

They don't seem to listen to my opinions on the matter . . .